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TheRaven · Aug 14, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Ok, I stand corrected. I'll admit, I've never modded and don't know much about it. Only what I've seen others post on the subject.

So, since you can't create buttons, how did the Pre players create a GH button?

lyra_song · Aug 14, 2007, 01:29 PM // 13:29

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

Ok, I stand corrected. I'll admit, I've never modded and don't know much about it. Only what I've seen others post on the subject.

So, since you can't create buttons, how did the Pre players create a GH button?

i see it as:

1) A camper who sat in GH back when Pre chars could enter their GHs.
2) A clientside .dat hack
3) A new glitch
4) A beautiful hoax

Cybergasm · Aug 14, 2007, 01:29 PM // 13:29

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

Ok, I stand corrected. I'll admit, I've never modded and don't know much about it. Only what I've seen others post on the subject.

So, since you can't create buttons, how did the Pre players create a GH button?

The question is really: did they make a GH button? It could be:

a.) Photoshop
b.) Only the GH But. texture
c.) None of the above as no one has ever seen a GH But. in pre-sear (as in, do we have any screenshots of this?)

Coridan · Aug 14, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

While I am hesitant to say this is a REAL hack...since we have no verification..i feel that we need to take all of this seriously now....2 weeks ago who would have thought that someone would have really had 1750 Armbraces.... most people wrote off those screenies as a hoax...

TheRaven · Aug 14, 2007, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Well, from the other pre-searing threads, we do know that Pre-searing has quite a few tomes floating around.

Multiple accounts of tomes in Pre.
People are using hard rezzes in Pre now.
Someone claimed to have seen a Flesh Golem in Pre.
Sudden influx of expert salvage kits in pre (not the charr salvage kits)

I don't know if the mini mallyx is real or not. Photoshop is a possibility, but since tomes are in Pre the it's very possible that mallyx is as well.

The GH glitch that existed long ago is old news. There have always been black market items in Pre due to that glitch. So why is there now a sudden influx of new items in Pre? It truly does sound like a new mod/hack/exploit has been discovered and is making the rounds in Pre. Perhaps it's not exactly a textmodded button to GH, but it's some way of reaching the GH.

arcanemacabre · Aug 14, 2007, 01:39 PM // 13:39

Warning, pure speculation and ignorance ahead:

I could see it as possible. You would maybe need some kind of memory-capture to see what data the GW client sends out when you hit the GH button with another character (one who isn't stuck in Pre with an actual button). Then find a way to duplicate that data sent by use of a macro. That macro can be binded to some key, or a visual "button" either in-game or as a separate window, whatever. Now, whenever the macro is run, bam, any character currently in-game at the time, including those in Pre, are sent directly to the GH.

Purely speculation, of course. But I think it makes sense... It seems that instead of actually putting in code to prevent Pre- characters from going to the GH, they simply removed the button. Which means the way is there, you just need to "make a door".

Kashrlyyk · Aug 14, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

This was reported last week here.

There is a mod hack that players are using to edit their .exe files that is similiar to the innocent texture mods that have become so popular recently. This particular mod adds a "Goto Guild Hall" button to their interface so the Pre characters are able to go back and forth to their GHs freely. Thus bringing back tomes, expert salvage kits, minis, etc to Pre.

A lot this this has been overshadowed by the Armbrace fiasco, but hopefully the developers will have time to do something about it soon.

So GW has no script that looks if things are possible at the place that acharacter is. Should be easy to prevent any presearing character from entering the Guild Halls.

Etta · Aug 14, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by Coridan

most people wrote off those screenies as a hoax...

Can someone just put that guy name in to the friend list? If his name doesnt exist, then it's a hoax. If it's offline then report him to anet. I would do it myself but I'm at work.

Lord High Pwner · Aug 14, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

OK im no modder nor do i care to ever play Pre again, but with all the talk of modding and textures, is it feasible to say that the Guild Hall button is always there and its a texture mod ANET implemented for pre chars to make it go away, which means its already there you just cant see it, and could mod it to be shown again?

Im not saying i think its right to bring things into pre by an exploit. Exploits are bad period. But if it is only one person and only a mini mallyx i dont see banning the guy. Its not as though hes going to sell it in pre. But if people did sneak tomes in and other things in i hope the Ban axe falls on those whove done it.

One moer thing with the exception of skins, and somewhat better functionality i dont see why people would bring weapons to pre, unless they dont have the GOTY edition or the preorders from any game. I think the inventory full of /bonusitems is enough to choose from. But as someone already stated, if there is an exploit, some cant help but exploit it

arcanemacabre · Aug 14, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by Lord High Pwner

OK im no modder nor do i care to ever play Pre again, but with all the talk of modding and textures, is it feasible to say that the Guild Hall button is always there and its a texture mod ANET implemented for pre chars to make it go away, which means its already there you just cant see it, and could mod it to be shown again?

