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manitoba1073 · Aug 06, 2007, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

But trading for items is still dictated by what items are being circulated based on popularity. Try hunting for items that are made for your class, but do not exist in your game, AND at the same time, is not a high demand item that circulates the market.

The inscription system is a superior item system and should be available to all players. Simple as that. It benefits all players.

However, on topic with comparison to pvp, reaching HoH is through your own efforts and fruition (with a sprinkle of luck of course).

But it is not hampered with the fact that YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER GAME TO GET INTO HOH.

If you notice, im not talking about RARE items, Vanity items, or even converting old weapons into inscribables.

I want access to collectors and weapon crafters who make inscribable weapons for all chapters. You know those vanilla skin weapons that is intended for the casual gamer, those should be inscribable because its a better system.

First off as I said you can go to a town and buy 1, no need to buy another chapter for 1. Or if they are really desperate in need like you are saying ask a friend. Maybe better for you but not everyone. So its not as simple as you are trying to make it seem. And if you still think its better than heres this. Tell me what colletors you want inscriptiable Ill get it and well do a 1 on 1 match your so called better weapon(no skills) vs just my chars skills. ITS not the damn weapon. Someone whos been around long enough LIKE YOU should know that by now. But since you are so hung up on inscriptables hows this then. Make ONLY collectors inscriptable in all chapters.

Shuuda · Aug 06, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

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2. The best things are not handed out to those who farm. Farming is a completely rubbish way of making gold. Anet nerf and nerf farming to prevent bots.

Well, there are still lots of people who waste all their time farming, and they are still getting FoW, and buying good weapons, not to mention botters. People with halve a brain would realise that power trading works better. And of course, not everyone sees thing like loot scalling as a nerf, that's only a matter of opinion.

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And on that bombshell (Jeremy Clarkson ftw) G'night.

As much as I disagree with you, have a winner sticker for saying that.

haggus71 · Aug 06, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

As far as the weapons mods, I do agree that it shouldn't matter. This rich vs poor crap....you do realize this is a GAME, and that Malice could be living in a trailer park or some hut outside Shanghai farming with the Mo/Me "Q W E R T" for all we know? And the prices on the three games? Yeah, if you bought them when they first came out. I saw a few posts here about either Wally World or Tar-jay selling the set for $60. I know for a fact you can get each copy for $30 at Best Buy. Unless you are a bad money manager, or are twelve, you should be able to afford that.

The game has certain ways they reward those who were there from the beginning. Before you call me that, I have just hit my 6 month mark, so I don't fall there. For those that were, one of the few ways they can show this unique status is through these weapons. It also adds a uniqueness to Tyria, like the Kurzick/Luxon faction skills and the sunspear skills and ranks. Take that away and you start to affect the hardcore base that talks up the game when the temps had their fun and go somewhere else. There will be stuff in GWEN, I am sure, that will be unique to that game.

For me it wouldn't be a money issue(try growing up Tremont Ave in E.Orange, NJ, a few miles from Newark, then talk to me about money issues. Hippie.), because those items are rare enough not to matter in the game economy, like saying a 1920's Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost affects the price of Fords. They are too rare to matter. MAYBE Anet could have rare non-inscription items appear in a few places(other than Urgoz/Deep, for Chrissakes!), for a brief period, making it possible for those in those games to have something unique. Then they could keep the non-inscription items in Tyria while having inscriptions available to the rest. However, unless you are as described above, you still have factions and nightfall. Save your lawn-cutting money or stop the beer bashing for a few weekends and buy them if you want the inscriptions.

Or just wait. Anet is gonna do inscriptions in Tyria, anyway. You don't have to be a genius to see how they operate, as far as those things are concerned.

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Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak

It's not about what you argue, it's how you do it.
Though you say you take it lightly, your tone says otherwise.

QFT. If you weren't taking it seriously, why have I not seen a page in SEVEN without your name on it? Most twice or more? Anyone moderating Ventari's?

doinchi · Aug 06, 2007, 12:42 PM // 12:42

I'd like for the Tyrian Weapons to be inscriptable. It won't make the uninscribable weapons any more common. I see people paying a bit more for 15^50 uninscribable weapons, so the 1337 factor will still remain. There are still extremely rare swords for image conscious players to get and show off, like an Elemental Sword, Runic Blade, etc, etc. The only Gold weapon I have is an IDS btw, so I may not feel the same way as those with 15^50 uninscribable Brute swords, but the way I see it, it does not really disadvantage any players, it only makes it easier for a player who does not want to farm endlessly to get that nice skinned sword he/she's been eying since getting the game.

