Curse

Zorgy · Jun 26, 2007, 05:48 AM // 05:48

Hi all,

I am playing GW since may 2005 & am a Defender of the Luxons, I was happy for the new update which concerns AB untill today....

I play on american servers & this happened on international district.

I have been invited by a group of 3 leechers (a ranger + a warrior + an ele) who leeched all along the battle. The weird thing is that they all have pets which means they collect points. Yup !!!! their pets are "playing" & dying. So as usual (when i am the witness) I advertised against them for a while in the main channel. Some ppl know them already & all confirm what happened to me. They work together & do it on purpose.

How is it possible to win when 3 organised leechers among 12 players (-25% of whole fighting power) are spoiling the game. No way......

At least before the specific update, the losers were earning the DOUBLE amount of pts collected during the battle. This means that I was forgeting the leechers (if any...not always ) & was tryin to do my best to increase the final result.

Now u earn the SAME amount of pts collected during the battle & this is the FIRST TIME that I notice an organised gang of leechers. Usualy they act alone.

To sum up : according to me, the number of LEECHERS is gonna INCREASE more & more. Why? just because now when u lose u get NOTHING ===> fairplay players like me will not try to do THEIR BEST anymore to reduce the defeat. This does not mean that I will leech too

....but I will LEAVE asa I notice more than 2 leechers.

This is sad, I am upset & as I am only 300k away from Champion title i really think that after reachin my GOAL, I will AB the MINIMUM.....only to support my guild/alliance. Or we will make a sync team of 12 mates.

FAIRPLAY........what does it mean? ......sorry I cant remember

I already sent a message to Anet explaining my little story....hope they can do something....

I made a search into the forum & saw few topics about AB leeching & how to exterminate those EVIL players

Do you think Anet will be able to find a solution, a REAL & EFFICIENT one?

Your comments & ideas to solve this PLAGUE will be appreciated.

Have fun.....

Omniclasm · Jun 26, 2007, 05:52 AM // 05:52

While I do hate the AFK'ers myself, how were their pets playing and dying if they were stood in the base?

Zorgy · Jun 26, 2007, 06:02 AM // 06:02

It makes me wonder......but there was 3 pets in the party formation & after dying when I came back to base i could see the life of one decreasing. Very strange isnt it?

Omniclasm · Jun 26, 2007, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Erm, other teams pets show up too, so they could have been on one of the other non-leecher teams.

DvM · Jun 26, 2007, 06:26 AM // 06:26

weird thing is...Anet has so much spare time policing trade-chat...but the ''PvP'' as they called it gets forgotton....

Destinyy · Jun 26, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Simple really DvM, the trade chat was an easy one to clear up. Just stick a warning up, ban a few peeps for spamming and hey, all chat sorted.

Leechers are more complicated. Because the reason for them being AFK cannot be said for sure. It may be an emergency in which case you cannot punish them. Lag can also play a part in this, connection losses, err's.

Not defending them, I personally HATE them with a passion cos they ruin the match for the players who wanna have fun and fight.

Tactical-Dillusions · Jun 26, 2007, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Perhaps ArenaNet could honour their own EULA by BANNING the leechers for ruining the gaming experience of legitimate players. That is after all what is happening!

Does-it-Matter · Jun 26, 2007, 08:36 AM // 08:36

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Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

Perhaps ArenaNet could honour their own EULA by BANNING the leechers for ruining the gaming experience of legitimate players. That is after all what is happening!

AFKing (or leaching) is NOT against the EULA. Otherwise, everyone with the Lucky title via the ticket games during the boardwalks would be violating it.

The only part of AFKing/Leaching that violates the EULA is if they use bots to continuously enter the match.

Doing "nothing" violates no rule.

You CAN use macros to play Guild Wars (ANet endorses the Zboard/Fang after all), you just can't have the game play while you aren't there.

arcanemacabre · Jun 26, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter

AFKing (or leaching) is NOT against the EULA. Otherwise, everyone with the Lucky title via the ticket games during the boardwalks would be violating it.

