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twicky_kid · Aug 22, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by FenrirOfSleipnir

Sorry to tell you but, when you get banned, your IP and anything that's connected to that IP (names, address, email) is banned along with it.

Go read the rules, it's in there.

You people act like changing your IP is impossible. Its very easy to do. As far as personal info (name, address) its all fake to begin with. I never give anyone online my personal info. I'll fill in the blanks with some BS but that's about it. No botter, anti person info online, or anyone else that is intending to do something against the rules is going to give their personal info.

If you think the bots are going to stop just because they get banned you are nuts. They will get a new account or buy an existing one. Until the cost of the ban out weighs the profit it won't stop. The only people this really hurting is the real players.

GW might not be intending on making more profit because of the bans but they are. The botters will take the steps to get back into the game (buying more copies) while real players will be locked out unless they go around Anet's blocks.

haggus71 · Aug 22, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

hmmm.....considering the massive amounts of posts and threads about grind and farming, you MIGHT want to second-guess the idea of trying for sympathy on the forums.

It's been said before, but I think you need to look not at whether they were right or wrong, but WHY they banned you.

Does it not bother you that you were acting like an automated computer program? It was nothing to you to spend an ENTIRE DAY OF YOUR LIFE sitting in front of a computer screen, doing the same actions over and over. At least with a data entry job you get paid, and only do it 8 hours a day. I pray you have an LCD monitor, because that CRT would burn a hole in your head.

You didn't chat with anyone in all that time? No guild? No friends? No one calling you on the phone? Not even Mom, if you don't still live at home? Seriously, Anet may not have meant to, but they gave you a wake-up call!

Reminds me of that episode of SNL with Shatner at a Trekkie Convention. Shatner: "You there, your what? 25? Have you ever kissed a girl?.........Get a life! Move out of your grandparents' basement!"

Personally, I am glad Anet is doing things like this. I've noticed the bot numbers drop bigtime, as of late, and as others have. Also, with the knowledge that too much grind could be interpreted this way, we might see favor drop from 1800 freaking minutes(I mean, there are only 1440 minutes in a DAY!).

=DNC=Trucker · Aug 22, 2007, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Navaros

In that case maybe Anet shouldn't put titles in the game for which bot-like behaviour is the only viable way to get them maxed --- like the Treasure Hunter title is.

QFT!

4,5,6,7,8,9,10

Big_Iron · Aug 22, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

People are missing the point of this thread by making observations about the OP's hours on the computer playing a game. That's not what this is about. If someone wants to spend 24/7 playing a game, it's their choice. If he played golf 8 hours a day, would anyone care? If he wants to spend hours grinding for a title, why do you people care? Personally, I think you need to back off the guy and try to stay on topic.

MSecorsky · Aug 22, 2007, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

People are missing the point of this thread by making observations about the OP's hours on the computer playing a game. That's not what this is about. If someone wants to spend 24/7 playing a game, it's their choice. If he played golf 8 hours a day, would anyone care? If he wants to spend hours grinding for a title, why do you people care? Personally, I think you need to back off the guy and try to stay on topic.

Actually, that is the topic. It's not the hours he spent, but the hours he spent mimicking a bot that are relevant. If you play golf for eight hours you're not making the same shot repeatedly, you're walking the course and every shot is new. This guy stayed at the tee on the one whole and hooked the same ball into the same pond every shot for days.

Methinks the OP doth protest too much.

Big_Iron · Aug 22, 2007, 05:46 PM // 17:46

I get your point MSecorsky. I'm talking about the people saying things like he "deserved to get banned" and the typical "get a life" responses.

Shakti · Aug 22, 2007, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

People are missing the point of this thread by making observations about the OP's hours on the computer playing a game. That's not what this is about. If someone wants to spend 24/7 playing a game, it's their choice. If he played golf 8 hours a day, would anyone care? If he wants to spend hours grinding for a title, why do you people care? Personally, I think you need to back off the guy and try to stay on topic.

No offense but that kinda IS on topic. Most people freak about bots everywhere (see the gazillion and two posts/threads about that) We WANT Anet to do something. To do that they must ban the accts. To do that they ban accts showing bot-like behavior. The OP displayed bot-like behavior. The OP was banned. Makes sense to me. The OP got his/her acct back when he/she dealt with support. Support gave him/her a chance. Makes sense to me.

Anet is trying to clean up bots.....why is anyone upset? No one lost their acct, it was unbanned. They didn't apologize? What for? It might have been nice if they said "sorry for the mistake" but how do they KNOW it was a mistake if the OP DID in fact act botish? We want bots gone this will happen. If you are innocent you get acct back.

Emunator · Aug 22, 2007, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Ok people wake up and leave the OP be.