Im not saying i think its right to bring things into pre by an exploit. Exploits are bad period. But if it is only one person and only a mini mallyx i dont see banning the guy. Its not as though hes going to sell it in pre. But if people did sneak tomes in and other things in i hope the Ban axe falls on those whove done it.

One moer thing with the exception of skins, and somewhat better functionality i dont see why people would bring weapons to pre, unless they dont have the GOTY edition or the preorders from any game. I think the inventory full of /bonusitems is enough to choose from. But as someone already stated, if there is an exploit, some cant help but exploit it

I don't think it's a simple texture thing. The button is just plain gone. But a proper "door" will still allow the character to pop back into the GH. At least that's what I'm thinking. Tex Mod wouldn't be able to do this. I think modding is safe. I doubt it even affect the .dat file. This is probably a straight data hack.

Oh yeah, and I think the most Pre-breaking items would be tomes. Being able to get any skill, normal and elite, pretty much ruins Pre. Not to mention super-cheap pimping out (insignias, runes) and superior runes, etc. Pre- innocence lost, I guess.

upier · Aug 14, 2007, 01:53 PM // 13:53

This week just rocks!
Things keep getting better and better!

Seriously - hadn't had so much fun in ages and this is actually the first week (after months actually!) that I look forward to playing GW! Since you never know when the next thing will break out and it would be a shame to miss it!

Loving it!

Karlos · Aug 14, 2007, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by Cybergasm

I don't see how this client-side "hack" is possible. When you go to Guild Hall, you still have to interface with the servers, validating your character and what-not. Has anything actually been confirmed?

As a dev myself, I would venture to guess that the way ANet implemented their "no pre-searing chars in the guild hall" fix is to make the UI not show the "Visit Guild Hall" button if you're in Pre-Searing, instead of making the server refuse to give you access. If that is the case, then if you can show the button in some other way, you can send your chars to the guild hall. It becomes a question of showing the UI functionality, not bypassing server restrictions.

Pkest · Aug 14, 2007, 02:04 PM // 14:04

I am just curious. Why do you post something like this on a forum and bring the new glitch to the attention of the masses instead of just reporting it to ANet so they can fix it before it gets even wider spread and does more damage than it already has?

Antithesis · Aug 14, 2007, 02:05 PM // 14:05

I said it then, i'll say it now...allowing community modding is the biggest mistake Anet will ever make in the game. It was always on the cards that modding would go beyond simple retextures and exploits would be found.

GG Anet, reap what you sow.

Neo Nugget · Aug 14, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06

bah! So annoying i hate post items in pre. People bring them in and charge tons of money for them OR just show off -.-

Emunator · Aug 14, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by Pkest

I am just curious. Why do you post something like this on a forum and bring the new glitch to the attention of the masses instead of just reporting it to ANet so they can fix it before it gets even wider spread and does more damage than it already has?

Because i hope in this way when there is more attention a-net will resolve this issue a bit quicker.
I did report it to a-net also using the proper way.
And since i like Pre-Searing i cant stand that it's being poluted like this.

lyra_song · Aug 14, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

I said it then, i'll say it now...allowing community modding is the biggest mistake Anet will ever make in the game. It was always on the cards that modding would go beyond simple retextures and exploits would be found.

GG Anet, reap what you sow.

Last i checked, finding and fixing exploits was a good thing?

Etta · Aug 14, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Pkest

I am just curious. Why do you post something like this on a forum and bring the new glitch to the attention of the masses instead of just reporting it to ANet so they can fix it before it gets even wider spread and does more damage than it already has?

Dont we all have the right to know, what's going on? And act accordingly and in exceptable fashion?

arcanemacabre · Aug 14, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by Pkest

I am just curious. Why do you post something like this on a forum and bring the new glitch to the attention of the masses instead of just reporting it to ANet so they can fix it before it gets even wider spread and does more damage than it already has?

Because no one is sure how it's being done, like the dupe thing. The concern is posted, and likely also brought to Anet's attention, then the forumites discuss the why's and how's. If we can come up with some ideas on how it's being done, we can help Anet fix it faster. Otherwise the report will be a simple "Post items are getting into Pre - here's an SS".

immortius · Aug 14, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

If the "Goto Guild Hall" action isn't checked on the server, then there are a number of ways that functionality could be invoked by hacks.

But the point of Guild War's strong server-weak client model was that it is really easy to check things on the server end and prevent them if they are not allowed.

Of course if they missed adding the check when they removed the button, it wouldn't be an easy problem to spot.