Jetdoc · Aug 06, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09

Interesting thread.

I personally don't use anything that is inscribable, but I think that is due to my "old school" roots more than any sort of elitism.

I still get a thrill out of finding a gold item in either Prophecies or Factions, for the simple "scratch off lottery ticket" feeling when you identify it.

I'd be disappointed if they started making NEW Prophecies/Factions drops inscribable, but I'd be simply appalled if they took my existing customized uninscribable weapons/shields and made them inscribable.

Why? I've been using most of my customized weapons for over two years now, I like them exactly how they are, and I personally don't see why they would need to be changed.

I think that's the compromise that everyone is seeking. Appeal to the masses by allowing NEW drops to be inscribable, but don't retroactively change the old items to fit the new system. It'll take away that "lottery" feeling, but will appease the old school players like myself, Herb and Malice.

Oofus · Aug 06, 2007, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Try hunting for items that are made for your class, but do not exist in your game, AND at the same time, is not a high demand item that circulates the market.

What class can you possibly make where items for said class do not exist in your game. Think about what you wrote, what you suggest simply is not possible. Tell me what class you can make in a game where the items for that class do not drop. If you can make a dervish then guess what, you own the game that dervish weapons drop in. If you can make an assassin then guess what, you own at least 1 of the games that assassin items drop in. Stop reaching in to the absurd to justify altering existing games.

Coridan · Aug 06, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

I personally only use tyrian style weapons for myself...but will use anything for my heros. blue,purple,green,gold inscribable or not...

But to take away the non inscriptable drops would just about ruin GW for me. I am not a hard core gamer or anything else. I am a bit more than a casual player...as very few casual gamers post on fan sites...but i am in no way elite...or ever wish to be. All weapons that I use are customized...i have very few ELITE items...if any...but all of them are max stats the way i want them...some have high req some have mid and one or two may have low req....but yet i still get a rush everytime a gold drops for me in Tyria or Cantha...as i never know what i may get...but with a NF drop I always know that i can make it perfect if i want.

SO please don't change the system....if anything Anet needs to make some drops in NF without inscriptions....I think there should be a mix....one may drop with an inscription and the next may not....but don't make it all one way or the other... There is very little left in GW that is worth getting excited over...and a req 7/8 gold drop in Factions or Prophecies...is one of the last. Don't take it away.

lyra_song · Aug 06, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Oofus

What class can you possibly make where items for said class do not exist in your game. Think about what you wrote, what you suggest simply is not possible. Tell me what class you can make in a game where the items for that class do not drop. If you can make a dervish then guess what, you own the game that dervish weapons drop in. If you can make an assassin then guess what, you own at least 1 of the games that assassin items drop in. Stop reaching in to the absurd to justify altering existing games.

Ritualist::
Wands with Restoration requirement only exist in Nightfall. the other games use Spawning/Channeling if it has inspiration HCT/HRT

Mesmer:
Wands/Staff with inspiration requirement only exist in Nightfall, the other games use Illusion or Domination if it has inspiration HCT/HRT
same with Fast Casting.

Monk:
Wands/Staff with healing requirements only exist in Nightfall
Wands/Staff with protection requirements only exist in Nightfall
Monk wands/staff require Divine Favor or Smiting in the other games.
Necro:
See Soul Reaping wands/staves

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Originally Posted by manitoba

First off as I said you can go to a town and buy 1, no need to buy another chapter for 1. Or if they are really desperate in need like you are saying ask a friend. Maybe better for you but not everyone. So its not as simple as you are trying to make it seem. And if you still think its better than heres this. Tell me what colletors you want inscriptiable Ill get it and well do a 1 on 1 match your so called better weapon(no skills) vs just my chars skills. ITS not the damn weapon. Someone whos been around long enough LIKE YOU should know that by now. But since you are so hung up on inscriptables hows this then. Make ONLY collectors inscriptable in all chapters.

No, its not as simple as going into town and buying one. Getting a friend is really the only real option.

Better for me? It doesnt really affect me. I have enough weapons, frankly, i dont need anymore, whatever i need, i can get. If i cared only about myself, why would i bother asking for something that would depreciate the good items I have?

Im not advocating for change for me. Im advocating change for the poor casual player stuck with 1 game, who wants a specific damage mod, but cant get it because:
A) any drops he gets are crap, and buying rare weapons is out of the question
B) the collectors/crafters do not exist with those mods he wants
C) the collectors/crafters that do exist collect things that are hard to get thanks to loot scaling.