No. There is specifically a section of the EULA that refers to negatively affecting others' gameplay (like harrassing, etc). Leeching is clearly negatively affecting everyone who wants to play as intended. AFKing in town or on a ring to earn tickets isn't affecting anyone. When you enter a competitive arena over and over again just to AFK while everyone else is trying to win - that negatively affects everyone. That's not just AFKing once or twice because you have to piss, or there's a grease fire in the kitchen - leeching is an obvious repeat and intentional offense.

Nightmare Venom · Jun 26, 2007, 08:54 AM // 08:54

I haven't done as many AB's as I used to when they first introduced it. I would always notice one or two people leeching while everyone else was fighting away. It evens happens in Fort Aspenwood. I remember that one time when I was there, I had about 3 leechers in my team. So I think it's time something was done about the leechers, because they are affecting the game for everyone else. All because they want to get easy faction they decide to leech their way to it

Servant of Kali · Jun 26, 2007, 09:09 AM // 09:09

What exactly prevents ANet from stating on login screen: "AFKing in Missions will be penalized?" ..and then PvP missions have x timer, PvE ones y timer...

ps: explain to me how leeching isnt griefing, i mean, see all these frustrate threads here, or, go to FA and some other game district and watch the frustration and hate people have towards greedy no-lifers without any sense of morality. And how is using macros different than botting? Except more difficult to detect i guess, but essentially it's the same. I have bot who does action, and i have macro which makes me enter the mission all the time while in both cases i do nothing. Same.

Torqual · Jun 26, 2007, 11:35 AM // 11:35

Why is no-one making the link between the wait times to get into AB and the high prevalence of AFK? People have better things to do than watch the 30 second counter tick down 5-15 times to get into a game. It's no surprise that people go AFK and check back every now and then. The problem then gets compounded as a bunch of people then leave in the first 20-30 secs if there are more than a couple of people that haven't left spawn and taken up position - assuming that they are leeching when in fact they are just doing the washing up and will be back in a minute.

How much AFKing is deliberate leeching and how much is extended trips away from the keyboard due to wait times?

Zappa · Jun 26, 2007, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

Perhaps ArenaNet could honour their own EULA by BANNING the leechers for ruining the gaming experience of legitimate players. That is after all what is happening!

I second that.

So what, spammers are the only bad guys around? Makes me sick the amount of people that complained for them to be banned, compared to the amount of people that agree leeching is bad. Maybe some of them do it too?.. Hypocrisy rules... Anyway...
I vote for a permanent ban on them. They just annoy the hell out of me. They completely ruin the Pvp experience for me in any situation.

Ban and batter them with iron bars.

Remember A.Net, without the intention of being rude, you caused this yourself.
Voicing one side on one particular situation (e.g. the ban-spammer supporters), makes you automatically obliged to recognize similar situations, just like the chain that is created when censorship hits TV, for example. When they start censoring one thing, reasons to censor other stuff constantly come up. It is what's happening here now.

Leechers should be banned and this time I fully agree. I wonder what will be next.

Yes, I think that, by your hands, you will never get rid of the "now-it's-my-time-to-be-heard" syndrome.

lyra_song · Jun 26, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

I'm pretty sure Anet is aware of this issue.

Stop with the "Anet ignores (insert your problem here)" bullshit. Its counter-productive.

Leeching is a VERY difficult issue to deal with, especially in the PvE/PvP hybrid game modes of Alliance Battle and Jade Quarry/Aspenwood.

The question is what CAN be done? This should be the discussion. Not blaming Anet. -.-

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One basic idea is to have a way to ban players who go AFK in PvP missions. This is fine and dandy....but its got two huge flaws.

1) Legitimate players AFK as well. Wether it be an emergency, a wireless mouse running out of battery, a bathroom run, the phone, the doorbell, or some other real life situation, REAL NON-LEECHING PLAYERS must sometimes go afk.
2) Leechers dont neccesarily just sit there and AFK. Leech Bots have existed since Prophecies, with Random Arena. They follow a random player, spam skills, and look like a legit part of the team. The fact that some REAL players only use auto-target and dont kite/dodge/get out of AOE/not talk at all, alone makes these bots very similar to bad players. The same botting system can be easily used in AB/Quarry/Aspenwood, rendering this idea useless.

