Curse

black_mischief · Aug 02, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

Fury CR is managed by 1 former NCSoft Employee and the legendary JR, former GW player. They got Fury into the CPL and it's not even out yet.

Guild Wars has been out for 2 god damn years and there has still been almost 0 3rd party tournaments, and a constantly changing, floundering competitive system.

It's amazing how Guild Wars/Anet can create a gaming category (CORPG) and then watch WoW/Fury/everyone else do things right while this game dies on the vine.

When will someone at this company get a F'ing clue? Lern2bizness.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4637072&EDATE=

Etta · Aug 02, 2007, 10:31 AM // 10:31

So? Why don't you buy ANet out, and take over them if you're so good at bizness?

Psuedo Halgoen · Aug 02, 2007, 10:33 AM // 10:33

Fury has alex too!

EPO Bot · Aug 02, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

So? Another troll tread. Delete and perma ban.

black_mischief · Aug 02, 2007, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Etta

So? Why don't you buy ANet out, and take over them if you're so good at bizness?

ArenaNet is 100% owned by NCSoft in Korea. I've spent quite a bit of time looking at NCSoft. I'm fairly bearish, though I have no current involvement in the company's stock. A friend of mine is betting a small bit against them though.

fenix · Aug 02, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

So? Another troll tread. Delete and perma ban.

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Delete and perma ban you for trolling. Black is simply stating a point, and a valid one at that.

Etta · Aug 02, 2007, 10:56 AM // 10:56

Yes, it's a valid point. Also just like many of sport fans out there, who thinks they can do the job better than the team manager. Take some action, I say. If you think Anet is rubbish, well what're you gonna do about it?

Traveller · Aug 02, 2007, 11:20 AM // 11:20

Who are JR and Fury?

Lonesamurai · Aug 02, 2007, 11:24 AM // 11:24

We may discuss this a little with Martin Kerstein, the Guild wars community Rep for NCSoft on the Ascension show tonight briefly before we start the main discussion about GW2

It is a very good point, although Black didn't bring it across in the best manner possible, but it is still a good point, ANet indeed pushed GW as the competitive PvP gameat first and not doing things like this has, IMO, seriously hurt GW and hurt its potential PvP player base... it was created by the guys that created Starcraft afterall, and surely they understand how they could have had similar following from professional gamers as Starcraft does, but it comes down to a simple and flawed lack of real marketting...

hell, WoW is only as big as it is because of the sledgehammer marketting Blizzard did for it

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Originally Posted by Traveller

Who are JR and Fury?

Fury is the new game coming soon and currently in very open betas from a company called Auran, an australian company... The premise is to make a PvP centred game where all the character developement and the majority of the game is through PvP of some form or another...

JR, or Dan Gray (as he is known by his real name as a Fury Dev) was a very vocal and exception PvP player in Guild wars (and still is, and his monking is top notch in GvG and I've had the pleasure of gvG'ing with him when he has guested for WPS), he was also a big supporter of Gaile as he understood the general pressure she was under and was also known to have sent flowers to Gaile over at ANet for doing great things to help the GW community and he is a great loss to the community and a major gain to the Fury dev team and community.

Alex "GhostRaptor" Weekes was the Guild Wars community rep for NCSoft and was recently replaced by Matrin Kerstein when Alex was offered the job at Auran to help get Fury up and running... Also a very good GW player aswell and has also been very helpful and given me some great ideas for marketing my radio station and I'm hoping a Fury show will be up and going soon that he and JR will be a part of

Matfei · Aug 02, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Here's a great idea. Learn to speak like a normal person. Such ridiculous contractions are utterly pointless and devoid of any decent grammar. Surely you could at least try to make it make some sense, no?

It's not catchy, nor does it reflect any form of personal intelligence.

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Longasc · Aug 02, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

I think NOT being in the CPL aka "Cyberathlete Professional League" could also be intended. It does not ring too appealing to me at least.

The OP has a point, GW was marketed as a Competitive Online Role Playing Game (CORPG), but it went more and more to became a casual players with a tiny base of high level pvp game.

