Curse

Maximumraver · Aug 21, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

@ Thread Starter:

Healers Wisper · Aug 21, 2007, 06:44 PM // 18:44

To tabascosauce;

First off I made no personal attacks at you or anyone. The troll comment was a gerneral comment intended to target people who life is based in MMO's. that is besides the point.

Secound, I dont give two S**ts what you or anyone thinks about my ingame acomplishments. I dont play this game to impress you, I play this game and put value on my rare armor and weapons because it means I accomplished one of two things: Either I farmed enough gold to buy it or I played a leet area enough for it to drop. I am the one who has to wake up and be ok with me, I dont need other telling me who I am.

Lastly on the issue at hand which is the effects of buying gold from the online store, for which I disagree, and I will use ford motor company as an example. Now the focus is mass produced here in the states. In California you can't drive a mile without seeing one. They are cheep and in demand and ford meets that demand fairly well. as a result the car doesn't hold it value and people mostly ignor the fact that they are there. Now if ford decided to mass produce the Salene Mustang to the same level as the focus, sold for the same price and people decided to buy at that rate so the are one of the most popular car on the road, what value would it have? None really. Its value comes from being rare.

This can be now taken into the game. we can use ecto if you like, a rare drop that is exempt form loot scaling and prices have plummeted. This is due I think largly to increased supply, not lack of money. also due to a decrease in demand as FoW armor sales have dropped. So I understand the "supply side" economic principals.

Increaing drop will not balance infinite money. Pick up any text book on economocs and you'll see this. there has to be some underlying scarcity in both good and Money for there to be economic value in your current market. Simple principal. Flooding the marked with goods or money = bad for economy, In game or real life.

Keep money how it is, and keep rares rare and actually work for something.

Kinn · Aug 21, 2007, 07:16 PM // 19:16

Wow - this is actually worse than that idea someone posted in Sardelac, which proposed that Elite skills should only be available to use if your region has favour.

Yep, this idea is worse than that one. Congratulations!

TabascoSauce · Aug 21, 2007, 07:16 PM // 19:16

We agree - there has to be a money sink for the wealthy to put their money towards, but it does not exist as of now. There is another thread out there now titled "something beyond platinum" that talks about that exact problem.

The problem is the players who have 3 accounts with maxed out gold balances, not players like me who spend every plat on skills and runes. All my gold goes out of the economy back to ANet. Other players bid 100 plat and 20 ecto for that perfect sword, and it goes to another player, and stays in the economy and makes this nasty circle where the wealthy move their gold around to eachother, and it never leaves the game.

Back to your post, as far as money being bought, it happens right now, every day. The bot sellers still talk about "cheap gold www.cheapgold.com" in AC, LA, etc. ANet, for all I have seen, has not banned gold buyers, and is not going to aggressive pursue banning in the future either.

We are talking about an already existing problem - this is not a new thing. I get the impression from your post that you are completely disregarding the current problem, because it is easier to make your case when you do not consider it. That is just my impression, could be wrong.

As far as your RL example with the Mustang, the production costs of that vehicle prohibit it from being sold at the price of a Focus and making a profit. If they were virtual mustangs, as in Gran Turismo, then everyone having one makes them merely a preference, not a status symbol, since they have zero production cost beyond the initial 3D CAD expenditure.

What you are putting forward is a status symbol, and to have status symbols you must have an audience. The same with your Mustang Salene, it must be rare to have value. Not everyone can have one, else it would be as mentioned before a preference. That is not a vacuum, where you say you do not care what others think - you are contradicting yourself. Noone who owns one of those Mustangs in real life and waxes it every day will be able to honestly say "Yeah, I dont care what other people think of my car". He's lying - and we both know it. It sounds to me like you want others to appreciate your work in-game, and that if everyone could have it then your "sacrifice" of time and effort in GW would be.... meaningless?

Dood, it is not real. It is not curing cancer. It is, absolutely, totally, completely meaningless.

If your argument for being tight-fisted about others having gold or items is solely based on personal pride in an accomplishment in this game taking hours and hours to do, which not everyone has the time to spend, then I cannot support you or sympathize with your position.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

kilkelo · Aug 21, 2007, 10:14 PM // 22:14

100k for 4$??? Thats a set of 15k! Gtfo you sweatshop farmer, I'm on to you!

Healers Wisper · Aug 21, 2007, 11:07 PM // 23:07

ok I did not ignor the current problem in game. My first posts adreeses the problems of bots and such, where I said dont buy in game gold. No demenad = no profit for bots = no bots.

Then followed it up with an analogy of making it legal to print you own paper money in real life. Cause that is kinda what the OP said. Lets make counterfitting of gold (in game) legal. I disagree, counterfitting, or printing (distributing ) endless amount of currency in a economic system is bad. Increases inflation .....

Now for the guy who own a cool car and polishes it everyday, I belive he could careless about what people think about it. Otherwise I wouldnt spend 2 hours a week cleaning my focus. It certainly isn't a status symbol (if it is what does it say about my finances? nothing really to boast about) But I digress. It is possible to have personla pride in your belonging and accomplishments independant of others.

Now if a friend came over and said "hey thats a nice focus" would it be a compliment? yes. Do I need it to survive no. I am pretty sure if it was a saleen mustang I would feel the same, I just prob get the compliment more often

Artkin · Aug 21, 2007, 11:55 PM // 23:55

The ONLY solution is that we all QUIT the game...then ANet will get a clue about the ECONOMY system.

Entreri · Aug 22, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Healers Wisper

I got a better Idea to rid GW of bots. DON'T BUY GOLD ONLINE! Earn it like the rest of us. Actually accomplish something and not look for the easy, instant gradification route.

No Demand = No Profit for Bots = No Bots
simple

Quote:

Originally Posted by Healers Wisper

ok I did not ignor the current problem in game. My first posts adreeses the problems of bots and such, where I said dont buy in game gold. No demenad = no profit for bots = no bots.

I don't see why we're still having problems in Iraq. Obviously we could just have Healers Wisper post on AlQaedaGuru.com and say.

ZOMG! EVERYBODY STOP COMMITTING TERRORIST ACTS AND/OR SHOOTING PEOPLE!

Nobody committing terrorist acts = No terrorism

Problem solved.

Entreri · Aug 22, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artkin

The ONLY solution is that we all QUIT the game...then ANet will get a clue about the ECONOMY system.

They will have extra time to count your money with the spare time from not having to support you. So this may actually be true.

Rhedd · Aug 22, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

I think the OP should be thrown into the Pit of Poison Monkeys!

Healers Wisper · Aug 22, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entreri

I don't see why we're still having problems in Iraq. Obviously we could just have Healers Wisper post on AlQaedaGuru.com and say.

ZOMG! EVERYBODY STOP COMMITTING TERRORIST ACTS AND/OR SHOOTING PEOPLE!

Nobody committing terrorist acts = No terrorism

Problem solved.

While I agree that this mindset does match my statement kinda, I din't feel the need to expand my solutions for bots in this thread like I have before. OF course the Idea that the best way to get rid of something is for people to simply not do it or use it works. I was addressing the OP point of anet selling gold to get rid of bots, to which my responce is better to just not buy it.

Now I understand 2% of the population simply can't do that. Just like 2% of the world's population will be terrorists, criminals and other social devients. To those people I say, lock em up and remove them from a society that largely obeys the established rules and laws. ANET does that by banning bots, and I applaud them for it. In RL our Military and other policing agencies also do that, and I aplaud them also. Because I understand simply asking people to function within a society established rules and laws, will be seemingly to be imposible for approx 2% of any community.

But this thread is about ANET gold Selling, I still say no.