Curse

Folken ~oOo~ · Sep 19, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by Hyper.nl

If you want the armor, go work for it.

Freakin ! Most people do not know what work and job are ...

We are in a game, dammit ! Make it fun !

In my job, i never do any reccurent tasks. I have always to use my brain for new solutions.
Having to farm does brainwash and makes players stupid ... but at last sexy with their new armor so they ... "look like" roxxors. Yeah realy lame ...
now, shiny and sexy armors are at last proof of that.

TabascoSauce · Sep 19, 2007, 11:10 AM // 11:10

See Folken, these people are really confused.

Work (Noun) Exertion or effort directed to produce or accomplish something; labor; toil.

Game (Noun) An amusement or pastime

I can quote another, who sums the situation up perfectly:

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Originally Posted by Zubrowka

Grinders are basically workaholics. They think they're playing a game but what they really want is a work simulator. Getting "rewards" for time and labor spent--that's the very definition of work. There's no way you can get around that. If you want be "rewarded" from spending time in a game, then it's no longer a game: it is work. Real gamers don't want work. They play games to have fun. The diconomy presented by the OP between hardcore gamers vs. casual ones is bogus. People don't want to grind not because they're casual. They don't want to grind because it's freaking stupid.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Folken ~oOo~ · Sep 19, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

Thanks, nothing less ... nothing more ...

Bryant Again · Sep 19, 2007, 12:39 PM // 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Folken ~oOo~

Freakin ! Most people do not know what work and job are ...
We are in a game, dammit ! Make it fun !

In my job, i never do any reccurent tasks. I have always to use my brain for new solutions.
Having to farm does brainwash and makes players stupid ... but at last sexy with their new armor so they ... "look like" roxxors. Yeah realy lame ...
now, shiny and sexy armors are at last proof of that.

You don't really *have* to work for the armors as much as you have to *wait*. Just by playing through the game and havin' fun and saving up your cash, you should be able to net enough moolahs to buy a set of high-end armor. Going to slow? Try out farming, and if it's not fun then don't push yourself to keep doing it. You may just like it, though.

That's my thought on the "grind" for armors. Regarding the title grind I'd uh, rather not get roped up into this too much...

Folken ~oOo~ · Sep 21, 2007, 02:13 PM // 14:13

I just want to add that farming is not fun ...
Playing with pals should be the main topic in the game, but wth ...

It is becoming like a real Corean MMORP ... lets hope it wont be the modele for GW2.
After ending the chapter, we should have time to GvG or going with other characters too ...

rista blodorn · Sep 21, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

I think the ultimate indicator on this will be how long it holds the interest of the player base. I can tell you that for myself after playing GW for two years GWEN managed to hold my interest for about two weeks. I still play once a week maybe but after finishing up the main story line this game simply cannot hold my interest for more then about an hour. I was thinking about getting some armor for one of my characters but I simply cannot summon the interest to want to spend the time to earn the appropriate ally rank.

I am big fan of GW so I hope GWEN does real well for ANET, but I am afraid that people will bail on this expansion very quickly.

Nodensis · Sep 22, 2007, 02:33 AM // 02:33

After reading a large amount of flames on this, would like to express my opinion about this.

The 10/15k armor is so insanely easy to get (if you finish the game+sell end-game item, you have bout 40k), it was simply no contest any more to get any armor (except fissure).
Now, with the title grind, it shows you WANT the armor and willing to put time into it. On this note, I'm not an awesome player, and it took me bout 4 hours for norn armor and 7 hours for monument armor. When i see someone with this armor, I know he took the same effort in getting it and I'll respect it. It's not a very long time, it's not a hardcore grind, but yes, it takes some time.

Remember: It's not the accomplishment we enjoy, it's the journey towards it.

(btw, I still think A-net ripped me off with GWeN, but that's a quantity-thing, not a quality-thing)

AuraofMana · Sep 22, 2007, 08:46 AM // 08:46

Again, it depends on how much you want the armor. If you want the armor but don't want to spend the time and effort to get it, obviously you don't want it enough. Well then you won't get it. The end. If you want it, go spend time grinding for the title. In fact, instead of spending your time whining and flaming on the forum, why don't you just grind for the title? At least that will get you closer to your armor.

The Little Viking · Sep 23, 2007, 07:57 AM // 07:57

Grinding for titles...i belive that they are trying to get us used to the process for GW2....lvl 100+ = massive time consuming boardom. But oh well...it seems to be what the creators of the game wants for us. Personally, im already board with just getting my GWEN titles to level 5. And thats fallowing the story line. And no, I do not want the armor from GWEN. Havent seen any I like.
Im really not looking forward to bringing my other charicters over. The only reason I will is to have a variety of charicters for the dungeons, which I love.

lord dragon · Sep 23, 2007, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by The Little Viking

Grinding for titles...i belive that they are trying to get us used to the process for GW2....lvl 100+ = massive time consuming boardom. But oh well...it seems to be what the creators of the game wants for us. Personally, im already board with just getting my GWEN titles to level 5. And thats fallowing the story line. And no, I do not want the armor from GWEN. Havent seen any I like.
Im really not looking forward to bringing my other charicters over. The only reason I will is to have a variety of charicters for the dungeons, which I love.

Did my Ranger first. He went through the game to see what it was like. The rest of the characters I just could not fathom to do as it was just not worth the time.

