Curse

Mordakai · Sep 27, 2007, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Ouch. That's a pretty harsh review. Yes, GWEN can be completed quickly. But I haven't finished it yet. GWEN is meant for casual players, not the hard core players it seemed to be advertised for.

The Grind complaint is over-stated: people don't complain you have to finish Nightfall to get Primordial armor do they? What's the difference between killing monsters to get armor, and killing monsters to progress through a storyline? You're basically doing the same thing.

Yes, the new races could have been introduced better. But, even the most jaded Guild Wars player has to admit the voice-acting is the best ever, the graphics are impressive, and the storyline is actually decent, although predictable.

If the biggest complaint is that it's over too quick, isn't that really a compliment? After all, my biggest complaint would be if it wasn't worth finishing.

Cyan Rhae · Sep 27, 2007, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Well every1 loved prophecies, factions was very average, nightfall only had doa that was interesting and gwen, its basicly a game that doesnt have a lot to offer at all... a-net has lost my credit that they earned with prophecies and they have to make a hell of a good game to earn it back.

Mordakai · Sep 27, 2007, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Another harsh review (although funnier to read):

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=83239

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More importantly, Gwen doesn't dress appropriately for the cold, and neither do the other people you'll meet, such as the twelve-foot Norn women. Norn, yes. They are are like normal people, but larger. Sort of stretched Vikings. Their legacy makes up the core quest arc (which means you get to have some beautiful giant women follow you around at one point - apparently this pleases some gentlemen) and also offer some subquests such as hunting, and fighting the Norns in an arena. But there's another reason for the Norn. The Eye Of North expansion is being used to introduce some of the races that will appear as playable folk in Guild Wars 2. This includes giant those northland men and women, as well as dwarves (you might have seen them before: the short people who live under the ground) and the Asuras. The Asuras are a mystery to me - they look a bit like mangled, flattened versions of Disney's Stitch character, and are presumably designed as the 'cute' race for Guild Wars 2. The main one wears a headband. I am not a fan.

More hate for Asuras.... oh, and note to reviewer: Dwarves will not be playable in GW2!

Oh, and hey, a positive review! But, sadly, it feels like they didn't even play the game (more of a preview than review):

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/guild...subj=61787 57

jayson · Sep 27, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

To me GWEN looked to have a great start. After working on the landscapes, the new races and the graphic upgrades it seems they ran out of time. The story is a good one but told too quickly. Weapons,armor and monsters suffer from too many reskins or none at all. The HoM isn't a bad idea but it's execution was. Dungeons were a big feature as well but too many reused areas once again took away from the overall experience. I honestly wish that they just took their time with this and gave us the game I'm sure they knew how to make.
This really could've been a true game and not an expansion with the introduction of the Asura and Norn. A lot of area is still yet to be uncovered in Tyria and they could've made use of that. A longer fight against the charr would've been nice while still worrying about the threat to the destroyers. The charr would've been the problem for the vanguard and the destroyers the problem for the asura. The Norn are their to help out and fill a cool second class for the game. All end game level content and no noob island needed. Learn as you play.

axe · Sep 27, 2007, 03:59 PM // 15:59

The thing that disappoints me most about GWEN is the fact that I have been disappointed before GWEN and I was really hoping that GWEN would re-spark the fire for me. And then I could quit logging in just to stare at the screen.

Basically as short a story as GWEN is I still haven't even finished it because I personally have more fun doing other things. I just couldn't bring myself to even complete the game.

I HIGHLY recommended Nightfall to a friend of mine and specifically told him NOT to buy GWEN (he did anyways though lol)

The good part about GWEN is that it made me like Factions in comparison.

Vinraith · Sep 27, 2007, 04:07 PM // 16:07

Complaints about GWEN being short baffle me. The actual storyline is about nine missions long, but the 18 multilevel dungeons certainly constitute a lot of content. It may not be content you like (I for one, think they're pretty cool) but I don't see how you can claim there's a lack of things to do.

And for the record I quite like the Asura, they're smartasses. If GW2 ends up being appealing (ie has sufficient support for solo players, retains a good skill system, and manages to limit persistance and make it non-intrusive) I plan on playing one.

Bryant Again · Sep 27, 2007, 04:22 PM // 16:22

People who consider GW:EN short are the same kind of people who consider Oblivion, Fable, etc. to be short: That's not the point.

