Curse

Avarre · Oct 04, 2007, 07:07 AM // 07:07

People who don't play HA need to stop commenting about HA as if they do.

Winterclaw · Oct 04, 2007, 07:13 AM // 07:13

I'd like to join in this one if I can get a group that can at least win one or two matches.

LFG unranked balanced

_June · Oct 04, 2007, 07:19 AM // 07:19

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Originally Posted by Avarre

People who don't play HA need to stop commenting about HA as if they do.

Who are you referring to?

Juno Onuj · Oct 04, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by _June

P.s I don't know what you mean when you say pve skills?

PvE skills are those introduced in Nightfall and EoTN that cannot be used an any PvP arenas. Here are some from EoTN at the bottom of the page:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_...e_North_skills

RhanoctJocosa · Oct 04, 2007, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by _June

Agreed, If you can't beat a hero/spiritway then you need to seriously consider moving on to a different part of the game..

All this QQ about it being Player v Player and not Hero v Player is sad, leave heroes in pvp, it's up to people how they use them and if someone is going to have a breakdown about people using them then they need to go to pve or something were their ego won't be broken :P

It's been debated over and over- the problem isn't beating heroes it's the fact that you aren't fighting real people, which is lame as shit.

Mmmm, another 2x fame weekend. Cool. At least there will be less waiting times in between matches, one can hope.

Also, people still can't possibly be complaining about fame discrimination. Honestly, with numerous DOUBLE FAME weekends, time with FULL HERO teams and YEARS to get into HA if you're not a decent rank by now it's nobodies fault but yours.

Oh, and, if Avarre wasn't refering to you, you should probably stop posting in this thread because all you're trying to do is steer it off-track.

_June · Oct 04, 2007, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

It's been debated over and over- the problem isn't beating heroes it's the fact that you aren't fighting real people, which is lame as shit.

Mmmm, another 2x fame weekend. Cool. At least there will be less waiting times in between matches, one can hope.

Also, people still can't possibly be complaining about fame discrimination. Honestly, with numerous DOUBLE FAME weekends, time with FULL HERO teams and YEARS to get into HA if you're not a decent rank by now it's nobodies fault but yours.

Oh, and, if Avarre wasn't refering to you, you should probably stop posting in this thread because all you're trying to do is steer it off-track.

I agree with some parts in you're paragraph about the rank discrimination. However I think it appeals to the new people coming in that have been in Person vs Environment and now wish to explore the possibilities of getting a deer emote, given that there are some unranked hero/spiritway it's easy enough to get some fame if you're just getting started but you still get flamed for playing the build by most people such as "Welcome to pvp" which I have been seeing quite abit..

I don't know what you mean by that last statement, is it you're wish that I stop posting because I am trying to "steer the topic off track", if that's the case a ton of people would be requested to stop posting as I am mearly stating an opinion on a topic started on the first page of this thread.

I am not aware that I am trying to diverge the topic if that's the case

Thanks

bungusmaximus · Oct 04, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Rank discrimination is nonsense anyways imo, get full unlocks, don't sound like an idiot, go in and PWN some ^^

_June · Oct 04, 2007, 09:58 AM // 09:58

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Originally Posted by Juno Onuj

PvE skills are those introduced in Nightfall and EoTN that cannot be used an any PvP arenas. Here are some from EoTN at the bottom of the page:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_...e_North_skills

Oh yeah, the pve ONLY skills, well if you want to look at it this way, Anet decided that they should be pve only, not the same with heroes as they were introducing hero battles, so it does not seem fair to me that they should remove Heroes from Hereos Ascent because the newer players that have just began looking into Ha will be left in the dust because so many of the unranked teams are running builds like this as they see it as the only way to get rank 3 most of the time, it was the same with IWAY and Vimway if I recall..

But I guess people are trying to get Anet to make heroes Pve only (with the exception of hero battles)?

I am not here to flame or anything of that nature, however I welcome any that feel the need to flame my posts, just know I won't return the favor

CHunterX · Oct 04, 2007, 10:16 AM // 10:16

Didn't they just have this 3 weeks ago? Where was the double SS/LB weekend?

Star Gazer · Oct 04, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

Honestly, with numerous DOUBLE FAME weekends, time with FULL HERO teams and YEARS to get into HA if you're not a decent rank by now it's nobodies fault but yours.

wow, so it was MY fault that people were discriminating against me because i wasnt r3 back then? thats leet man. I sat in HA last night just to see the environment to see if it was "new player" friendly. No, infact, its still the steaming stinkpile it was 2+ years ago. People think that an emote shows off their ability to PvP. I personally think its the GUILD of the person, and that one guy thinks hes bad ass. Until all this elitest 'glf r10+ thumper' (and btw, how god damn hard is it to do that? does it really require 2 years of non-stop HA to learn how to use skills?) shit stops, there will never be new blood in HA. Thats my two cents.