1 on 1 match? In guild wars? Thats a pointless idea and irrelevant to the argument at hand.

Collectors and Crafters, i would love to see carry inscribable weapons, yes. I wouldnt mind that change at all.

Oofus · Aug 06, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Ritualist::
Wands with Restoration requirement only exist in Nightfall. the other games use Spawning/Channeling if it has inspiration HCT/HRT

Mesmer:
Wands/Staff with inspiration requirement only exist in Nightfall, the other games use Illusion or Domination if it has inspiration HCT/HRT
same with Fast Casting.

Monk:
Wands/Staff with healing requirements only exist in Nightfall
Wands/Staff with protection requirements only exist in Nightfall
Monk wands/staff require Divine Favor or Smiting in the other games.
Necro:
See Soul Reaping wands/staves

I remind you of what you said;

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Try hunting for items that are made for your class, but do not exist in your game, AND at the same time, is not a high demand item that circulates the market.

Restoration, inspiration, healing, etc, are NOT classes, they are attributes.

AND you are wrong on every example you gave anyway. Contrary to you assertions, I can list examples of restoration wands found in Factions, healing wands found in Prophecies, etc, etc, but I don't really feel like doing your homework for you, check Wiki for yourself.

lyra_song · Aug 06, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Oofus

I remind you of what you said;

Restoration, inspiration, healing, etc, are NOT classes, they are attributes.

AND you are wrong on every example you gave anyway. Contrary to you assertions, I can list examples of restoration wands found in Factions, healing wands found in Prophecies, etc, etc, but I don't really feel like doing your homework for you, check Wiki for yourself.

Where did i say attributes were classes? Is your reading comprehension functioning properly?

Oh sorry let me reiterate. ill bolden what i added

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Originally Posted by me

Try hunting for items that are made for your class, but those items do not exist in your game, AND at the same time, is not a high demand item that circulates the market.

Orly?

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Originally Posted by GuildWiki-Factions Weaponsmith page

# Wands are available for all Core and Factions caster profession attributes except for Soul Reaping, Fast Casting, Inspiration Magic, Energy Storage and Restoration Magic. Healing Prayers and Protection Prayers wands are linked to the Divine Favor attribute.
# Staves are available for all Core and Factions caster profession attributes except for Soul Reaping, Fast Casting, Inspiration Magic and Energy Storage. Healing Prayers and Protection Prayers staves are linked to the Divine Favor attribute, Restoration Magic staves are linked to the Spawning Power attribute.
# Focus items are available for all Core and Factions caster profession attributes except for Soul Reaping, Fast Casting and Energy Storage.

Ya...thanks. I did my homework. This knowledge comes from personal experience and frustration of hunting for a specific wand for my Ritualist, only to find out that i need to get it from Nightfall.

You can read this page too: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Restoration_Staff

Oofus · Aug 06, 2007, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Well lets see, and I’ll bolden what you wrote for YOU. You said;

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Try hunting for items that are made for your class, but do not exist in your game

You then attempted to justify that statement by telling us that rit wands don’t drop with restoration reqs in Factions, that healing wands don’t drop in Prophecies/Factions with anything other then div and smite. Those are ATRIBUTES not CLASSES.

Is YOUR reading comprehension off? Do you understand what YOU wrote.

selber · Aug 06, 2007, 04:27 PM // 16:27

1. For consistency, the Prophecies- and Canthastuff should be also incribeable. There is really no logic reason why this should not happen. PvP-players finally have access to every skin and mod in this game for a quite moderate timeinvestment, so PvE-players should have this aswell. It's just fair. I feel sorry for the players who still think GW is the right place for their kind of playing a game, but it is not. Look out for one of those Browser-games, maybe you get happy there. Whatever.

2. Remove every unconditional weaponmods already. I mean, this is not a big deal, but high-end-GvG-games are sometimes very close and - nicely put - it would be ridiculous if it turns out a guild who won prices for 10k in cash won a close finalmatch with warriors who had these mods. I don't care about your lists, because as long as you don't have access to the actual database of GW, it's just speculation. Not everyone who has these weapons cam e to you and asked to get into your stupid list. For a highend-player it would be a very good investment to get one of those 15%-permanent-weapons in order to have an advantage.

Snow Bunny · Aug 06, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Conn

How sad to see people fear the devalue of virtual items. Poor elitists that can't bare the thought of not being elitist anymore if anet make all weapons inscribable.

