Curse

odly · Sep 25, 2007, 08:00 AM // 08:00

I suspect that Anet's exuse for this is that if you're good enough to get rank 8 you shouldn't need the morale boosts.

The real reason of course being that they stop the blessings to avoid anyone getting beyond rank 8 before they bring us HM. The fact that you don't get the morale boosts is just a side effect.

Uber Mass · Sep 25, 2007, 08:04 AM // 08:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirageMaster

screw HM and all those who use it.

some people love to play in HM.... I love HM cause its humans>heroes/hench... and i like some challenge...

and for the discussion about being a "good" player... adjust to the situation makes you a "good" player.

tmakinen · Sep 25, 2007, 08:04 AM // 08:04

Well, it all comes down to the definition of "good"

If a player needs constant morale boosts to be able to crawl through a dungeon even after having done it several times before, then I would argue that a better assessment of the skill level would be "barely passable". I wouldn't have done Frostmaw's with my survivor if there had been any realistic chance of getting some penalty time, and I only consider myself a "reasonably good" player.

I fail to see it as a punishment, either. Would you claim that good players are punished because post-searing Ascalon is a much more dangerous place than pre, and now that you're graduated you cannot continue frolicking around the hills without getting nasty DP?

Charr · Sep 25, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

a. Doing dungeons doesn't make you a good player. I did the exact same thing you did. Doesn't make me good. GG.

b. HM ftw? (When it comes)

Then what makes you a good PvE player, going over to Wiki and doing DoA with a premade build?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmakinen

I wouldn't have done Frostmaw's with my survivor if there had been any realistic chance of getting some penalty time, and I only consider myself a "reasonably good" player.

Oh yes, because there is no way that Frostmaw Spawn will appear out of nowhere and cast Wurm Bile on your tightly packed h/h team folowed by FoC, and there is no chance that the NPC following you will RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up your argo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Sidewinder

To the OP, if you're as good as you think you are then you shouldn't need the morale boost. If you still need it, then you have made enough money to buy a consumable or two.

Oh ok, then player with over 800k in there storage shouldn't get any loot because they don't need it, but see here's the trick they want that money just in case they think of buying some more expensive item just like I want my Morale Boost so I would have some room for errors.

Frozy · Sep 25, 2007, 11:19 AM // 11:19

There should be a special blessing on R8, giving you only the Morale Boosts and nothing else... but it's Anet we're talking about

Folken ~oOo~ · Sep 25, 2007, 11:22 AM // 11:22

Prices are going beyond sanity because of some people buying GW Gold with real money.
Poor students and children ... is it alright to get your ass into farming while people are enjoying normally the game because they got really quickly their items ? Death to stupid prices ... it makes everybody "working" like robots (arabian word meaning slave, by the way ...).

tmakinen · Sep 25, 2007, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charr

Oh yes, because there is no way that Frostmaw Spawn will appear out of nowhere and cast Wurm Bile on your tightly packed h/h team folowed by FoC, and there is no chance that the NPC following you will RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up your argo.

And here I thought that after two or three rounds of Frostmaw's it would be kind of obvious where the spawns are lurking, and if you feel inclined to tread carefully, sweep any patrols before triggering the wurms. And besides, I think that a single bile got through during the entire run, didn't see any FoCs. You know, interrupts are there for a reason and Margrid is your best friend (or Pyre if you prefer furries

).

And the word 'robot' comes from Czech.

Antheus · Sep 25, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22

Quote:

And my strongest point is that the bounties and random bonus is fun. When my character leveled out in Nightfall it took a great amout of the fun out of the game. And I see the same thing happenig here. Once I cannot get the bounties I just start to get bored. So if you must take the points away leave the boost and the random bonus . Or if you must level out of the title tracks have it switch to experience. So the bounties would be the same but instead of Norn or Sunspear have it just be Experience. You get +1 experience for killing a Charr. That way we all get to enjoy a very fun aspect of the game when ever we use it.

Congratulations. You've grinded to the highest level. Please start a new character.

This is the nonsense that comes with grind. After you're done, you realize you've wasted your entire playtime, and that the game is empty and has no real content.

But people mock those who say that grind shouldn't be in GW, that the game was better before grind was there, before mindless killing was the only content.

You've just summed up what GW:EN is about - grind. Nothing more, nothing less. Of course, plenty knew that from the day preview was open.

These titles are a time sink to hide the fact that there's nothing else to do.

Faer · Sep 25, 2007, 12:37 PM // 12:37

ITT we post why Good Players should have handicaps imposed on them so that morale boosts are actually desirable.

RDYGO!

Seriously, just wait until Hard Mode, and never touch Normal Mode again. You aren't being crippled by the lack of a crutch you shouldn't need. The crutch is what cripples you in the first place.