When someone in the guild or alliance need a different character for an area, I let them run me there so I can assist. I just can't bring myself to play this. Way to boring an area. I did say an area, because GWEN really isn't a game, just an area.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Folken ~oOo~ · Sep 25, 2007, 01:13 PM // 13:13

i was not talking about the armors in the end ...
I am more focused on the skills and on the fact you have to farm points to get those efficient ... else, i dont see any interest in an half-effective skill.
Btw, you have to finish quests to get those : i dont see the point why ANet want us to farm points to get the skills effective.

On the original GW's way of thinking, you had to use a "complete" skill wisely to get it effective. GW was all about lvl20 thinking hard to pass challenges.
Like i said, farming and grinding are neither fun nor intelligent ... and certainly no proof people playing well / being qualified good player.

Nong Berry Pop · Sep 26, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Elisa

LMAO! You sir/madam, win this thread.

Really, who gives about the grind. Either do it or don't. You don't HAVE to. Least its something to do and gets you a decent amount of cash.

sm5 · Sep 26, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

I think the best way for Anet to stop this whole grind mess is to up the mini-games they have (in other words, give an alternative to killing stuff mindlessly). I think if they cut the Norn Tournament 100g cost, add a "defend the Eye" repeatable mission, and do something with Polymock a lot more people would be happier.

iridescentfyre · Sep 26, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by Folken ~oOo~

Freakin ! Most people do not know what work and job are ...

We are in a game, dammit ! Make it fun !

In my job, i never do any reccurent tasks. I have always to use my brain for new solutions.
Having to farm does brainwash and makes players stupid ... but at last sexy with their new armor so they ... "look like" roxxors. Yeah realy lame ...
now, shiny and sexy armors are at last proof of that.

You have to grind to get Obsidian armor, you have to grind to get Kurzick and Luxon armor, and you even have to grind (albeit less) to get the 75k for normal Elite armors. No one has yet to explain to me why this issue about grinding has only now become a problem worthy of devoting most of the posts on an entire section of the forums to.

I have a part-time job and spend almost 10 hours at my college every day. Still I got my Norn armor in just a few days, and just playing through the storyline gets you to 3 or 4 without even trying. That's plenty to use most of the linked PvE skills. Not only is this only one of many grinds in Guild Wars, its considerably easier and faster than most.

lord dragon · Sep 26, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Nong Berry Pop

LMAO! You sir/madam, win this thread.

Really, who gives about the grind. Either do it or don't. You don't HAVE to. Least its something to do and gets you a decent amount of cash.

We are talking about the same GWEN right?

Either my luck was bad when I played it, or the drops have dramatically changed. Last time I checked it was non max white drops and non max purple drops.

I think, if I am going to randomly kill, I will go to areas that will at least pay me for my lockpick occasionally with decent loot.l

lord dragon · Sep 26, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

You have to grind to get Obsidian armor, you have to grind to get Kurzick and Luxon armor, and you even have to grind (albeit less) to get the 75k for normal Elite armors. No one has yet to explain to me why this issue about grinding has only now become a problem worthy of devoting most of the posts on an entire section of the forums to.

I have a part-time job and spend almost 10 hours at my college every day. Still I got my Norn armor in just a few days, and just playing through the storyline gets you to 3 or 4 without even trying. That's plenty to use most of the linked PvE skills. Not only is this only one of many grinds in Guild Wars, its considerably easier and faster than most.

Grind is grind. It was the lack of ideas and content that they needed to add grind. When you don't have content, ideas, inspiration or a good product, you introduce grind in it for the ones that like grind.

For the rest of us, grind is not work or fun. It is mindless drible.

Iceciro · Sep 26, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

I do think the awnser to this is simply to add in proper rewards for high-level quests -and maybe some new Master level quests - an expert mission designed for 12 people that is very tough and requires a lot of coordination, but pays off a TON of faction, would be very nice.

The problem isn't really the required faction insomuch as the rewards for clearing a zone of critters and for doing a long epic quest are skewed - zone clearing is the easier way, which is the real creator of grind.

Those of you who are whining about the PvE only skills, though, can go cry in a corner for all I care. If it was PvP you'd have a case, but as it stands either
1) they have a better rank than you and use thier skills with you on your team, helping you to advance through X faster, or
2) they have a better rank than you, and their party gets through X faster, not that you'd ever know.

This is PvE. Instead of whining about thier skills, be happy - no one needs those skills, and at least you didn't grind up soely to have an unessecary crutch.

[email protected] · Sep 26, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Playing Guild Wars was fun because there was no time consuming grinding, not all of us players can waste hours and hours just to get an armor or the title that will make you cool, i started playing guild wars because of the skill and skill should be all that matters in this game.
Since nightfall titles have been only for repetitive grinders who farm points over and over again, where´s the fun with that?

trielementz · Sep 27, 2007, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

You have to grind to get Obsidian armor, you have to grind to get Kurzick and Luxon armor, and you even have to grind (albeit less) to get the 75k for normal Elite armors.

Possibly because they weren't the only armors in that particular campaign? And you are right about the 75k. Now for EotN, we have (high cost) + (rank requirement). Double grind. Hopefully this answers your question.

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

I have a part-time job and spend almost 10 hours at my college every day. Still I got my Norn armor in just a few days, and just playing through the storyline gets you to 3 or 4 without even trying.

It is not the length of time spent that defines grind. Nobody complained that elite cathan can only be gotten at the end of an entire campaign. It's what you have to do to get the armors. Level 4 doesn't get you the armors. You have to hunt.. and when you have multiple characters...

lord dragon · Sep 27, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

For those that don't think there is a lot of grind, please start seeing the reviews in the press. Even they are talking about the grind and how bad it is.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.