Tell me if this is bot like behaviour (bots are to make profit)

Say lockpicks (i suspect hm chest runs) are 1.2K each and he buys 100 that would make 120K he had to pay.
Now he get's 100 golds wich he sells for the going rate at 7 unidentified for 5K.
So 100/7=14.29 that times 5 = 71.45K

Well or i'm stupid or a-net could see those are non-profit runs that cost him about 50K for every 100 chests.

P.S. Correct me if i'm wrong and let him play the way he wants
Ok, might be a bit more profit because not all of his keys will break i guess.

MSecorsky · Aug 22, 2007, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

I get your point MSecorsky. I'm talking about the people saying things like he "deserved to get banned" and the typical "get a life" responses.

Although I disagree with the 'get a life' crowd I'm much less likely to disagree with the 'deserved to be banned' crowd simply due to the impression he gives that he may very well have been using a bot.

I will state clearly that if he indeed was botting he certainly deserved to be banned and it's a pity it was removed. If not, then no... no ban was deserved but it certainly was earned by his behaviour. It is difficult to feel sympathy in this case for the OP based upon admitted actions. However without all the facts no one should be reaching a clear, finalized decision one way or the other; everyone should, at most, be more conscious of their own actions and the possible side-effects of them.

Zorgy · Aug 22, 2007, 06:08 PM // 18:08

"....And yes i am very happy I got my account back but treating people like crap after they make a mistake is simply wrong..."

Anet didnt treat you like crap, while grinding for this title you BECAME A HUMAN FLESH BOT.

Try to act as A HUMAN BEING & NOT AS A BOT....shame on you

game addiction leads to narrow-mindedness.

What a fun to open 300 chests in 5 hours

watch out !!!!!

Legendary Shiz · Aug 22, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by fenix

If you talk to people on Guild Chat or in PMs I imagine it won't look like you're botting. It's much easier to farm + chat to guildies or friends than to bother making yourself look unbotlike :P

Yeah I have rank 4 treasure hunter as well on one character, and I always kind of make sure to do something out of character for a bot just in case they decide to peep in on my account.

Wulfgast · Aug 22, 2007, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Here's a clear, finalized decision:

Don't ban someone if you cannot prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are using a 3rd party program. Due process.

If you make a potentially incorrect judgment call and it is brought to your attention (as in, no proof is still available), then both apologize for and remove the negative marks from said person's record. Good customer service.

It's quite simple, really -- there's nothing to argue about. If the OP's story is accurate, then Anet is in the wrong.

Performance Pudding · Aug 22, 2007, 06:24 PM // 18:24

first off what does op stand for? 2nd omg never play for that long. and 3rd anet puts in the you have been playing for x hours please take a break for a reason. sitting at a comp all day is seriously un healthy. a way to conteract this is by making a schedule or getting a alarm clock and setting it for every hour. then you get up go for a walk or something active. together we can stop the world craveing for McDonalds... (i know somone who ate a shard of metal that was in a burger and got 20 mil out of it, i know crazy right!) but ya excersise releases more things that make you happy than video games. That is why people jog or bike or do sports.

Darksun · Aug 22, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

ca_aok, the ban was still not legitimate as they actually can't prove a single thing except repetitive behavior (which is NOT a violation of the EULA). They ASSUME 3rd programs to be used for this behavior.

The problem is that bots ARE repetitive behaviour. Most bots just repeat key strokes, so it really is nothing more than repetitive behaviour. 5hrs of the SAME EXACT thing? I think perhapses there is nothing wrong with telling a person to stop doing that.

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Originally Posted by Roshi_ikkyu

True there is still no reconnect feature for Real life. Why aren't the devs working on a reconnect.... If i was a CR/PR rep I wouldn't speak out but, the last guy the company sent down was crucified

LOL see how GM's get treated?! Make a whole world for us and we complain about not getting exp & gold fast enough! Surprised they haven't done a server wipe.

Roshi_ikkyu · Aug 22, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Roshi_ikkyu

You deserve the ban, seriously all that time chest running. Dude get out of the house go see the daylight, ride a bike, watch a movie without download times, chat up a girl, atleast try to live damn it!

Warning real life is seriously lacking in res shrines... becareful

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Originally Posted by prism2525

Thank you for trying to start a flame war... but it didn't work.

Anet banned him because they thought he was a bot: something which could have been cleared up easily by whisping him/her. The ban, according to the OP's story, is totally unjustified and doesn't deserve the "one-time offender mark". He was just grinding for a title (boring as hell and anyone can tell him to get a life and all, but no reason to ban).

Don't ever talk to me again apart from to offer me an apology, seriously I never want to hear from you ever again! The Op even admits bot like behaviour, including chest running for up till 5hours over a 24hr period, he even admits how it could be considered bot like with his behaviour, I just made a clearly sarcastic statement in reply to his comments.

Now I'm sending this to your via PM and also taking the matter up via PM with Guru Mods, please Reframe from assulting my character on this or any other message board.

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Originally Posted by zenatomiser

...A friend tells me about this really great run where he gets 1 chest every 45~ seconds and it spawns almost always. So i go try it out... perfect just what I need to get my title up to rank 4.