Additionally...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charr

Then what makes you a good PvE player

Certainly not this kind of thing:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charr

Oh yes, because there is no way that Frostmaw Spawn will appear out of nowhere and cast Wurm Bile on your tightly packed h/h team folowed by FoC, and there is no chance that the NPC following you will RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up your argo.

puffzilla · Sep 25, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

I went through all the dungeons and then maxed the title out in the secret lair of the snowmen. I kind of like the fact there's a cap right. I've been a little too title obsessed so having caps and having to wait on hm is giving me time to bring other chars through GWEN.

Keithark · Sep 25, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charr

Well my dear friend, if you would have been so kind to ask me how I got my title before talking out of your ass, you would have been given an answer that my title comes from doing all the dungeons twice with h/h until i reached rank Daring Delver at which point I used my books and some farming to get to rank 8.

If you are sooooo good then why care about the morale boost? You shouldn't have so much DP to work off if you are good. Funny to me how people think they are good because they can get past a mission. I'd like to see them put a dp cap on the dungeons...you get to 60% and you cannot be rezzed then see how good you are

milan · Sep 25, 2007, 01:12 PM // 13:12

You're not being penalised and losing something that people who play less get for free. Consider it a meal, just because you ate fast and finished doesn't mean the meal should be taken away from the slower eating guy.

You talk about being a good player, yet what is the deal with needing all this DP removal?

Chthon · Sep 25, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Maybe a-net figures anyone who had time to grind up to rank 8 now has more than enough gold to pay for consumables to do that job?....

Nyree · Sep 25, 2007, 04:01 PM // 16:01

Ok

I may not agree with everything that the OP said, but i agree that, not been able to get the blessings before reaching dwarven rank8 sucks a little...

I don't consider myself a real hardcore player, and i don't how hard it is to reach r8, but i think that even me, after long time playing dungeons, will reach r8 someday, and for players as me, the lack of blessings(and morale boost) will really hurt the gameplay.

I think that, as somebody said before, we should be able to get the blessings without earning reputation points after reaching r8.

Tarja · Sep 25, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Let's not forget that this is GW:EN, full of bugs and other crap that pisses off the populace.

Either Anet simply forgot to add the moral boosts, it's a feature of HM (parallel to only getting SS/LB points in HM after getting to a certain rank) or too bad, we won't get the morals at all.

Whining and complaining doesn't do anything, and doesn't get anything done other than get your ass flamed. Keep your idea of "I'm a good player I want my morals back" fit to yourself, and not us. We don't want to hear it anymore.

If you're a "good player" then you must be challenged in order to become better.

iridescentfyre · Sep 25, 2007, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarja

Let's not forget that this is GW:EN, full of bugs and other crap that pisses off the populace.

Do you really think this is a bug? This is the exact same game mechanic from Nightfall; reach a certain title and you can't get bounties from certain areas. Get the title high enough, and you can't get them anywhere in Normal Mode. Not only is this clearly intended, but I think its proof that Hard Mode is really coming. Because if its not, titles are broken in such a way that I don't believe Anet would've overlooked.

Tarja · Sep 25, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

Do you really think this is a bug? This is the exact same game mechanic from Nightfall; reach a certain title and you can't get bounties from certain areas. Get the title high enough, and you can't get them anywhere in Normal Mode. Not only is this clearly intended, but I think its proof that Hard Mode is really coming. Because if its not, titles are broken in such a way that I don't believe Anet would've overlooked.

I said later in my post that this parallels the SS/LB point farming after you've reached a rank. Please try to fully understand before you quote/post.

It's a possibility that it could be a bug, and it's also a more likely possibility that this is a pre-HM feature. I'm better on the latter rather than the former.

Effendi Westland · Sep 25, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

good =/= title grinding

However let's assume it is. In that case the game tries to make it more a challenge for you now, as you are that good.

Racthoh · Sep 25, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charr

Then what makes you a good PvE player, going over to Wiki and doing DoA with a premade build?

Pretty much yes. PvE is predefined so much that you can literally go over to wiki, copy a build, read up about the entire area, and succeed with little effort. Like having the answer key to a test, and yet some people still can't do it.

PureEvilYak · Sep 25, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Wow, the flaming in this topic is absurd....

Lets assume that "good" means, "reasonably experienced". It doesn't require a massive amount of skill to get the title. Its a lot of grinding, but this topic is not about whether grinding = skill or not. Its about the fact that once you get a high level title, it makes the game significantly harder. Ok, maybe not in your Raven's Point or Doomlore Shrine, but I know that I certainly would NOT like to be going through Shards of Orr without those life bringing morale boosts.

So yeah, I'd agree with Charr. It would be nice to see a special rez shrine bonus for those with rank 8.