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NoXiFy · Aug 14, 2007, 05:46 AM // 05:46

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

"quite sure"???? "Obvious"???? Proof it or leave them alone!!! And send them your proof. Even in america "In dubio pro reo" is used.

Do you actually think that there aren´t people that just think: "Man, am I lucky to get such an offer, or what?" Especially when you have one of those very, very rare Minipets. And with the monuments in GWEN, the value of Minipets might actually rise.

Or: You come back to GW after a 6 months break, you see the offer and sell. Who knows what happened in 6 months.

Are you still "quite sure"???

I dont think the first thing you'd do after a six month break is say "selling mini-panda!" You would probaly ask guildies what the approx. price is first.

lunksunkunk · Aug 14, 2007, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Seems the issue is taken care of, for the most part. Makes me sick to still see people trying to exploit this past bug in the trade chat.

Westofeden · Aug 14, 2007, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

so u get 1750 armbraces just falling out of the sky?

"Ich habe es nicht gewuBt"

Come on be realistic, miracles don't happen.

To people who say that prove is needed in law suits. This is not the case, if you obtained huge amounts of money you have to prove its origin, and thereby show it is legal.

The whole banning situation of our guild wasn't about armbraces seeing as how no one in the guild had or has more than 1 armbrace at a time.

Oofus · Aug 14, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by Joseph Rejekt

With an Avatar like Gonzo, I wouldn't expect you to know what coherent is. I've re-read over what i've said and it makes sense to me. What i'm getting to in there is that there have been alot of noticeable factors that no one seems to be taking account of in regards to why the drop in ectos. Let me break it down a little bit easier for your uncomprehendable mind to follow.

1. Ectos spiked to 12k+ when people got their dervies and paragons through NF and wanted their FoW armor.
2. After weeks of that, obviously fewer and fewer people wanted FoW and prices drop to 9k. This trickled down over weeks.
3. After that, hard mode was introduced. This allowed for more frequent drops, ectos being one of them.
4. UW scrolls allowed for access to UW during moments we didn't have favor.
5. Long time players who accumulated a fair amount of ectos had literally quit the game, which was evident by a few that i knew as well as many posts i'd seen on guru of people unloading 200+ ectos and various greens/golds and declaring they were quitting the game. That in itself puts alot of ectos back into the market, creating even less of a merchant demand.
6. With the intro of Loot Scaling, ectos, because they are a rare material, were unaffected so to allow for continued solo farming for them.
7. The drop in ecto prices didn't suddenly spike down overnight. This happened over a period of months. If a dupe like what happened to armbraces was really the situation, then we'd see ecto prices hovering around that of jades, ambers, and steel. We wouldn't see them around the prices of rubies and diamonds.
8. One thing i'd just remembered as well is that during that time we'd gone through several small holiday events as well as a couple of festivals. It should be well documented that when special events occur, they directly impact the market and especially the ecto market.

So there is that coherent enough for you? Broken down into parts rather than in one big paragraph? Several factors over a period of time that allowed for the drop in ectos broken down in such a way that actually makes perfect sense that as I said, when you take 5-10 min to think about, it actually makes SENSE! A few might be in denial and make it appear that ectos suddenly spiked down almost as if overnight, but that wasn't the case. I still remember times that during the whole fear of ectos dropping where i'd see the slow 500 gold every 2 weeks trickle down effect happening with ectos. For about a month if i remember, ectos were hovering between 6.5k and 7.5k before creeping down to the 5.5k state they are now. That isn't a sign of duping. Duping is a sudden immediate impact whereas this took several months.

LOL I still have absolutely no idea what your POINT is, and I doubt anyone else does either.
By the way, you shouldn't try to use big words, that don’t even exist, to insult people, it kinda makes you look even more foolish. LMAO @ "uncomprehendable”. If you're going to try and insult me because I can't follow your inain blatherings about god-knows-what, at least wait till the acid wears off before you start to type again.

And it's Super GROVER, not Gonzo. Sheesh

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Rayne Despair · Aug 14, 2007, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

so u get 1750 armbraces just falling out of the sky?

"Ich habe es nicht gewuBt"

Come on be realistic, miracles don't happen.

To people who say that prove is needed in law suits. This is not the case, if you obtained huge amounts of money you have to prove its origin, and thereby show it is legal.

No one in our guild had an armbrace. I never had an armbrace...i'm not even to the point of the game where i can do so. I just want things to be fair...and I know that for some people, things aren't fair. Not for one second will i stick up for those who have blatantly duped, but I WILL stick up for those who helped me through prophecies last month and for those who were still helping me do bonuses that i missed.

these people know who they are, and i hope their ban is not a permanent one.

hazard4all · Aug 14, 2007, 05:52 AM // 05:52

my luck that I was on holyday

our guild leader told us who ever do that he will personaly report us :lol:

TheLordOfBlah · Aug 14, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56

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Originally Posted by Oofus

LOL I still have absolutely no idea what your POINT is, and I doubt anyone else does either.
By the way, you shouldn't try to use big words, that don’t even exist, to insult people, it kinda makes you look even more foolish. LMAO @ "uncomprehendable”. If you're going to try and insult me because I can't follow your inain blatherings about god-knows-what, at least wait till the acid wears off before you start to type again.

And it's Super GROVER, not Gonzo. Sheesh

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Not that I dont entirely agree with you, but you spelled "inane" wrong :P

<--- Couldn't resist

Kool Pajamas · Aug 14, 2007, 06:00 AM // 06:00

I don't know. In most cases they probably knew what was going on, but I can't help but feel somewhere there are some kids that were given a gift not knowing the value of what they were given, and now are banned.

