Curse

Diablo™ · Aug 14, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

Of course its mainly their fault wow, if you leave all your windows and doors open and go away for 2weeks and your house gets robbed, your asking for that right? so imo its 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other and therefore unfair to bann people for this. This has nothing to do with morals and ethics etc because its a game and making people pay money for this game and banning them even though your slightly to blame is totally unfair.

The duping process isn't a glaring "open window", if it was we would've spotted this from day 1. This was a highly complex method involving multiple computers and accounts.

Someone using a crowbar to pry open your front door to steal your money doesn't mean it's "your" fault.

The Herbalizer · Aug 14, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

Firstly how do you think it was discovered that you could dupe items, clearly by accident. Secondly how can i be misinformed about the first market crash, i was their and got rich. Next your acting like this is on such a large scale to events such as the first market crash. A very small amount of people were affected by the first market crash and no one got banned but people got rich, and a very small amount are affected now.

Um there is a big difference between walking up to a trader and buying a few materials and having multiple people and account participate in what is clearly a bug to obtain items which they should not have.

There are multiple reasons why all the materials could be cheap. And from what I understand they gradually rose in price as more people bought them. So to someone uncertain of what was going on it would not appear "that bad" seeing ecto for a couple of k.

Now contrast that with:-

Getting thread computers and getting two separate accounts to enter a mission, then getting one to disconnect and rejoin in the town on a different computer, then rejoining the mission on the original computer which got the disconnect and trading with the friend etc etc etc.

The first problem could have been rolled back and it is alot unfairer to ban people for buying materials from the trader. The current problem cannot and players with 100+ million gold cannot be allowed to keep that. The first trader reset did not net the people purchasing materials anywhere near that amount. And the trader reset did not completely destroy a section of the economy e.g. limited mini pets & armbraces.

Edit: Diablo said it better than me: -

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

The duping process isn't a glaring "open window", if it was we would've spotted this from day 1. This was a highly complex method involving multiple computers and accounts.

Someone using a crowbar to pry open your front door to steal your money doesn't mean it's "your" fault.

Oofus · Aug 14, 2007, 02:02 AM // 02:02

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

Of course its mainly their fault wow, if you leave all your windows and doors open and go away for 2weeks and your house gets robbed, your asking for that right? so imo its 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other and therefore unfair to bann people for this. This has nothing to do with morals and ethics etc because its a game and making people pay money for this game and banning them even though your slightly to blame is totally unfair.

Nobody left any doors open, these people chainsawed their way through the wall. Wow are you really so devoid of morals that you actually believe what you just said? I'm embarrassed for the people who raised you, surely these where not the values they attempted to instill in you.

Martin Alvito · Aug 14, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

Firstly how do you think it was discovered that you could dupe items, clearly by accident. Secondly how can i be misinformed about the first market crash, i was their and got rich. Next your acting like this is on such a large scale to events such as the first market crash. A very small amount of people were affected by the first market crash and no one got banned but people got rich, and a very small amount are affected now.

I was also around that day. You are misinformed about the overall consequences of that event, regardless of the benefits to yourself.

A lot of people were up in arms on the day of the trader reset, as I recall. Keep in mind that people with a lot of ectos had 2/3 of their "on-paper" hoard wiped out. I didn't have any at the time (I was just getting going on 55 at the time), so I wasn't as ill about it as some people.

There are several problems this time around, and if you'd taken the time to read through the thread you might be aware of them:

1) God only knows how long this has been going on. It's theoretically been possible since December; evidence suggests it's been going on for a month or longer. What is ANet going to do about the ersatz items? Are they detectable? Will they be removed, and if so what will be the mechanism?

Pretty much anyone that bought or sold a high-end weapon, minipet or ectoplasm in the last month or two would like to know the answers to those questions.

2) A significant share of the Asian minipets was snapped up by the dupers in the last few weeks. Presumably those minis are now on accounts that have been drilled with the banstick. How many (Kanaxai/Panda/etc.) are still out there? Are there more, fewer, or about the same given duplication?

3) What's the plan with the Armbraces, given the sheer number of them that are now floating around which we know to be fake?

4) Can reconnect be implemented in such a way that this sort of abuse can be prevented?

You dismissively scoff and say that it's fine for people to take advantage of an exploit. Which may be true when no one gets hurt...it's just that here some people got hurt pretty bad.

How would you feel if you were a guy like undeadgun that traded his mini panda for stuff that's now worthless? You'd probably feel pretty bad, right?

Get some empathy. WTB a soul for Keke, PST.