_June · Oct 04, 2007, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

wow, so it was MY fault that people were discriminating against me because i wasnt r3 back then? thats leet man. I sat in HA last night just to see the environment to see if it was "new player" friendly. No, infact, its still the steaming stinkpile it was 2+ years ago. People think that an emote shows off their ability to PvP. I personally think its the GUILD of the person, and that one guy thinks hes bad ass. Until all this elitest 'glf r10+ thumper' (and btw, how god damn hard is it to do that? does it really require 2 years of non-stop HA to learn how to use skills?) shit stops, there will never be new blood in HA. Thats my two cents.

This is what I mean when I say that the unranked are forced to run randomway or hero/spiritway when almost everything else requires a rank to get into. That only re-enforces my point that rank has no meaning, but almost everyone in Ha today are "rankist" and think that you having a high rank means you are experienced, which is true don't get me wrong but I have some unranked friends that play better than some rank 10s I have grouped with :P the only reason a rank has is for an emote and the title, does not really mean anything apart from that but most people think differently.

Having a rank does mean you have some experience in that area but a person should not be discriminated against just because they don't have the rank a group requires when they could turn out playing more effectivly than some of the ranked people on the team

Thanks for reading

bungusmaximus · Oct 04, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

'glf r10+ thumper' (and btw, how god damn hard is it to do that? does it really require 2 years of non-stop HA to learn how to use skills?)

ROFLMBO, you name a class you can operate under influence of various narcotics, alcohol and a night without sleep

And I wasn't even ranked. Yeah the way you put it you have point, people tend to overestimate rank.

But still, when you PUG, the rank system really is the only thing you have to determine wether someone did his/her fair share of PvP. And then, it doesn't even tell if the player in question is good. I've seen people playing HA that were more horrible then I was at that time, and they were r3+.

Usually the people with a little bit of imagination are capable of determining wether they need a certain person or not. Rank isn't always that important to people, they usually care more about unlocks or having vent or not. Not everyone takes HA that seriously, and those kind of people are most fun to play with in the first place.

onerabbit · Oct 04, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22

double chest drop please =P

Avarre · Oct 04, 2007, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Most decent players know rank means very little with regards to actual skill. It does, however, imply experience in HA.

If I have to PuG someone, and know nothing about them, I'll take a ranked player because I at least know they've played HA and have won rounds before, and are thus more likely to perform well.

Elitism with rank isn't really about 'low rank = noob'. It's more about not wanting to risk wasting time with someone who has little or no experience in the arena, because HA is about winning rounds, and losing for stupid reasons isn't fun.

Bryant Again · Oct 04, 2007, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by onerabbit

double chest drop please =P

From what we've been getting so far in GW:EN, it'll probably only start to help if they do quadrouple chest drops.

Star Gazer · Oct 04, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Avarre

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Elitism with rank isn't really about 'low rank = noob'. It's more about not wanting to risk wasting time with someone who has little or no experience in the arena, because HA is about winning rounds, and losing for stupid reasons isn't fun.

well why isn't losing fun? sometimes its fun to get your ass handed to you. ok so you lose one round...but what if you win? You will have gained a friend who will possibly be more interested in doing MORE HA runs, in which spawns new blood.

I understand you guys want to have your guild name/char name infront of the "won hall of heros", but how about giving others a chance? We cant learn if noone teaches...and RA is hardly an example of a "learning" arena...sure, it gives you survivability odds on your character, but in no way does it promote team synergy, which ultimately helps you win. I have been playing since betas, and I do have a sense of what synergy is and how skills function and work together. I am also UAX (not from balthazaar), but I also have roughly 1mil b. points. BUT I am rank 0, with 10 fame. I suck? No. Do I have opportunities? No. Just keep this in mind when others want to play, or have been politely (not that same message 4 times in a sequence to catch your attention...i wouldnt do it either) been "LFG Nuker" or the like.

Lagg · Oct 04, 2007, 02:44 PM // 14:44

I'm rank 6 and I haven't played HA since 2005 (then ToPK).

No, I didn't IWAY. I did much much worse requiring even less skill: Edgebomb.

Heck, I had fun playing that. Too bad it got nerfed (I had quit playing some time before anyway).

To the point.

Does that mean some HA PUGs today would rather have me than some newer guy playing HA every day desperately trying to reach rank 3/6?

Yes, of course.

Arguably, you could say I still have more experience playing the game generally, even though I'm completely out of touch with the HA metagame (except from hearsay).