So i do this in the evening and open up around 50-70 chests and go to sleep. Next morning I decide to do this all day long. It's very simple very easy and very mindless. You don't need to think how to get past groups or anything, just check if chest spawned put up Shadow Form and go in. After I get the chest I type /resign and return to outpost. So doing this for a whole day or atleast most of the day, I recall seeing "you have played for 5 hours bla bla" I end up with around 300~ chests done in 1 day. I think to myself wow this is awesome way to get chest hunter title. Sure it's boring but atleast it's easy and fast. Next day I do around 150~ chests getting slightly bored of it. And finally on the 3rd day i get my last 100~ chests and get rank 4 .

Meanwhile all the gold drops I get i sell Unidentified to other people to get my money back. Since I spend a huge amount of money on keys and need to keep going with the title.

Now how suspicious can a guy get right? Zone in and out every minute for 5h+ must be a bot right? Well ANet Thinks so.

Righty back to my messages to customer service, my last reply was sent off at 17:40 UK time, which at the time I didn't noticed but im guessing it's around 20 mins before they close it off and call it a day.

Now I never said he was running a bot, just I implied in a sarcastic manner that he should see the out doors. But if u continue to imply that my only merit is to start a 'flame' topic I really I little recourse.

By the way your getting via a PM as well a several Mods, in best interest I suggest your offer an apology!

Fril Estelin · Aug 22, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Wulfgast

Here's a clear, finalized decision:

Don't ban someone if you cannot prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are using a 3rd party program. Due process.

Utter non-sense, from a technical and legal standpoint. One can have what one wants on itc PC, it's the client-side and under control of the player, not Anet. But one has to accept the EULA that says: no "modifications" to the client, or ban. One can challenge legaly their means of checking "modifications" (since they don't and can't fully access the client ... and shouldn't!) but I doubt you'll gain anything else. We all paid for the game UNDER THIS EULA, don't like it (meaning the whole process, including the 9x% who play fine and the few rare people who are banned while not being bots, but their accounts are unbanned) then buy another game...

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If you make a potentially incorrect judgment call and it is brought to your attention (as in, no proof is still available), then both apologize for and remove the negative marks from said person's record. Good customer service.

How do you (or we) know that the OP wasn't covering a bot behaviour with this story? (I don't trust or distrust him, but I would rather tend to believe him given the length of his message and the thousands of hours played)

Well put yourselves in Anet's shoes: facing a real "threat" such as bots, you DO NOT assume the best when there's a "bot-like behaviour", because otherwise you'd hurt the whole community (every botter would invent a story ...) It's sad for the OP, and the other ones, but let's hope he's not lost all faith in Anet!

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It's quite simple, really -- there's nothing to argue about. If the OP's story is accurate, then Anet is in the wrong.

The OP should provide a video of himself typing like a bot for several hours in a row, that's THE solution!

Ghost Omel · Aug 22, 2007, 07:01 PM // 19:01

I dont think you have the right to tell some 1 to get a life in my opinion if person wants to acomplish a video game content it doesnmt mean that person has no life you are trieng to acomplish somehitng here dont you you try and acomplish your defence and you sit oinfront of PC right now arenmt you? So any 1 can say go get a life as well get a bike ride instead of defending yourself on a forum against person who you never met before and yet you THREATEN him i think it isnt fair or human like you expressed your opinion and he expresed HIS opinion. I dont know about war things or watever you use around here but you are starting verbal battle for shure

VanDamselx · Aug 22, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Glad to hear you got your account back but I can totally see why it happened. You should always take a break, like go do a mission or quest, or log onto another character altogether and sell those un'ids or something. Of course they're gonna throw loops when you try to get your account back. Why shouldn't they? If someone used a bot, then regretted it and swore on their own life they didn't use one and A-Net just says, "Okay we believe you, your account is unbanned," people would be fuming.

And by the way, for those saying that you could take A-Net to court, I'd love to see you try it because those corporate lawyers will stomp on your ass.

Shiishii Momo · Aug 22, 2007, 08:11 PM // 20:11

/failed

EDIT: happy you got your account back though.

Patrick Smit · Aug 22, 2007, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Darksun

The problem is that bots ARE repetitive behaviour. Most bots just repeat key strokes, so it really is nothing more than repetitive behaviour. 5hrs of the SAME EXACT thing? I think perhapses there is nothing wrong with telling a person to stop doing that....

Its a way to play the game and its not against the EULA. BOTS are not people (small underpayed humans in low wage countries if you thinks so) who do repetitive things my friend, BOTS are software that perform the keystrokes, meaning zoning in, killing mobs, and picking up the loot, zone out, sell loot (probs require human intervention to sift out golds), zone in again.

Its not repetitive behavior that is against the EULA, but it is the use of third party software, and the sales of in game gold for real money that is against the eula. It is more clear now?