Diablo™ · Aug 14, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

My point is the first time the economy crashed and was EXPLOITED <<<KEY WORD HERE, they banned no one and it inflicted alot of damage this is no different as far as i can see

You're talking about the Ecto crash, that my friend... is a glaring "open window." It's their fault, and they know it.

This dupe-a-licious market madness, is not a SMALL problem, and it's NOT their fault. A group of mallicious players decided to see how far they can bend the rules, and now they broke it completely.

Passive Keke · Aug 14, 2007, 02:07 AM // 02:07

I wouldnt feel bad if i lost all my items i would just quit this amazingly well structured GAME

Diablo™ · Aug 14, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

I wouldnt feel bad if i lost all my items i would just quit this amazingly well structured GAME

And no one will miss you.

powercozmic · Aug 14, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Just FYI: We will not be doing a rollback. There is no need to do so. We banned a significant number of players involved in the exploit, and we're continuing to research to ascertain whether other bans will be necessary. But according to Mike O'Brien -- who oughta know

-- we won't need to do a rollback.

So is this a perma-ban ?

Eric Clapton · Aug 14, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Reader of this post I would like to say that we have the next Socrates in our midst. With logic to spare he has schooled me in the art of argument and shown me the way. I will never look at EULA's as binding or legal and will try to scam people and feel no remorse. Yes the new awesomest person ever is none other than....... Passive Keke. Now if only we could all be like him the human race would have ended bout 10 years after we first stood on two legs and there would be no Guild Wars to bicker over and no people with a million Armbraces.

But seriously how can you say believe anything you have written Keke?

AngeloM3 · Aug 14, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

I was the first person to pm Gaile about Chunky...

I PM'ed her 2 weeks ago to let her know that last night Chunky was going to exploit Armbraces. Take that!

hallomik · Aug 14, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Does anyone know for sure what Anet is doing about this?

Are they reviewing logs to see who actually did the duping?

Are they banning all who have high numbers of Armbraces in their inventory?

Are they banning all who ever had high numbers of Armbraces in their inventory?

Is no-rollback confirmed by Anet?

Does this mean those who duped just ectos will get away with it?

When is the last time we heard something official from Anet?

Dim Luffs To · Aug 14, 2007, 02:11 AM // 02:11

i would miss passive, even if he is a smelly cow.

not the point though.

The point is anet has solved this problem, most armbrace dupers got their account banned with the scammed items still on it. yes some duped once were released and some people will get awy with it, but oh well thats life. Sometimes robbers get away in real life. its just the way things go. Hell i would welcome a lower armbrace price and so would most other people i know.

Point is, Anet has solved the major crisis and promsises to keep following up so as to catch anyone who got away. And yelling and ebitching probably is nto going to do anything imo.

max gladius · Aug 14, 2007, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by Passive Keke

I wouldnt feel bad if i lost all my items i would just quit this amazingly well structured GAME

I doubt many ppl will are with ur departing... lets give it a try, starting with not posting here....

Eric Clapton · Aug 14, 2007, 02:16 AM // 02:16

I just gotta say one more thing to all of you Anet bashers out there...Stop It! You have no clue how hard it is to keep a game with 4 million players balanced and working properly. They constantly have to watch the economy and try to catch people like the darn Armbrace dupers and if any of you out there thinks you can "do better" please post your darn resumes or else shut up.

dsnesnintendo · Aug 14, 2007, 02:16 AM // 02:16

i guess if you want a tormented weapon from now on

BUY GEMS ONLY(thou i guess some1(very slow duper instead of aot) could a duped those too)

sucks thou cause i was 90% on my way to getting the staff looks like i have to do yet another gloom run to get it

Sasuke The Betrayer · Aug 14, 2007, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Uh... I'd rather not go through this long thread, but for those who don't know...

This update temporarily disabled the reconnect feature in the game to prevent further exploitation of a trade bug that allowed players to duplicate items using reconnection.

People that have disconnected in the past week or even month are being banned, for "exploiting" this dupe, but many probably had internet problems. I'm lucky I've been avoiding guild wars the past week or so, as I've been playing Battlefield 2. ^^.

unienaule · Aug 14, 2007, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Unless someone wants to explain to me how CLICKING BUY AT THE TRADER is exploiting, further posts calling the trader reset an "exploit" will be deleted.

lacasner · Aug 14, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21

Lawl unienaule..Is savio really worth 500k armbraces?

unienaule · Aug 14, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Only when they were .01g each.

hallomik · Aug 14, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Thanks for the Gaile quote. This thread is getting incredibly long for getting information out of it. Would it be possible to create a sticky somewhere for what we know (versus rumors) about this situation?