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counciler132 · Sep 20, 2007, 07:41 AM // 07:41

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

This isnt socialism, this isnt capitalism.

This is guild wars.

Anet controls Guild Wars. Therefore they control the economy. If they dont like how the economy is doing, theyll do something about it. You dont have a choice bucko.

Sorry, had to do it...

Fril Estelin · Sep 20, 2007, 08:11 AM // 08:11

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Originally Posted by counciler132

Sorry, had to do it...

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Shakkara · Sep 20, 2007, 08:21 AM // 08:21

This is not like socialism.

Socialism would be having guilds borrowing items to its members and those items being put to use for the guild to bring in more wealth for all. As long as people are still demanding money in return for their items, money that goes in their private pockets, it isn't socialism.

Definition from wikipedia:

Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that envisage a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community[1] for the purposes of increasing social and economic equality and cooperation. This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state or community ownership of the means of production.

Bale_Shadowscar · Sep 20, 2007, 08:34 AM // 08:34

The OP makes it out that he needs all this money. Frankly, I can't see what you need a high rate of income for these days.

Dark Paladin X · Sep 20, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Sorry about that, I often don't really complain much on the economy. But one thing I like about Guild Wars is that at least there isn't hyper-inflation unlike Runescape (yes, hyper-inflation is crazy there, a very helmet costs around 45 mil, which would equal of 100k+150 ectos in guild wars standard).

Other than that, I often see noobs advertising money exchange or Runescape money for GW money (or selling Runescape accounts), although this is less common.

Dr Strangelove · Sep 20, 2007, 10:35 AM // 10:35

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Originally Posted by Bale_Shadowscar

The OP makes it out that he needs all this money. Frankly, I can't see what you need a high rate of income for these days.

Oppressing the proletariat like the filthy capitalist bourgeoisie he is? Viva la resistance!

Seriously though, OP is a 'tard.

Dark Paladin X · Sep 20, 2007, 10:38 AM // 10:38

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Originally Posted by counciler132

Sorry, had to do it...

lol, that is so funny here.

But I'm not saying that GW economy sucks or anything, I just disdain ANet on nerfing farming builds. At least we do manage to go around their obstacles.

I'm just stating how many noobs often complain about the economy on the first time. People have different styles of making money. I farm elite tomes, and maybe others do UW or ToPk for ectos and obsidian shards. When I was noob, I felt doomed on unable to make money, but I went to look at different builds to test things out.

Effendi Westland · Sep 20, 2007, 10:45 AM // 10:45

Old situation:
-farmers were rich
-endgame content players (in groups) were moderately rich (unless they farmed it)
-avarge guild wars player was poor
-runes/dyes/ectos/shards costed lots more then now

New situation
-farmers are poor to moderatly rich
-avarage guild wars player is poor to moderately rich
-endgame content players are rich
-prices of almost everything is low

lucifer_uk · Sep 20, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

I've played Runescape (a crappy MMORPG using java engine) before, and the economy is highly capitalistic (not to mention the high inflation rate) and there are many ways you can make money there without going into combat.

That's why I hope we get other things in GW2, such as fishing.

Theus · Sep 20, 2007, 11:11 AM // 11:11

You're all wrong.

Clearly Guild Wars Economy is clearly communism!

Winterclaw · Sep 20, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36

The GW economy is a combonation of luck (getting good drops ina timely manner) and haggling. Until GWEN decided to take the luck out of picks and chests that is.

Ms Utena Tenjou · Sep 20, 2007, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

Game Economy has sucked from day 1. Its never been an issue they've ever addressed. They wont address whatever is fubar with it now. I dont know exactly, I got tired of its ridiculousness long ago, so I just merch everything and stay far far away from dis1 in any major city.
PERIOD.

IMHO : maybe they should jump on the "buy our gold on our anet/ncsoft website here and lets ditch our sub contracting asian bots that we know nothing of move."

Onarik Amrak · Sep 20, 2007, 11:42 AM // 11:42

It's more like an economy run by a despot.

Crom The Pale · Sep 20, 2007, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Ive never understood why people have trouble making money here.

