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The Great Al · Jun 29, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

Not only the current heroes, but the current professions as a whole? Obviously it won't be just looks...will they have race-specific skills? Will they have some innate bonus? Like maybe the Norns (I think the Norns are the melee fighters) will have an innate armor and attack damage bonus? Also, do you think that however they do differ, will just be a more simplified version of how they will really be in GW2? I think they will probably have to simplify their differences in order to avoid unbalance, and every group JUST using the new heroes. I don't think this has really been discussed..post your thoughts

Series · Jun 29, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

I don't think so. Zhed was a different race and behaved the same. I expect the others to be the same.

The Great Al · Jun 29, 2007, 05:24 PM // 17:24

I think that's a little different..these guys are being advertised as being from a different race...after all, they're trying to give us a feel of GW2. if they're not at ALL different from the current heroes/players, that'd be a big disappointment.

assassin_of_ni · Jun 29, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

i think the only difference is that they wont be able to transfer disease amongst the other players lol

The Great Al · Jun 29, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

I was even thinking, that the Asurans would maybe have something like, an innate skills recharge 20% faster, or for an ele, +1 to all elemental attributes...but if something like that were to happen, I guess it'd render all of the other heroes of that profession useless.

Mordakai · Jun 29, 2007, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

I was even thinking, that the Asurans would maybe have something like, an innate skills recharge 20% faster, or for an ele, +1 to all elemental attributes...but if something like that were to happen, I guess it'd render all of the other heroes of that profession useless.

No, I don't think so.

I think Races will be like new Professions in GW 2: They'll have unique skills, but hopefully not unique abilities so that the only way you could make an effective Ele was to make an Asuran Ele.

That would be the worse idea of all time.

Hopefully the GWEN heroes will have unique skills to show off some of the things to expect in GW2.

Dev121 · Jun 29, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

If anet dont sort out the crappy AI , then it doesnt matter how many heroes they have . Quality over Quantity.

MSecorsky · Jun 29, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

I wonder if there could be a plus/minus thing here? For example, Norn may have more health and deal more damage in melee but be susceptible to additional damage from spells... something to balance out any buffs? It opens the door to a whole new world of balancing issues, but just a thought.

The Great Al · Jun 29, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

No, I don't think so.

I think Races will be like new Professions in GW 2: They'll have unique skills, but hopefully not unique abilities so that the only way you could make an effective Ele was to make an Asuran Ele.

That would be the worse idea of all time.

Hopefully the GWEN heroes will have unique skills to show off some of the things to expect in GW2.

It'd be 'the worst idea of all time' that's only present in basically every RPG that HAS different classes. You don't make dwarven mages. You don't make melee elves. It just doesn't fit in with their roles. Hopefully there will be enough classes (i'm pretty sure they said that there will be more) such that you don't have to just make an asuran ele...maybe asurans and sylvari will be the casters, and dwarfs and charrs will be for the melee characters.

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I wonder if there could be a plus/minus thing here? For example, Norn may have more health and deal more damage in melee but be susceptible to additional damage from spells... something to balance out any buffs? It opens the door to a whole new world of balancing issues, but just a thought."

This idea is probably most likely; I like it.

Vagrant · Jun 29, 2007, 06:25 PM // 18:25

I don't think the GW1 system will change. They should be standard heroes.

GW2, however, will definitely add racial bonuses, as it has already been mentioned.

Mr. G · Jun 29, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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If anet dont sort out the crappy AI , then it doesnt matter how many heroes they have . Quality over Quantity.

that wasnt even the question.....

assassin_of_ni · Jun 29, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

well if come GW2 if they decided to go full blown WoW replica then certain reaces would get additional resistance to certain forms of magic while others do more dmg vs whatever or another may have more health. while there are obvious benefeits the downfall may be cookie cutter professions under certain races.

assassin_of_ni · Jun 29, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Vagrant

I don't think the GW1 system will change. They should be standard heroes.

GW2, however, will definitely add racial bonuses, as it has already been mentioned.

heh didnt see this post before i posted ^_^

The Great Al · Jun 29, 2007, 07:26 PM // 19:26

it wouldn't be a full blown WoW replica, this is how most standard RPGs are as well.

Mordakai · Jun 29, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Vagrant

I don't think the GW1 system will change. They should be standard heroes.

GW2, however, will definitely add racial bonuses, as it has already been mentioned.

Link please? I missed that piece of news.

As for GWEN heros, the http://pc.ign.com/articles/800/800521p4.html article says this:

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IGN: What are the new heroes like?

Ben Miller: The sexy blonde girl that we're using for all of our marketing, her name is Jora, she's a Norn. You meet her fairly early on in getting to the Far Shiverpeaks and through helping her enact some retribution against a terrible beast that's ravaging the countryside, she'll join you as a hero.

Chris Lye: She's one of the first new race heroes that you get.

Ben Miller: You get to see the Asura hero, there's a dwarf hero that you get right off the bat.

IGN: Jora's the one in the picture with the giant bear behind her?

Ben Miller: That's her. Part of the cool thing about being a Norn is they shapeshift into giant bears.

So, we have confirmed Norn hero Jora with the Shapeshift skill. I would suspect the Asura hero will have a unique skill as well...

EDIT: Why do I think everyone will have Jora, the Asuran and Dwarf hero with them at all times?

The Great Al · Jun 29, 2007, 08:21 PM // 20:21

what would be the point of having classes if there were no racial bonuses? There's more to different races than just different skins. Without a doubt, an asuran ele should be better than a dwarven ele.

aaje vhanli · Jun 29, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Tengu and Charr heroes for the win!

And to stay on topic: Yes, I think that heroes might have race-specific skills because they already said there would be. This might even be coordinated with the PvE-only skills that aNet mentioned that are distributed by the different nations.

MSecorsky · Jun 29, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

So, we have confirmed Norn hero Jora with the Shapeshift skill. I would suspect the Asura hero will have a unique skill as well...

EDIT: Why do I think everyone will have Jora, the Asuran and Dwarf hero with them at all times?

Well... one of them better be able to heal...

lyra_song · Jun 29, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

EoE and Disease need to be rethought then

Mordakai · Jun 29, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

what would be the point of having classes if there were no racial bonuses? There's more to different races than just different skins. Without a doubt, an asuran ele should be better than a dwarven ele.

The difference would be unique skills.

Why should all Asurans be better at Magic?

That seems like a racial stereotype...

(we don't even know if Dwarves will be playable in GW2...)

And if all the different races are better at something, where does that leave Humans?