Curse

fenix · Sep 12, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gattocheese

I'll give you a Gaile Grey quote

"Thank you everyone for your opinions on the Guild Wars Guru Forums. We have worked hard to give you our final product of GWEN. The Devs here are proud of what we have accomplished and so should everyone of you. The reskinning of armors, weapons, and monsters actually make sense for GWEN and fit in with the lore of the land. We do not plan on making any new weapons or armors for GWEN, these are final products. The ressurection shrines in dungeons are there so that all players of all classes may enjoy what GWEN has to offer. HM will be released soon, as of now we do not want to release HM as of yet so that everyone can play the game as it is intended to be. There has been several similar threads for every campaign about concerns for Guild Wars. For most of you, you should actually take the time to explore and get to know GWEN. Then everyone would see the time and effort we put in this expansion for the community."

I am just bored lol. The sentence saying that "the reskins make sense because it fits in with the lore of the land" is an actual statement made by Gaile in her Gaile Talk Forum, what a lame statement. But for the majority, the OP is right and i never have ranted before on the forums until GWEN came out. I care what the future products might hold if i enjoyed the other campaigns and was upset at this new expansion.

Sadly, that's EXACTLY what she will write. For once I would like a real answer, rather than PR crap...

Longasc · Sep 12, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

I agree to the OP. PvP did not get anything, ok... as a PvEer I can live with that.

But I cannot live with the fact that ANet thinks PvE needs no challenges or proper game design. Today I told many people, I have to take a break from GW, it just has become dull. It was never hard, but now it becomes even more repetitive and boring.

Darkrime Delves is/was the most boring gaming experience I had in a while.

FUN seems to be to ride a Siege Devourer and nuke groups of Charr that line up so that I can nuke them all at once. If your friend has the 2nd Devourer, forget about the game.

It is maybe too late, but for GW2 you should ask yourself if you want to make a proper PvP game OR a proper PvE game.

The OP already pointed out, it is impossible to fail in a dungeon, and if you have DP, tadaa, a powerstone takes care of that.
The more I played GWEN, the more i got disappointed. All that looked promising and interesting then suddenly re-appeared copied & pasted. Even the armors, at least some are okay.

But how does this unpolished, unfinished and lazy product called GW:EN fit into the "philosophy" and "vision" of ANet.

You again showed some great ideas, it is almost cruel to see how little you made out of them.

X Cytherea X · Sep 12, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

so Hard Mode IS coming.....! :O

is the OP reading?

Squalus the Ipno · Sep 12, 2007, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

GW isn't for hardcore PvE players, if you are really that unhappy, find another game.

totally agree. Time for me to find another game GL to all

Tijger · Sep 12, 2007, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Sadly, that's EXACTLY what she will write. For once I would like a real answer, rather than PR crap...

Strain already gave that one "Posters on forums dont matter, ignore them as a dev because you can never please them anyway".

Sad thing is, he's right.

Zabe · Sep 12, 2007, 12:59 PM // 12:59

I have been laughing to the same things what the OP is asking. I just wait till someone really answers this, perhaps someone who can deal with problems than some messengers we are sent.

EDIT: Not laughing to the OP, if someone mis understood. I totally sign those things, just laughing to ANet

lyra_song · Sep 12, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijger

Strain already gave that one "Posters on forums dont matter, ignore them as a dev because you can never please them anyway".

Sad thing is, he's right.

He is quite right. How long have you been posting on guru?

max gladius · Sep 12, 2007, 03:01 PM // 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijger

Strain already gave that one "Posters on forums dont matter, ignore them as a dev because you can never please them anyway".

Sad thing is, he's right.

Noone expects every player to be happy.... but it really looks as if every player is pissed.....

I said it before and I say it again....