The point of those games is to get you to explore the world, enter the dungeons, vanquish baddies, etc. Sure they have stories to play through, but they all offer soooo much more than that.

lord dragon · Sep 27, 2007, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Another harsh review (although funnier to read):

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=83239

More hate for Asuras.... oh, and note to reviewer: Dwarves will not be playable in GW2!

Oh, and hey, a positive review! But, sadly, it feels like they didn't even play the game (more of a preview than review):

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/guild...subj=61787 57

Gamespot is good, but they usually rate high on thier games overall. What the average player would say is a 5, they give a 7, ect. I usually take 2 points off to get a better rating with them.

The great news for me is that all of the reviews are coming out so soon. Now, when GW2 comes out, I don't have to buy it right away and can wait to see if it is a GWEN fiasco or a good product by the reviews. Seems most of them have acknowledged the grind. Most of them have acknowledged the content issue.

Just hope the GW2 reviews come out to let us know if we need to spend our money on GW2 or start looking for another game to play.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

lord dragon · Sep 27, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

People who consider GW:EN short are the same kind of people who consider Oblivion, Fable, etc. to be short: That's not the point.

The point of those games is to get you to explore the world, enter the dungeons, vanquish baddies, etc. Sure they have stories to play through, but they all offer soooo much more than that.

I didn't consider Propehcies short. I didn't consider factions short. I didn't consider Nightfall short. I do consider GWEN almost non existent in content. All were around the same price, give or take $10.

lord dragon · Sep 27, 2007, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

Complaints about GWEN being short baffle me. The actual storyline is about nine missions long, but the 18 multilevel dungeons certainly constitute a lot of content. It may not be content you like (I for one, think they're pretty cool) but I don't see how you can claim there's a lack of things to do.

And for the record I quite like the Asura, they're smartasses. If GW2 ends up being appealing (ie has sufficient support for solo players, retains a good skill system, and manages to limit persistance and make it non-intrusive) I plan on playing one.

There is grind to do. If you like grind and think that is a game, then you will like GWEN.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Darksun · Sep 27, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

These are from the same people that gave GW a "game of the year" award. Ouch.

whoa, really?
Ouch indeed. He hit the nail on the head with the reskins, HoM & the price.

Wulfgast · Sep 27, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by wetsparks

Forums aren't indicative of the overall community, people that come here want to rant or are the hardcore. Besides, 90% of all facts are 100% made up.

If I had based that on the forum community, it would've been 90-95%.

freekedoutfish · Sep 27, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

I would say it was a fair review. They may have given it a little higher rating then I would have, but all it all fair.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3163056

The issue I have with that review is when the writer says...

"your elite armor (only if your grind the platinum to buy it)"

...something which just screams hes lazey to me! Since when has it ever been an issue to need platinum for armor? Its one of the easiest things to do. Buying armor is beyond easy in GWs! Getting "elite" armor in alternative MMOs like WoW is far harder and alot more expensive and some pieces you have to farm bosses to get with very law drop rates.

And he wants to complain about how you get armor in GWs? thats laughable!

I cant take the rest of that review serious because of that one line. That writer is obviously biased because he'd rather everything was just given to him/her.

Bryant Again · Sep 27, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

...something which just screams hes lazey to me! Since when has it ever been an issue to need platinum for armor? Its one of the easiest things to do. Buying armor is beyond easy in GWs!

I will give the reviewer points since, nowadays, it is *much* much much slower getting money through playing the game, which is something you've highly advocated for. The horrid rare item droprate doesn't really help.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Getting "elite" armor in alternative MMOs like WoW is far harder and alot more expensive and some pieces you have to farm bosses to get with very law drop rates.

Can't be eBayed, though. That's why they have so much more prestige.

lord dragon · Sep 27, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

The issue I have with that review is when the writer says...

"your elite armor (only if your grind the platinum to buy it)"

...something which just screams hes lazey to me! Since when has it ever been an issue to need platinum for armor? Its one of the easiest things to do. Buying armor is beyond easy in GWs! Getting "elite" armor in alternative MMOs like WoW is far harder and alot more expensive and some pieces you have to farm bosses to get with very law drop rates.

And he wants to complain about how you get armor in GWs? thats laughable!

I cant take the rest of that review serious because of that one line. That writer is obviously biased because he'd rather everything was just given to him/her.

HHHmmmm. Does that mean because of one line in all your posts that I can catagorize all of it as not serious? Just wanted to make sure.