FenrirOfSleipnir · Aug 14, 2007, 06:06 AM // 06:06

I'm not sure why I got banned but I sure as hell didn't buy any arm braces. Maybe it's those few times I got disconnected this weekend and quickly reconnect that tied the knot around my neck. Same for my cousin, even. He also got banned, maybe because he's on the same IP as me.

I'm just hoping my best friend doesn't face the same fate cause I gave him Guild Wars as a present last Friday....

And this will surely become bad publicity for them if they keep the innocents banned, you can be sure of that.

NoXiFy · Aug 14, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

New idea. Ban everyone and make them buy the games over again!

maraxusofk · Aug 14, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by NoXiFy

I love Gail. She's on my side. Ban everyone that has more than 1 armbrace, and anyone that has more than 200ecto.

LOL thats right ban everybody richer than u right? while i find it hard to believe ppl haveing over 100 armbraces, it is understandable for ppl to have over 200 ectos. its relaly not hard actually.

arcanemacabre · Aug 14, 2007, 06:08 AM // 06:08

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

I don't know. In most cases they probably knew what was going on, but I can't help but feel somewhere there are some kids that were given a gift not knowing the value of what they were given, and now are banned.

I was thinking that, too. One or two people tops might have taken bids without knowing just how valuable the armbraces are. Without a proper amount of knowledge, you could know about armbraces, and know they are rare, but not know just how valuable they are. An offer of 250 for a rare minipet they may have gotten lucky enough to get somehow (say a grawl from the tradeshow), might sound reasonable enough to be real, and high enough to know they won't get better elsewhere.

Though, like I said, one or two people tops. Generally, people dealing with high-end trades know what things are worth and know that many armbraces is ridiculous. But I do feel bad for those one or two people...

GloryFox · Aug 14, 2007, 06:09 AM // 06:09

The lack of personal responsibility and blame someone else for what "YOU and YOU know who YOU are" did is appalling. Ignorance is not bliss in game or reality.

Take responsibility for your actions and get a life and keep it real people.

NoXiFy · Aug 14, 2007, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

LOL thats right ban everybody richer than u right? while i find it hard to believe ppl haveing over 100 armbraces, it is understandable for ppl to have over 200 ectos. its relaly not hard actually.

I was just picking numbers. By the way, it was funning pwning the leader of out old old alliance [CCCP] in HA today. xD

Lothmorg · Aug 14, 2007, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

4: I had no real idea myself how much an armbrace was worth in this game until this issue - many other players surely are in the same boat. Had I been offered one for 50k or even as a gift I would have known I was getting a good deal but I never would have realized how much of a good deal. If I had a rare mini and was offered a 1000 armbraces for it, I probably would not have realized the discrepancy. I collect certain things and know the price for them but anything else would simply leave me in the dark.

This is the first I've heard about something being worth so much.
I usually stay out of the elite areas. I've never even had a single ecto either.
I'm sure there are lots of people in the same boat as me. Of course, I'd never pay more than 20K for anything...
Glad you caught the ... individuals, although it hardly affects a tightwad such as me.

imkey · Aug 14, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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Originally Posted by Rayne Despair

No one in our guild had an armbrace.

lol.... and how do you KNOW this? You don't have the logs, sorry, ANET has the logs.

If you think you KNOW this or assert this to be true based on faith or trust in your guildies... lol... can i say gullible?

you guys should just stop posting here really...deal with ANET's support. only they can help you.

I am sure ANET keeps permanent records of almost all ingame actions except movement information, skill activation, and some others which would be too data intensive.

Patrick Smit · Aug 14, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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Originally Posted by Westofeden

The whole banning situation of our guild wasn't about armbraces seeing as how no one in the guild had or has more than 1 armbrace at a time.

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Originally Posted by Rayne Despair

No one in our guild had an armbrace. I never had an armbrace...i'm not even to the point of the game where i can do so. I just want things to be fair...and I know that for some people, things aren't fair. Not for one second will i stick up for those who have blatantly duped, but I WILL stick up for those who helped me through prophecies last month and for those who were still helping me do bonuses that i missed.

these people know who they are, and i hope their ban is not a permanent one.

You say 5 people of your guild got banned, Most likely Anet had reasons to do so, how do you know they are free of sins? Because my neighbor can't be a child molester, he is an exemplary teacher at our elementary school! It is difficult to be objective when friends are concerned. But, even when it didn't involve arm braces (on these characters/accounts), they had something that triggered the watchdogs of the database curators. Trust me, trust no one except yourself, and be even wary of that as your ideas/perceptions are so easily adapted to fit the nice "truth". I don't judge you or your guildies, Anet did, and they found a few of you to be most likely involved in activities that breach the EULA.

maraxusofk · Aug 14, 2007, 06:14 AM // 06:14

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Originally Posted by NoXiFy

I was just picking numbers. By the way, it was funning pwning the leader of out old old alliance [CCCP] in HA today. xD

Not to jump off track but yeah, most of our best regular players arent playing now. still, losing is pretty bad. gg.

NoXiFy · Aug 14, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

Not to jump off track but yeah, most of our best regular players arent playing now. still, losing is pretty bad. gg.

=o maybe they got banned. all members of gank should be banned for being so damn leetzor.

max gladius · Aug 14, 2007, 06:17 AM // 06:17

hmmmmm i cant get over this picture.... sorry gotta share it here... again....

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...3456/gw666.jpg

Anet is fixing it, thats all we ingame need to worry about.... flaming ppl and Anet get no results, u would think 2 yrs into the game more ppl would realize this.

As Anet and Gaile has stressed, as they weed threw the ppl banned or not banned, more ppl will be unbanned and others banned I am sure.

Let them do their work.

End of story.