Anet hired some Microsoft employees for development of GWEN... it will be ready for release some time next month....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guild Wars: User Agreement

Last Modified August 2007

(b) YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT ANY ATTEMPT TO MAKE ANY CHARGE BACK OR OTHERWISE RECLAIM OR OBTAIN A REFUND OF OR A CREDIT AGAINST ANY FEES PAID WITHOUT FIRST CLOSING YOUR GAME ACCOUNT OR HAVING OBTAINED NC INTERACTIVE'S PRIOR WRITTEN CONSENT TO SUCH REFUND SHALL ENTITLE NC INTERACTIVE TO DEACTIVATE YOUR GAME ACCOUNT AND OTHER ACCOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH METHOD OF PAYMENT UNLESS AND/OR UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE FEES ARE REPAID OR A CREDIT OR REFUND IS AGREED WITH NC INTERACTIVE. DEACTIVATION WILL INCLUDE, NOT ONLY THE NEW CAMPAIGN AND/OR ADDITIONAL FEATURES IN RELATION TO WHICH THE RECHARGE, REFUND OR CREDIT WAS OBTAINED, BUT ALSO ALL ACCESS TO THE SERVICE INCLUDING PREVIOUSLY PURCHASED CAMPAIGNS AND/OR ADDITIONAL FEATURES AND OTHER ACCOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH METHOD OF PAYMENT. YOU FURTHER AGREE THAT THE NEW CAMPAIGNS AND/OR ADDITIONAL FEATURES FORM PART OF THE SERVICE AND ARE DELIVERED 'UNSEALED' AUTOMATICALLY UPON RECEIPT OF THE FEES AND THEREFORE YOU HAVE NO CANCELLATION RIGHTS (SAVE FOR A WILFULL ERROR OR FAULT WITH THE NEW CAMPAIGNS AND/OR ADDITIONAL FEATURES WHICH IS REPORTED IMMEDIATELY TO NC INTERACTIVE).

(c) NC Interactive reserves the right to alter the fees payable for new Campaigns and/or Additional Features or introduce alternative fee structures for the Service. Any alteration to the purchase price will be posted on the Web Site at least 30 days prior to such alteration taking effect. If you do not agree to any such alteration, you should not purchase the new Campaign and/or Additional Features and/or you should terminate your Account prior to the date on which the alteration takes effect, otherwise the revised amount will automatically be debited to your Account.

Funny how they added this right before GWEN came out... kinda like, they knew ppl were gonna ask for money back.... weird...

/ponders

mr_groovy · Sep 12, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Okay, so if we're bringing lore into the equation, how come the Asuran warrior armor has the exact same shape as that of the Ascended Kurzick armor? Do they still one another's plans or something? Same with Assassin Ascended armor, did they steal the plans?

Please don't quote other people and tell them gaile posted it as she hasn't posted in here.It was a hypothetical what if gaile would post, what would she post, post. (I was actually get excited to see what Gaile has to say

)

Sha Noran · Sep 12, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

Those of you saying that people on forums do not represent the majority and that dev's shouldn't bother listening to forumites are sadly misinformed. One of the primary job's of a PR or CR from a gaming company is to connect with the game's community through forums. Do you think they made accounts here on Guild Wars Guru to look up builds? Hardly. The condecending things this community has grown accustomed to dealing with from ANet staff is not how a company usually strives to interact with it's leading forum communities.

Quote:

Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

so Hard Mode IS coming.....! :O

is the OP reading?

There was never any doubt in my mind that hard mode was "coming." The question is when.

There have been plenty of things in the past that they have indicated were "coming" that then either didn't show up for months, or didn't show up at all. Remember how they were cooking up an immediate fix to allow players into The Deep and Urgoz' Warren without requiring the aid of a capitol city player (a "taxi")? That wasn't released until the Nightfall campaign was almost immediately on everyone's mind, months and months later. I could list more examples, but this one came to mind, and is ideal because it deals with "elite content" that the average Joe player wanted to be granted access to.

If I were ANet and I had built the product the way they did theirs, I would hold Hard Mode back for at least six months. This content has to carry people all the way to Guild Wars 2 (in their business model) and it's going to be easily another two years before GW2 release.

I don't really care how long the wait is, but a direct answer or estimate from ANet would be a huge leap in the right direction as far as community relations. The ball is in their court, but so far it looks like they don't even want to play.