Like I said before. If it was one review, could put it down to the reviewer. After reading it again, I believe he hit it pretty well with the exception of the rating being a little high.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Loviatar · Sep 27, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

one earlier poster on another thread brought 12 characters over to GWEN intending to get all sets of armor for all of them.

that would be 48 sets of elite armor.

others had the same story except it ranged from 6 to 15 characters

since most people are not super power traders that represents in most cases well over 1000 + hours of farming to be able to buy all that rare materials needed for that many characters

thausand (s) of hours farming and they bitch at a few hours rep farming to open the shop

their farming is the big grind and they dont even complain a bit about that

dsnesnintendo · Sep 28, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

you know what gwen needed
ninjas
that is all

lord dragon · Sep 28, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

one earlier poster on another thread brought 12 characters over to GWEN intending to get all sets of armor for all of them.

that would be 48 sets of elite armor.

others had the same story except it ranged from 6 to 15 characters

since most people are not super power traders that represents in most cases well over 1000 + hours of farming to be able to buy all that rare materials needed for that many characters

thausand (s) of hours farming and they bitch at a few hours rep farming to open the shop

their farming is the big grind and they dont even complain a bit about that

If there was armor worthy a purchase, I could see your point. The more pointed argument would be there was no new armor, only reskins. So I feel sorry for your friend, he got taken twice. Once when he realized that there was no new armor, and once when he realized he would need to kill the same thing again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, ect. The only reason they added this new twist was there was no content so they had to give people something to do to justify some time requirement. The smart ones saved thier money. I, alas, didn''t.

As for 1000's of hours farming, where would it take that long to farm to get anything prior to GWEN except Obsidian? Guess DOA is paying off better then I thought as I have given away 1000 of platinum to guild and alliance friends. It is not hard to make money in the game at all. You just have to farm the areas that most don't want to, or feel it is to hard to.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

trielementz · Sep 28, 2007, 09:52 AM // 09:52

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...8&postcount=14

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I cant really afford to spend any gold on white dye to show you either. Sorry!

.. you can't afford a ~3k item

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The issue I have with that review is when the writer says...

"your elite armor (only if your grind the platinum to buy it)"

...something which just screams hes lazey to me! Since when has it ever been an issue to need platinum for armor?

.. yet you easily condemn somebody not rich enough to buy armor at 10k apiece as lazy.

Not launching personal attacks here. While I agree that the cost of elite armors is not totally prohibitive, it is still high enough to give new players problems, so his point is not moot. Let's not be too insensitive shall we?

freekedoutfish · Sep 28, 2007, 12:26 PM // 12:26

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I will give the reviewer points since, nowadays, it is *much* much much slower getting money through playing the game, which is something you've highly advocated for. The horrid rare item droprate doesn't really help.

Its hard to make gold for elite armor?

Within in 2 weeks of GWEN being released and starting from 0 gold both times, I made enough gold for both Norn and Vanguard armor!

I made that gold purely from doing quests, dungeons and bounty hunting. Then selling all items to the merchant.

Im not a farmer, and Im not a hardcore player. That was from just 2-4 hours a day or night! Hmm.... yeah its really hard to make gold these days!

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

HHHmmmm. Does that mean because of one line in all your posts that I can catagorize all of it as not serious? Just wanted to make sure.

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If you feel that way, then that is your opinion! I'm well aware that you and I disagree on alot of things, including grind ingame. But your the one who cant accept my opinion and attempt to boycott all my posts!

However, the reveiwer tried to state that buying elite armor requires endless grinding for gold! Which is just laughable, for the very reason I have mentioned above!

If armor requires grind, then how did I make around 140k in just 2 weeks for 2 sets of armor? Starting from 0 gold each time! Purely from questing and dungeons and exploring with bounties.

Now I accept that alot of lvl20 characters (for some odd reason) seem to have a hard time making gold. But I cant understand it for those very reasons I mentioned!

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Originally Posted by trielementz

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...8&postcount=14

.. you can't afford a ~3k item

No, because when I wrote that I was/still am saving up for destroyer cores! Try to understand the context first! I usually start with 0 gold and save up for stuff by just using the methods I mentioned above.

I usually have on average about 1-5k for prolonged amounts of time, unless Im saving up for expensive stuff. Not something I do alot, unless I want new armor or a weapon.

But the point being that its not hard to make that extra gold if I need to.

The white dye wasnt a priority and from previous experience white doesnt look nice on vangaurd armor (IMO). Why would I spend 3k I need for more important prestige armor? I dont have money hidden under my ninja mask!