I also think players should stop thinking of Fury as the measure for GW. So far it is quite different kind of game and also rather crappy, despite the good intentions. I hope some of you could try in the test weekend, I did not try on my notebook (only 128 MB graphics card). It was not my kind of game, but I will refrain from commenting more before I have tried it on my own system.

Matfei · Aug 02, 2007, 11:32 AM // 11:32

To the point after my little diatribe...

I don't participate in any tournaments, just casual PvP and the occasional GvG with friends. From what I do gather though, ArenaNet has sort of let their CORPG genre go stale. As for these automated tournaments being naff I would'nt know.

black_mischief · Aug 02, 2007, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by Etta

Yes, it's a valid point. Also just like many of sport fans out there, who thinks they can do the job better than the team manager. Take some action, I say. If you think Anet is rubbish, well what're you gonna do about it?

I don't see how a valid complaint regarding the development of the PvP side of Guild Wars is a condemnation of the entire company and the product. Good companies and good development teams still can fail in certain areas. I made a couple commentary/posts about Anet's CR (one posting in which I received as many as 15 personal replies thanking/commending me for the thoughts).

I also fail to see how my posting and commentary makes me responsible for fixing problems at an organization where I don't even work. It's not my product/service to fix.

If Auran can get a 3rd party league to sponsor a tournament of their product, with relative ease... don't you think a company (NCSoft) that is several multiples bigger than Auran, a million+ players in strength, and over $300 M US dollars in the bank should be capable of accomplishing nearly the same results, if not more?

That doesn't seem like a tall order to me. The issue isn't Fury. It's the failure to develop the competitive game. Perhaps Fury won't be the product to force all current/former Guild Wars PvP players to put the game behind them permanently. But I suspect Warhammer or another game will have the wherewithal to do so.

- black

jackie · Aug 02, 2007, 11:43 AM // 11:43

PAX 10k Tournament & Championships were awesome, but they didn't catch the mainstream audience in my opinion. Getting GW into CPL would be major win.

Etta · Aug 02, 2007, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Relax I'm not flaming you or anything. But since you were the first one to open the can, so I guess you had a big idea or something. I also said that I agree, it's a valid point. Why don't GW hire a better ad-agency or better marketting people, but I dont know nor care much. I'm pretty content about where the game is, if it get too big then it wont be an underdog anymore.

See, if your first post was like your last, then I would say ditto.

ForgeWhelp · Aug 02, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

The less money they spend on advert the more they can pump into the game with free stuff and no monthly fees. If they did massive advert campaigns the money would have to come from somewhere...

Yanman.be · Aug 02, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

JR has to say Aunt to Gaile Gray.

DreamWind · Aug 02, 2007, 12:33 PM // 12:33

I think the entire thing is a bit sad if you ask me. Fury ISN'T EVEN OUT YET, and it already has competitive sponsers. Guild Wars, a game that was once epic in terms of PvP competition has nothing but a monthly AT. The Guild Wars competitive market could have been massive, but it probably won't be now. I think its a pretty telling tale on how Guild Wars was run.

This is only a half shot at Anet though. They went the route of serving casual PvE players who didn't want to pay for WoW after they realized what happened. They definately did not do the steps it takes to make the competitive aspect of the game legendary.

Now the question is whether or not they knew how to do that. A friend recently pointed out to me that Anet is essentially a company of gamers that made a game for the gamers. There doesn't seem to be any business/market gurus in Anet (at least not that I know of...Blizzard has tons). It clearly shows in their inability to make the PvP market in Guild Wars soar.

jackie · Aug 02, 2007, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by ForgeWhelp

The less money they spend on advert the more they can pump into the game with free stuff and no monthly fees. If they did massive advert campaigns the money would have to come from somewhere...

And where would the resources to add free content come from? Less bought accounts less money. Marketing takes lot of money but doing it well will net you all the lost money back with few extra 0000 behind the cheque.

Productivity · Aug 02, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by Etta

Why don't GW hire a better ad-agency or better marketting people,

Because Gaile for some unknown reason, seems to be able to do no wrong within ANet and consequently is never held accountable for her failure to develop the PVP community, something which should be one of her key performance indicators.