Malice Black · Sep 12, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sha Noran

Those of you saying that people on forums do not represent the majority and that dev's shouldn't bother listening to to forumites are sadly misinformed. One of the primary job's of a PR or CR from a gaming company is to connect with the game's community through forums. Do you think they made accounts here on Guild Wars Guru to look up builds? Hardly.

True.

However...the vast majority of players don't post, and Anet will always favor the vast majority over the vocal minority.

zwei2stein · Sep 12, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cacheelma

So basically we should CARE about how the designers have run out of ideas?

People buy GWEN more or less because they see "40 new armors". They are not wrong AT ALL to expect something cool out of the game.

Let me ask you this: You buy something in real life expecting to get something as stated on the box. But then when you open the box you find out that it's not quite what you expect, despite the fact that you don't expect anything beyond what the box says and your past experience with the products to begin with.

What would you say? Would you go "Oh. I understand. The company must not has enough resource/time/idea/whatever to do any better. I guess I'll have to take it as it is and buy another box when it's out"?

I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. And this isn't any different.

I am not defending anet here.

But anyone who played gw for past two years with open eyes should have known how anet does stuff: They tend to create huge buzz, but they deliver late and what they give you is underwhelming.

Did you really have enough faith in them to produce good armors?

Only reason we have 18 dugeons and 40 armor sets is because someone was stupid and mentioned numbers to public. Since then then couldnt silently down numbers and axe lets inspired designs.

beanerman_99 · Sep 12, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punjabi

Well it was a good post, better than what I usually see on these forums. And I agree partially. I was thinking, oh 20sum dungeons= 20sum Underworlds/FoW COUNT ME IN. I was expecting them to be hard to where you felt good about beating it. i admit I have fun in the dungeons now but id like them harder.

At the same time I am conflicted with you, the arour is reskined? What else do you want a higher Al so the unbalnce you speak of becomes even more so? Not everyone can afford to rush out and buy gwen to get the better stats you speak of. Remember everything in every game must be balanced because of the link between them.
When I started GW I knew PvP was supposed to be the mainstay of the game and this was true. Before factions, nightfall, and gwen all we had for pve was the story line, Fow, and UW for things to do. We had no titles to work for, no green weapons to go hunt. The PvE was really limited as a game and after you finished the PvE side you either took up PvP or got bored and left.
The GW team has done a TREMENDOUS job at Implementing a new PvE aspect of the game. You say Guildwars is not catering to the PvE player because they have money in the bank they have no need to. Now that is true but they also want to release new games and have success with them as well right? You can't expect people to support you if you have no support. Anet does not hold an MMO monopoly and has a huge battle to fight to earn players into their game vs. another MMO.
I don't know what more they can do to turn an Pvp based game more into pve without doing what they are doing. I think you will see GW2 to be much more Pve based as the team knows now that a huge player base of Pve players wants to play guild wars. You can't just take the model a game was build on and change it up so darsticaly the game dosen't even fit with what it says on the box. That is why they are making GW2, if you read you will see they decided to make GW2 to make their system better for all players and to have a more versatile, longer lasting game than the origional game alows for.

So you do have valid points when it comes to Gwen, it is debateable on the difficulty of the game but you do need to remeber all of the people that are not as good as you, maybe that play the game casualy, why leave someone out because he can only play 1 hour a day and dosen't have time to get all the greatest skills, builds, weapons, and armour.
But trying to say the play system is flawed and that theuy provide no support is kind of outrageous imo. I don't know what more you could want them to do. If the game style is not what you like then maybe it is time to find a new game for a while and check back in a year or two and see if it has changed in your favor. There are a LOT more people enjoying the game than disliking it. The dev teams can see every player that comes on and off they can see when they have the most users playing and when they have a lul. The guild wars world is a closely monitored world and you can bet expansions like gwen were designed around the majority of what game researchers thought players would want. Their job is not to make you happy their job is to make money, unfortunatly for them making you happy is something that must happen to make money. Think of it as an annoyance for them not a will.

So on an end note, do i agree with most of the things you said? Hell Yes! I am just trying to show the cold hard facts of how it all really works and why it can't really be any other way right now.

one of the best post in this thread. Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter

I do agree with you, especially the part I put in bold.