So, yes, I call bullshit.

Should we end rank discrimination?

I'm afraid this is entirely in Anet's hands and, even worse, would kill what little there is left of the HA community.

My 2 cents: just stay out of there kids and let the (usually very angry) people farm each other in the everlasting quest for the Phoenix fart.

Thom Bangalter · Oct 04, 2007, 02:45 PM // 14:45

At this point, I don't know who the double fame weekends are benefiting. People going for rank 12 I guess, but they'd be doing HA this weekend anyway.

Kyp Jade · Oct 04, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

I am talking about those groups that have 7/8, and STILL are looking for an r10 to join...because they can press button more efficently than an r0? what kind of shit are you on?

aparantly on pretty good shit, r10s press buttons better than r0s. The r10 water ele is 100x more likely (not always, but ill bet money on it) to know to press the button for freezing gust or gale on the oposing runner. Or more likely to know to body block the ghost on a corner in cap pts maps. (yes thats pressing buttons too). Hmmm, so yea I feel good about being on whatever Im on

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

I know my skills. I know how to play. What I want is people to stop being so discriminatory towards r0 people that they dont even know. I am happy with my guild and with my friends. I should give them up to PvP? Jesus, wheres your sense of loyalty?

Im not just discriminatory to r0 people. If you bothered to read my post, Im also discriminatory towards r12 people as well. If your happy with your guild and your friends then stay with them. No reason at all that you cant bring them to HA with you, in facts that what you SHOULD do if your looking for a group to play in. Read my post. And dont try to tell me I dont have any loyalty to my friends. I could be in some very very nice guilds if I wanted to.

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

I tought myself everything in this game. I went from soloing pre to henching prophecies and factions. Then when heros came out, I vanquished with heros and henchies. I know about team synergy and I know how to execute. What I do not know is what types of team builds are good for HA. Or maybe I just want to get to know a few people so I can let them know I am available for a group.

Ok, so figure out the types of team builds that are good for HA. You know about team synergy, why cant you teach yourself HA as well as PvE. Its very easy to design an HA build. And you need to stick with it a few days for revisions. Taking a new build in and expecting to win halls or make lots of fame is very naive. Some roles take practice on. And as for getting to know a few people that depends solely on you. PUGs are just as hard to get into at r9 as they are at r0. If you have friends you can call on from elsewhere to lead your own team then thats the best way to beging networking and find new friends. PUG groups are more likely to succeed if 6/8 of the people are friends and only 2 are pugs.

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

People who are new to this game (god help them, they have no idea how much better it was) have absolutely 0 chance of getting into ha. Like I said: give people a chance if your looking for that last member. Tell them what you want, if they cannot provide them skills, then let them be on their way and go to the next person. With this weekend coming up, and everyone talking about how dead HA has been/how dull, how about welcome the players that are going to be trying it. Who knows, they might come up with the next FoTM.

They have absolutly zero change? Why then, did the people who did not play HA when it was new succeed in getting into this format of the game. And a new FoTM is exactly what NO EXPERIENCED HA player wants to see. We want to see people running different builds, and something that takes a little bit of brains to run.

Things like rt spike, thumperway, heroway that just anyone can pick up and play are not the kind of things we like to see.

And, as for welcomming new players into groups, LOL, pve is the same way, someone just tells them to hero and hench it and be on thier way. No help in pve either.

Avarre · Oct 04, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

BUT I am rank 0, with 10 fame. I suck? No. Do I have opportunities? No. Just keep this in mind when others want to play, or have been politely (not that same message 4 times in a sequence to catch your attention...i wouldnt do it either) been "LFG Nuker" or the like.

Well, what it comes down to is what is a team made up of?

If a full PuG team is forming, they want the most success because the whole point of them making the group is to win. So they're going to go with the more experienced person because they're more likely to be good.

If a Guild team is forming, and they have a gap, they're going to want someone competent to fill the space if they can't get another off alliance/friend lists. For most of them, pugging is a final resort, and a search for someone to replace a capable team member. However, if a guild is drawing from it's own ranks, they might take a less experienced player who is a part of the guild and thus can be continually improved - how I got the majority of my early HA and GvG experienced.

I don't have a problem with taking new players. I don't HA much now, but back when I did we always advertised r9+ simply to weed out players who a) were likely to be idiots and b) weren't as likely to have stuff unlocked. It was fairly often we ended up with people who were lower ranked but could play the builds we needed well enough.

The best way to get past the rank wall? Understand that rank is a method of determining the capability of a player you have no knowledge of - and remove yourself from that category by making contacts. Making contacts is the most important part of the game, and can be the hardest for a new player, but it's the biggest and most important step to getting into groups and learning quickly.