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kooomar · Aug 16, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

It's not that hard to interrupt 3/4 second cast skills.

/agree

.75 sec casts are actually the minimum I would say for interrupting efficiently/consistently anything longer is obviously easy to hit, but anything less is anticipatory. However, Interrupting a 3/4 second cast from sheer reflexes is possible.

Alex Silverfox · Aug 16, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I've caught 3/4s spells by twitch reflex on 200-300ms ping.

As many have said, prediction and anticipation play a huge part in interrupting successfully.

What if a monk is not predictable and wait randomly to cast a skill?

Painbringer · Aug 16, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17

It was just me and my bionic reflexes.

Honestly if you can build a bot to farm you can build one to just fire off skills. Human targets and moves the Bot runs the skills.

Retribution X · Aug 16, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Alex Silverfox

What if a monk is not predictable and wait randomly to cast a skill?

That monk sucks and seriously needs to quit PvPing if they randomly spam skills.

It's easy to determine when a monk will cast. No monk will let their own die because they might get interrupted trying to heal them. (Unless the powerspike from the interrupt would kill the monk.)

Hengis · Aug 16, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Although I dont play a mesmer often, I do play an interrupting ranger and I have been called either a cheat or a bot when playing simply because the target was not watching what I was using to interrupting him with.

I use Incendiary arrows with 15 or 16 Wilderness Survival with needling shot and a recurve bow. This give 15 or 16 seconds out of every 24 of constant interrupts unless the target uses a blocking skill, for which I carry precision shot to ensure I still hit Zealous Benediction etc.

If I have both needling shot and precision shot available and think the monk (or whatever) is about to cast, then I will use both skills in quick succession, and it is amazing how many times one of the arrows will interrupt something.

If I can get a target below 50% health, then he will be interrupted on almost every cast.

It's fun to play too :-)

Anyway, what I am saying is that there are skills that can interrupt anything over and over again.

Edited for stupid mistakes after a long day at work.

Alex Silverfox · Aug 16, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

That monk sucks and seriously needs to quit PvPing if they randomly spam skills.

It's easy to determine when a monk will cast. No monk will let their own die because they might get interrupted trying to heal them. (Unless the powerspike from the interrupt would kill the monk.)

I didnt wrote spam random skills -.- Please guys read better. I said WAIT randomly, gosh! It would be half second more or even 1 second more, or something like that to not be predictable AND you can use _merely_ your reflex to no waste skills and mana that might be preciouses.

HolyHawk · Aug 16, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

It's possible; I can actually think about using a simple macro program to do that, in theory it's not hard at all, however, I don't think that's the case on your situation; probably luck. I myself once caught 3 infuses in a row, and even though there was some "plan" to predict it, there's multiple factors such as ping and hardware at some extent.

crimsonfilms · Aug 16, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

People claiming to be able to interrupt 1/4c skills consistently is full of BS.
3/4" yes - that is expected of top ranger and mesmers.
But interrupting 1/4c is all about luck. Saying otherwise is pure BS. Grade school math will tell you so.

(interrupt cast + latency + reaction time < 1/4 sec???)

.11 + .075 + .15sec = .335

So even with FC at 17 @ 1/4 interupt spell, virtually no latency and top percentile of human reaction, you still come out behind a 1/4 cast time.

Getting lucky with a bit of good anticipation - maybe.

Mesmer in Need · Aug 16, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Its not that hard to interrupt 1/4 and 3/4 cast spells, you just have to have low latency and good reflexes, with a bit of luck thrown in. As for bots doing this, i belive its possible. We all know how well heros can interrupt. Give a hero pd, and as long as energy allows, they will interrupt most of whats cast. However they dont really care if what theyre interrupting flare or spell breaker. Thats what makes the difference.

Andrew Patrick · Aug 16, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

I will pass this along in our weekly Community Summary. Thanks for the heads up!

crimsonfilms · Aug 16, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need

Its not that hard to interrupt 1/4....

Please stop this nonsense. Yes it is hard, it is impossible to interrupt 1/4c spells. And if you did, it was luck.