VitisVinifera · Sep 12, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31

wow, Gaile actually stated that reskins are there because they fit in the story. That's got to be one of the top lines of BS to come from her. That's just pathetic. That one needs to be preserved.

Malice Black · Sep 12, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

wow, Gaile actually stated that reskins are there because they fit in the story. That's got to be one of the top lines of BS to come from her. That's just pathetic. That one needs to be preserved.

I agree with Gaile.

Why don't they fit in with the story? It makes sense that Droknar greens are items that dropped in Chapter 1 etc

GW:EN is just an exspansion of Chapter1. Everyone who was expecting brand new everything were sadly deluding themselves.

mr_groovy · Sep 12, 2007, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

wow, Gaile actually stated that reskins are there because they fit in the story. That's got to be one of the top lines of BS to come from her. That's just pathetic. That one needs to be preserved.

Please Read All Posts thank you very much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GattoCheese

I'll give you a Gaile Grey quote

"Thank you everyone for your opinions on the Guild Wars Guru Forums. We have worked hard to give you our final product of GWEN. The Devs here are proud of what we have accomplished and so should everyone of you. The reskinning of armors, weapons, and monsters actually make sense for GWEN and fit in with the lore of the land. We do not plan on making any new weapons or armors for GWEN, these are final products. The ressurection shrines in dungeons are there so that all players of all classes may enjoy what GWEN has to offer. HM will be released soon, as of now we do not want to release HM as of yet so that everyone can play the game as it is intended to be. There has been several similar threads for every campaign about concerns for Guild Wars. For most of you, you should actually take the time to explore and get to know GWEN. Then everyone would see the time and effort we put in this expansion for the community."

I am just bored lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryantAgain

Gaile Quote

Please Read posts don't skim them and make a Gaile Quote because people will get confused.

Would the Real Gaile please stand up, and bless this thread with her smile. (Just some info would be nice too

)

*Edit Crap even mods can't see the difference any more

Loviatar · Sep 12, 2007, 06:08 PM // 18:08

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sha Noran

... Or so I had thought. Upon the release of GW:EN, I was greeted by disappointment after disappointment rather than the challenges and content I had not only been expecting, but had been promised. According to all the advertising and information you released about the expansion, it was going to be a high end area, designed for only the better players, where the risks would be made worth it by the rewards.

You lied.

you are not just wrong but provably wrong.

what they stated was GWEN is a level 20 content expansion with no beginners level up area

to you level 20 content can only be DOA/HARD MODE/ELITE and you were bitterly disappointed that level 20 content was only level 20 content.

NO WHERE DID THEY STATE GWEN WAS GOING TO BE AN ELITE GIANT HARD ZONE BEST PLAYERS ONLY EXPANSION AS THAT WOULD CUT SALES TO ZILCH WOULDNT IT.

they did not lie.

you saying they lied is the lie

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Sep 12, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

I guess ultimatly there are 3 reasons why people are so disappointed with GWEN imo.

1. The armor isn't new, in fact its nothing that couldn't already be done by players with texmod... very disappointing.
2. Relatively short when you don't grind each of the 4 races titles even if you do all 18 dungeons.
3. HoM has proven to be dissapointing to the community for various reasons.

All are founded thoughts. Anyone who doesn't agree that SOME (at the very least) changes need to be made is either blindly standing by GWEN or was expecting a poor game already.

Tijger · Sep 12, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by max gladius

Noone expects every player to be happy.... but it really looks as if every player is pissed.....

I said it before and I say it again....

Anet hired some Microsoft employees for development of GWEN... it will be ready for release some time next month....

Uh, I'm not pissed, my wife isnt, my guildies arent, my friends arent. Sure, we have our gripes but all this boohoo'ing is extremely exagerrated and is caused by people basing expectations on pure fantasy instead of reality. How many posters are actually pissed?

Right, like Microsoft Studios produces such incredibly bad games

Malice Black · Sep 12, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I'm content tbh but then I'm no more then a casual player at best. I have my issues with certain things, but overall I don't feel hard done by.