I've not seen anything in this thread to not implement inscriptions, except 3 desperate people trying to hang onto their elite status. Their answer, get more money. Either by farming or playing the market, both are boring and time consuming. Also that list of unconditionals pretty much consists of people that don't play anymore, they can't complain if they don't play. Having a whole guild walk around in obsidian armor, only shows a guild with bad taste. none of the obsidian armor actually looks good imo.

I've tried to stay out of this thread, but it's the utter selfishness and ignorance found here that has compelled me.

"Poor elitists." Uh huh. Bet you're walking around in your 1.5k droks platemail or whatever. Whenever a couple people defend loot scaling or any other in-game mechanic that perceivably gives more wealthy players an edge, "elitist" just gets thrown around because a. it's convenient b. it's good for stigmatizing other players. I'm sure you've attempted to hate on loot scaling, and defend heroway, too. Get real, stop complaining about the success and fortune of others. Look, if Herb has the means and drive to collect and hoard various expensive weapons then let it be. Stop complaining about "elitism"...these "elitists" started out on the EXACT footing you did.

There's also been no good reason to implement inscriptions on existing tyrian weapons. Why do you want to do that? To devalue weapons further, and make them more difficult to sell, and then you can come to Guru to complain about lootscaling ruining the market???? There's no reason to implement the inscription system, mainly because it gives a deserved value to perfect tyrian weapons.

"Bad taste" Ok.... what a lovely subjective comment that was. Not even a defense of that opinion on aesthetic grounds. The point of Herb's example there was to explain the ease of the acquisition of a million gold; fow is associated with the benchmark "million mark", and the example Herb provided is to simply show how common wealth is in this game.

lyra_song · Aug 06, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Oofus

Well lets see, and I’ll bolden what you wrote for YOU. You said;

You then attempted to justify that statement by telling us that rit wands don’t drop with restoration reqs in Factions, that healing wands don’t drop in Prophecies/Factions with anything other then div and smite. Those are ATRIBUTES not CLASSES.

Is YOUR reading comprehension off? Do you understand what YOU wrote.

I understand what i wrote. You do not. You seem to think im talking about classes.

Do i need to break down my sentence for you?

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Originally Posted by me

Try hunting for items
that are made for your class (referring to those items)
but (change to AND) do not exist in your game (again referring to those items)

I am talking about ITEMS. Weapons/Staves/Wands/Focii.

We are talking about implementing inscriptions into Prophecies and Factions. Which is about those things.

The argument is that Nightfall has better weapon system. Through inscriptions, you have more options.

Factions and Prophecies have such a crappy weapon system that their collectors/weaponsmiths do not even equal in Nightfall's collectors/weaponsmiths.

The evidence of this inequality in weapon quality is proof in the Ritualist. A Ritualist exists in factions. Ritualists can only exist in Nightfall if you have factions. Why is it, in a game where you cannot even make a Ritualist, the weapons are better for the ritualist? Collectors/Craftable/Greens/Inscribable.

Why is it I can make a PvP ritualist with superior equipment that i cannot get in PvE unless i have Nightfall, which is NOT a native place for Ritualists?

TabascoSauce · Aug 06, 2007, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

I've tried to stay out of this thread, but it's the utter selfishness and ignorance found here that has compelled me.

Your heated defense is interesting, specifically because the the virtual nature of Guild Wars wealth and items.

Everything is virtual, and even if everyone got free duplicable FoW and Iridescent Aegis's for every character, the milk will still be in your fridge for tomorrows cereal.

There is nothing wrong with making the game easier, or specifically easier to acquire items. There is nothing wrong with making the game harder, or specifically harder to acquire items. It all comes down to personal preference, and people's wallets opening to buy GW.

ANet has made it clear that they understand that time = money, by PvP packs.

What you are arguing for is obviously defending your own beneficial position in-game. Why let everyone have virtual items, because yours would then not be (as) special?

If you are so invested in this game that you feel a need to defend your position of priviledge, and an accompanying sense of accomplishment - in a virtual game that is not real - than I submit to you that you need to find a different achievement engine to put your time towards, hopefully one that has real-life payoff.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

milias · Aug 06, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

Hi. well recently with the inscritipon on all old armor update, i became scared. i mean, what if anet decides to do this to weapons? i know that some people may want all weapons to be inscriptable but there is also a large number of people who go around collecting specifically tyrian weaponsn becuase they are harder to get a 15>50 version. what would alot of u feel about it?