If you going to keep saying 'it is not hard' - prove it. At least show it. I just gave a simple math equation. If you have another one countering it, post it. If not, stop saying it.

around · Aug 16, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

It's possible. Not easy, but you can nail them once if you can anticipate them and know generally when monks use their 1/4 second prots.

=DNC=Trucker · Aug 16, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

200-300ms ping has nothing to do with interrupting. You can run a 750ms ping and still be able to interrupt 3/4 second spells. The game does some sort of compensation for this, I am 100% sure of it. That is why (sometimes) it seems like you've been interrupted after you already casted.

...and that bar showing you at what point in the spell you were interrupted is bugged. Even things like shame or mark of sub may 'appear' to interrupt you as you are casting.

crimsonfilms · Aug 16, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by spawnofebil

It's possible. Not easy, but you can nail them once if you can anticipate them and know generally when monks use their 1/4 second prots.

That is called spamalot + luck.

I hope this is not the same people in RA that spams Power Return and asked "How you like my interrupts?" after the game. I can tell an 8yr old to press the 1 key every 5 seconds and get the same frequency of interrupts as those claiming 'it is not hard.'

Voltar · Aug 16, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Not to insult you but are you sure you weren't dazed?

I throw out a whole lot of educated Hail-Mary interrupts. Sometimes my finger just slips and i hit something on accident.

Age · Aug 16, 2007, 10:43 PM // 22:43

Don't Mesmers ever switch targets give a Monk a bad day?I don't watch Mesmers in observer Mode for the most part only Monks,Warriors and Rangers.

I find it out by luck if I can interrupt 1/4sec cast spell in pve with distracting shot or savage.

Tahlia Tane · Aug 16, 2007, 11:03 PM // 23:03

I hope this bot program shit isn't true. I'm very good at interrupting foes or players in PvP. I just anticipate when they use something manually. If you miss, you miss. But if you hit, you hit em good.

Yeah. I'm good.

But I don't want to be accused of doing something, and maybe even getting banned for it! WTF!!

Alex Silverfox · Aug 17, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Voltar

Not to insult you but are you sure you weren't dazed?

I throw out a whole lot of educated Hail-Mary interrupts. Sometimes my finger just slips and i hit something on accident.

Once again: yes there was no Daze, as soon as I get usually I scream like a girl over TS

I've nothing against mesmers or interrupters in general, it's a really nice profession and I know there are good mesmer out there. Since somebody said it could be possible to have such program I feel not to be that wrong. It's not a issue that will affect the high lvl pvp but the low/mid level where some lamers may hide.

Thanks Andrew Patrick

Burst Cancel · Aug 17, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18

A couple things to note:
- If everything was being interrupted, it actually makes a human interrupter more plausible. Most of the delay in interrupting comes from determining whether the skill is worth interrupting or not. Therefore, if they're just hitting the button on reaction to a visual cue (i.e., the appearance of a skill icon on the skill monitor), interrupting becomes much, much faster.
- Veteran players can interrupt 3/4s casts on reaction, consistently. Screaming "bot" based on this simply isn't credible at all.
- Prediction is a large part of interrupting. Monks, especially, are never completely random - your prots and heals are dictated by your enemy's offense. As a general example, throwing an interrupt at a monk while spiking down one of the monk's teammates has a very good chance of catching something. Similarly, good monks will prot on reaction to certain things (e.g., lightning orb :P), and trying an interrupt in that window has a good chance of catching something. You can also watch the monk to figure out individual characteristics. For instance, some people like to dance around, but always stop moving right before they cast something. Or, some people will run up to cast something - interrupting them right when they reach their casting range is almost guaranteed to catch something.

moriz · Aug 17, 2007, 12:24 AM // 00:24

untrained human reaction time is in the .19 - .22s range. for trained FPS gamers, that reaction time is lowered to around .16s.

i almost never interrupt on reflex, simply because mine is not reliable. i have this strange blink reflex that causes me to blink about twice as much as a normal person, so my reaction time can vary anywhere from .18s to .342s if i happen to blink right as the action starts.

as for interrupting bots.... possible, but kinda pointless. it will be difficult to write a bot that's as good as a hero. so if someone really want the fast reaction, they might as well roll a hero and save the time and effort.