All it takes is time, if I could make money in the real world as fast and easy as in a game I'd be called Bill Gates.

Simple task of building lots of money: Pick a map with lots of foes and a merchant on it(Varajar Fells - 425+merchant) Take a party of 6-8 Hero/hench depending on your skill. Clear everything on the map, pick up and merchant everything save gold/purple items. Salvage mods or sell items as is if there good enough. Repeat.

Now I'm sorry if this won't net you 100K a day, but then if it was that easy then every item in GW would cost 100K + 250Ectos/Rubys/Onyx.

There is nothing in GW that can't be aquired simply by playing the game.
Max Armor - collectors or craft for 1-15K
Max Weapons/Items - collectors or craft for 5K
Greens - kill boss repeatedly
Rare skins - clear maps where they drop repeatedly.

In the end it all comes down to Time and a little bit of Luck.

freekedoutfish · Sep 20, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

For some reason, I'm beginning to feel that the GW economy is being more socialist and the Anet wants to completely control the economy and judge who will be rich and who will be poor. Here are my observations over the past year:

One of the biggest nerfs of all time was the loot scaling nerf after the introduction of HM. The economy went into haywire and most people aren't getting much cash as they used to before. Farmers went off complaining they aren't getting ectos and greens as much as before (later, ANet decided to exclude those items from the scale as well as tomes, scrolls, dyes, holiday stuff, and gold items, but they don't drop as much as before). Other nerfs in the past included adding Scarabs in Crystal Desert to preven Minotaur farming, the nerf of spirit bond, nerfs in the Underworld (thank god we manage to foil this). And oh yeah, foes fleeing from AoE damage was one of the biggest nerfs. And not only that, many greens are hard to sell (well, expect totem axe, Rago's Flame Staff, and Galigord's Stone Staff, which there aren't many solo builds that are capable to doing so).
.....

Loot scaling = boohoo, you can still make enough gold to live on just by doing quests and missions.

I usually start with 0g and somehow, magically make enough to get two sets of 15k armor in GWEN in just 2 weeks! Hmmmm..... bad, naughty loot scaling!

Look how youve damaged my ability to make gold!! tut tut!!

Creatures running away from AoE!! God forbid the creatures have some intelligence. Damn Anet for not making them dumn enough to farm! tut tut!!

It really annoys me when people talk about GWs like its impossible to make gold, and buy anything. Get real!! There are more then enough ways to make gold ingame, via quests and dungeons and missions and so on and on!

Loot scaling has done F'all to damage stuff!!

Just because you want more gold then the average player to buy lots and lots of nice stuff, to then trade and make yourself rich...

...well I dont care!

I manage fine and I can afford nice armor and weapons and so on, so why you cant you?

Griff Mon · Sep 20, 2007, 02:24 PM // 14:24

No, you have to do the "Worship the Hillarybeast Quest" and after proper worship, signing over 70% of your gold forever, you will receive the "eternal healthcare" skill which is really great. You activate it and six monthes later you get an appointment for healing with your monk, but it is free.

Then the guild wars economy will truly be socialist.

Sorry- this thread has taken on political tones, so I am joining in, in the worst way possible.

Monk Solaris · Sep 20, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54

This topic still going?

Socialism would be better. What would we get in capitlaism? Some brain damaged president of anet logging in to guildwars every few weeks. Shouting about freedom and democracy as towns have dying players not able to get the over priced health care.

Then for some reason the for mentioned president invades world of warcraft to liberate it.

EternalTempest · Sep 20, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19

It's an MMO. ALL mmo's try to control the economy to combat "inflation".

The Only reason why this is done is to prevent items getting to pricey for new users turning them off or preventing the encourgement of gold buying.

Final Fantasy XI (that has user auction house even + crafting) had it so bad that low level equipment costs millions of gold. This until they started doing mass ban's and actively montier transactions.

Divinitys Creature · Sep 20, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

You guys are getting trained real well.

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 20, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Coming from the new player side of the spectrum I'm going to tell the OP to stop being so lazy and do some farming. I've made plenty of gold from farming. It's not hard.