I doubt that's going to happen. Even if it does, I don't really care. I do have a lot of Tyrian items, though. Can't even give these perfect req. 8 items to guildies, as my guild pretty much dissolved, and I'm the only "active" - and I use that term loosely - player left in the guild.

The Herbalizer · Aug 06, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by selber

1. For consistency, the Prophecies- and Canthastuff should be also incribeable. There is really no logic reason why this should not happen. PvP-players finally have access to every skin and mod in this game for a quite moderate timeinvestment, so PvE-players should have this aswell. It's just fair. I feel sorry for the players who still think GW is the right place for their kind of playing a game, but it is not. Look out for one of those Browser-games, maybe you get happy there. Whatever.

2. Remove every unconditional weaponmods already. I mean, this is not a big deal, but high-end-GvG-games are sometimes very close and - nicely put - it would be ridiculous if it turns out a guild who won prices for 10k in cash won a close finalmatch with warriors who had these mods. I don't care about your lists, because as long as you don't have access to the actual database of GW, it's just speculation. Not everyone who has these weapons cam e to you and asked to get into your stupid list. For a highend-player it would be a very good investment to get one of those 15%-permanent-weapons in order to have an advantage.

Can everyone please drop the whole they are unbalanced argument. I notice you are from Peace and Harmony, if I remember correctly one of your guildies/ex guildies who appears to be clued in on game mechanics said they are less superior to normal weapons... Il Yanman lI I believe his name was.

O and yes, I am sure if they did offer a potential advantage to PVPers they would own them. At high level GVG where big money is involved surely even the slightest advantage would be desirable. If so then why the hell have I personally purchased both of mine off of Idiot Savants [iq] members? Then there are a load they sold to other people which are really nice.

Usually the people with the gold to purchase them power trade and there arnt many power traders who also have the time to trade and do high lvl pvp. Actually I dont know any.

I think some people are slightly paranoid and are using extreme scenarios to justify their argument to remove them.

If I honestly thought they were unbalanced I would use it for PVE and PVP. However, I and many other dont and they are just kept somewhere safe.

Alot of the owners almost exclusively power traded, they really are not going to be used for high level pvp.

The value of ectos has fell thus causing them to be worth in most cases less than what they paid for them. People especially rich people dont really need to sell them, let alone sell them at a loss. I know the last time one came up for sale the bids were a complete joke and it ended up getting customized.

I assure you to put your paranoia to rest, if any 15% or decent ones came up for sale they would almost certainly fall into the hands of power trader, ebayer or maybe farmer.

I have never seen high lvl pvpers scrammbling to purchase previous ones i.e. the r8 15% axe. So I really doubt they will be in the future. And like I have said tons of guilds back when 15% ffs, hod axe, sword etc were around were using these unbalanced weapons. Surely if unconditional weapons were so unbalanced like you claim they would have at least attempted to buy some? Instead I see the oppossite and high lvl (I believe iq have won $$$) guild selling all of theirs. Surely a winning guild would keep them if they were unbalanced? As it would give them an advantage and chance to win more $$$. Now they should know better than most about game mechanics.

O yeah insult my list all you like. It was never intended for this argument. But obviously the insults are justified. It was created to help people who pmed me asking for people who they could potentially buy them off of. It has also allowed people to find unconditional weapons they were unawair of and purchase them or attempt to. I am sure the new owner is grateful for the lists existance and therefore it has fullfilled one of its purposes. Its doubtful there are many more, maybe on active accounts but lets face it, 2 years and hearing nothing of them suggests they arnt coming back so late into guild wars' history. There is a slim slim chance of ones on existing accounts but you would really expect someone to know about it. People dont ask me to appear on it, dont know why you would think that, how bizarre. Its called a community effort. Like minded people all trying to document the ones in existance. The existance of them spreads through word of mouth etc.

You could claim anyone stating there are believe to be around a dozen or so r8 15>50 crystalline swords is wrong. But just like unconditional items anyone in the know and involved in trading since the start of gw is not likely to dispute such estimates. It is considered to be reasonably accurate, sure there are maybe some on inactive accounts but there arnt hundreds.

I would be interested to know how many you think exist? You do know how they were created right? You do know where and how long they were available? So how many you think there are? 100? 200? A rough guess perhaps? I would be most interested.

You come across as aggressive through insulting the list. Why would someone get so worked up? Insults dont win arguments, they only weaken them.

Snow Bunny · Aug 06, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

Your heated defense is interesting, specifically because the the virtual nature of Guild Wars wealth and items.