Banning players for anything comes with huge backlash when you get false positives, which are inevitable. Just look at mistaken bans for Bot-farmers.

Would such risk outweigh the benefits? How many players are gonna get banned cause they went to get a drink while the match was loading (i know i do that a lot)?

This isn't as simple an issue as people make it out to be. Spamming is VERY easy to ban for because its very easy to log and report. Leeching is not.

You gonna Fraps every match? What if the player just happened to lag? You know you can make a bot so it so it looks like a player is talking right?

I really wanna hear some GOOD ideas about this. My ideas are not going to be popular, so ill wait to post it.

Destro Maniak · Jun 26, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

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Originally Posted by Destinyy

Simple really DvM, the trade chat was an easy one to clear up. Just stick a warning up, ban a few peeps for spamming and hey, all chat sorted.

Leechers are more complicated. Because the reason for them being AFK cannot be said for sure. It may be an emergency in which case you cannot punish them. Lag can also play a part in this, connection losses, err's.

Not defending them, I personally HATE them with a passion cos they ruin the match for the players who wanna have fun and fight.

if you gotta go itll only take few minutes MAX if they gone phone ot toilet and the would call. If it is somethin gonna take long tou gotta leave. And of curse someone cant get hardware problem 2-3 in a row. I have those such too and I feel the pain.

I FELT IN NEED OF SAYING A NERMAL PLAYER WONT RUN OUT `ALL GAME` TO DRINK/TOILET/HAVE HARDWARE ISSUES. AND IF SOMEONE DOES IT WOULD REPEAT ALL DAY LONG.BOTS COULD BE EASILY CATCH WITH MODS PMING THEM AND ASKING WHATS THIER NAME. OR WHATS YOUR NICK. BOT CANT ANSWER

lacasner · Jun 26, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

If no one makes a kill or contributes to a kill in 1 minute, then that player is logged out and a henchman NPC or hero npc joins. Good?

Vagrant · Jun 26, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torqual

Why is no-one making the link between the wait times to get into AB and the high prevalence of AFK? People have better things to do than watch the 30 second counter tick down 5-15 times to get into a game. It's no surprise that people go AFK and check back every now and then. The problem then gets compounded as a bunch of people then leave in the first 20-30 secs if there are more than a couple of people that haven't left spawn and taken up position - assuming that they are leeching when in fact they are just doing the washing up and will be back in a minute.

How much AFKing is deliberate leeching and how much is extended trips away from the keyboard due to wait times?

You're right. I would say many of the supposed "leechers" went afk because they were waiting, and decided to watch TV or something. Other "leechers" may have had to answer the door. Or a phone call. I've seen characters just stop dead in their tracks for several minutes for no reason before. Not because of a disconnect, mind you.

EternalTempest · Jun 26, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Take screen shot, and keep an eye on them.

If they don't move the entire match, when your done with your games, fire off an violation report to support.guildwars.com w/ screen shot proof.

What bothers me more, leavers thinking there too many lechers, when some players (watch cutscene or have dial up), leave too early. At least wait till the clock hits 00:00 and the warps become active before deciding if there lechers or just slow to start.

lyra_song · Jun 26, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacasner

If no one makes a kill or contributes to a kill in 1 minute, then that player is logged out and a henchman NPC or hero npc joins. Good?

What about monks?

korcan · Jun 26, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

y did anet decide to take action against people who spammed trade in local chat? because it was against the eula and everyone, i repeat everyone, was doing it. the fact that there were multiple complaint threads on the fan forums probably helped a bit too. and dont give me this "the programming is easier to implement for temp-banning spammers then detecting anyone afking in ab or fa" if you dont have any experience with coding complicated mmos like guild wars.

now take afk leechers in fa and ab. under what circumstances would anet start taking action? simple... if everyone started doing it. its obviously against the eula and there have been multiple complaint threads about the issue. the only missing factor to the equation is that not enough people seem to be doing it for anet to take any action. so i say, everyone start to afk in both fa and ab and maybe anet will get off their asses and do something about it.