Everything is virtual, and even if everyone got free duplicable FoW and Iridescent Aegis's for every character, the milk will still be in your fridge for tomorrows cereal.

There is nothing wrong with making the game easier, or specifically easier to acquire items. There is nothing wrong with making the game harder, or specifically harder to acquire items. It all comes down to personal preference, and people's wallets opening to buy GW.

ANet has made it clear that they understand that time = money, by PvP packs.

What you are arguing for is obviously defending your own beneficial position in-game. Why let everyone have virtual items, because yours would then not be (as) special?

If you are so invested in this game that you feel a need to defend your position of priviledge, and an accompanying sense of accomplishment - in a virtual game that is not real - than I submit to you that you need to find a different achievement engine to put your time towards, hopefully one that has real-life payoff.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

My position in game is honestly not that beneficial. I am not invested in this game to the slightest degree that you are speaking of. 1 character in fow, the rest in 15k armor. I have no crystallines, no runic blades, no dwarven axes. So your rather weak point is rendered null.
This thread rides along the same waves as the arguments to destroy loot scaling, ergo, laziness. That's why I argue against it.

Spazzer · Aug 06, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

You know why I customized both of mine? Not to use. In fact I have never used my sword once. It is because owning an expensive weapon is one thing. But owning an expensive weapon and making it worthless and unsellable is another. It takes the weapon out of the economy.

Like I stated before: your boy scout promise to never use them has no effect on the debate. Besides, if you're doing the "civic duty" of customizing them just to take them out of the game, it shouldn't affect you if they are taken out.

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All this talk of how unbalanced they are and how they "break the game". Um if they are so unbalanced and affect PVE and PVP then can you please explain to me why both of my unconditional weapons were purchased from members of Idiot Savants???

I don't understand what you're getting at. Are you suggesting that unconditional weapons can only help you at VOD? That's very silly.

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In fact at least another 3 came from them too, several of which are arguably the best ones in the game. If they really have the ability to give a player an advantage why would they be selling all of theirs?

Because guild wars is dead.

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I got my other PVP friends who come from an assortment of high ranked guilds; iGi, charr etc. who stated if they were to ever own an unconditional weapon it would not be used in PVP as they simply dont cut it. Unbalanced I think not.

"I know pvp people!" lol. I don't care what you say your friends say; I say you're full of doo doo. Unconditional, by definintion, is better than conditional.

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Err, if someone hasnt logged in since basically the very beginning of GW or accessed their guru account chances are they arnt going to come back.

Rarity has nothing to do with balance. You're making me repeat myself.

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Rarity.

See above.

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useless just like unconditional weapons

Incorrect. A 15% always weapon will always be imbalanced.

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I find it almost hilarious the thought of Anet employees sitting down and discussing removing or altering weapons

Because the game is dead. It doesn't hurt to try to get things improved, though. :]

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all this talk and research (checking numbers of them in-game, who owns them, stats etc) is costing Anet $$$.

You're still under the impression that your list is relevant. Rarity has nothing to do with balance.

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I see people saying well I own a few nice weapons and I still support the change of all existing unscibably weapons to inscribably. Well, what if you had say 10 million golds worth of items, or maybe 20 million golds worth? Would your view be the same if they could all be potentially made worthless?

You still don't get it; virtual money is not real money. I really don't care if my "assets" are devalued if I now have the opportunity to have the stats on my favorite items customized the way I want them.

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The rich are always attacked and victimized. I mean in real life you just got to look at people getting great pleasure from the grief which the rich and famous suffer. Jealousy anyone? Heck when people go round breaking badges of Mercedes owned by strangers that just says it all. People dont care that the rich person could be a nice, honest, loving, generous, charitable etc. individual. All thats matters to the haters is that they are richer than them and so deserve grief.

Are you implying that you are rich and being victimized? I'm really not seeing the similarities.

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Anyway, its all good with me if they remove them. Ill simply switch over to WoW

Haven't you done that already?

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...where according to existing players I have managed to accumulate a small fortune by lvl 17.

Yes.

Risa · Aug 06, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

How about you people stop arguing about a few weapons that won't ever see play in PvP and start worrying more about the skill balance that's gonna happen in a few weeks. Because, let's face it, one imbalanced skill does a helluva lot more damage to the PvP world than a weapon that only works its wonders when you go under 50% health. And if you linger under 50% health and your monks aren't healing you back above it, you're dead anyways. And if you don't care about balance in PvP but more about people getting unfair stuff in PvE, you shouldn't be complaining about imba things, anyways. You already got your PvE skills.