Curse

LicensedLuny · Oct 05, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Not really. It's the middle class players that got hit. The super rich have all the items they will ever require.

Well, could you argue the super rich benefited? Seems like "value" of gold these days has gone up (can buy more/better stuff for the same money.) So if you were already super-rich, are you now um ... extra-crispy-super-rich? I suppose it doesn't matter if there's nothing left to buy.

I shouldn't .... He's actually playing now ... I shouldn't ... no ... but I will anyway

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

To the average Joe NF was a dream come true, to people like me it was a bitch. However, I actually play now, where as all I use to do was chat and buy/sell.

Muhahaha! Hello Kitty brainwashing stage 1 complete! Overwhelming desire to roleplay as a cat stage next!

Cheers,
Luny

HawkofStorms · Oct 05, 2007, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

Well, could you argue the super rich benefited? Seems like "value" of gold these days has gone up (can buy more/better stuff for the same money.) So if you were already super-rich, are you now um ... extra-crispy-super-rich? I suppose it doesn't matter if there's nothing left to buy.

Cheers,
Luny

Not really. The super rich don't have a lot of money in gold (well, they can, but most of their saving is in something else). They have money in ectos, rare items, etc.

Martin Alvito · Oct 05, 2007, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

Well, could you argue the super rich benefited? Seems like "value" of gold these days has gone up (can buy more/better stuff for the same money.)

Depends on the market you're playing in.

Necessities (runes, basic weapons): Gold goes further because it's harder to get than it used to be, relative to these necessities.

Mid-range (rare skin q9 inscribable-type stuff, a few green weapons, gold/green 2nd year minis, bone dragon, kuuna): Here your gold goes a little further due to increased supply of most of this stuff. EotN slashed the rarity of a lot of the rare skins (I took a 200 ecto bath on my customized q9 Runic, thanks ever so much ANet), which led to substantial price declines on a few items.

High-range (q8 15^50/+5 inherent rare skins, Tormented, mini Mallyx, etc.): Here your money goes just about as far as it did before; the dupe did cut Tormented prices some. But basically you're paying the same price for this sort of stuff, because supply isn't rising faster than demand (and with the q8s it isn't rising period).

Ultra-high-range (q7 15^50s, the odd super-rare q8 [Crystalline, a few others], unconditional weapons, the extremely rare minipets): Here your money goes nowhere near as far as it did. This results from the fact that supplies are so low that sellers can basically charge whatever the wealthiest people in the economy are capable of paying. The capacity of the wealthiest players has gone up dramatically in the last six months. Back in April, if you'd found a Kanaxai for sale it would have gone for, oh, 1500-2500 ecto. Good luck finding one for a fifth of that price, if one ever hits the market.

There's a lot of reasons for the increase in capacity. The armbrace dupe is the most popular explanation (and there's truth to the explanation). Another explanation is that during the last six months it became very possible to make a LOT of money in a very short period of time in certain places. This had the net effect of turning a fair number of players with 2-3 million gold into players with 10-15 million gold.

Basically, it's not as though the "shiny" stuff is gone. The problem is that there's nowhere near enough of it to support a market these days. Too many of the wealthiest players have left for greener pastures; a lot of hyper-valuable stuff lies dormant on accounts as a result. Also, the set of items that can legitimately be called "shiny" has contracted with time. GW:EN added little hyper-rare stuff that's desirable, and reduced the rarity of a lot of items.

The problem with all of this is that the payoffs from hanging out in trade districts have become sufficiently low that markets for a lot of the rarest stuff simply don't exist in-game anymore. It isn't worth a player's time to purchase items and spend time advertising it in the market, as the low profits mean that (skilled) farming is generally more profitable.

Thus, what little you see of the "shiny" stuff typically shows up in the high-end forum. However, that merchandise is generally drowned out by the findings of the farmers running around GW:EN, who are trying to farm and sell those items before they become oversupplied and the prices collapse.

Upshot is that it looks like nothing good is ever for sale, and the REALLY good stuff is totally out of the reach of most players. All this is somewhat true, but is also an oversimplification of the actual dynamics.

I MP I · Oct 05, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

Most of the shiny weapons are on inactive/banned account which haven't been seen since prophecies/factions

Some were people I knew. Wish I could've had some of their stuff before they quit/got banned. Then again I'd have less space then I do now

SotiCoto · Oct 05, 2007, 10:22 AM // 10:22

I don't know why people fuss over the really rare crap so much. I think they're just too focused on social influence. I use what is pretty... and more often than not what is pretty isn't all that rare or difficult to get.
Fissure of Woe armour is hideous for the most part (apart from Ritualist and Dervish, so I found). Crystalline Swords are fugly. Dwarven Axes are boring. Elemental Swords are absolutely revolting. Mini Kanaxai and Mallyx are both ugly IMHO....
*Shrugs*

Gimme Celestial Weapons, Ancient Armor and a Mini-Pig any day.

revelation · Oct 05, 2007, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Does anyone know do Stygian Reavers drop in PvE? I saw on wiki that it is comfirmed that it drops in Darkrime Delves dungeon but... I couldn't find any proof.

Wild Karrde · Oct 05, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

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Originally Posted by o m g pizowned

shiny things gave me something to work for..now that everything can be available to everyone, there's really no point left to play. once i use up the rest of my cash its gg for me

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you make me laugh. You seriously cant be thinking that because if you buy a cool skin now, because its not super expensive you think you wont look as 1337 so theres no point in playing??????????????? Or is it more along the lines of "Oh no a NOOB can get cool weapons now. I dont want to be on the same level as a NOOB!!!"

If that is what your thinking you have a very skewed idea of what this game was created for.

Seriously dude, whatever logic you had behind your statement is rediculous and laughable.

Pupu · Oct 05, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

crystallines and reavers dropped in the weekend preview but was made hoh only again with the release of gwen.

Sparda · Oct 05, 2007, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

I don't know why people fuss over the really rare crap so much. I think they're just too focused on social influence. I use what is pretty... and more often than not what is pretty isn't all that rare or difficult to get.
Fissure of Woe armour is hideous for the most part (apart from Ritualist and Dervish, so I found). Crystalline Swords are fugly. Dwarven Axes are boring. Elemental Swords are absolutely revolting. Mini Kanaxai and Mallyx are both ugly IMHO....
*Shrugs*

Gimme Celestial Weapons, Ancient Armor and a Mini-Pig any day.

You are so right.
I agree on you statement.
This is the only thing i can say about it couse i have no words to say it

Sparda · Oct 05, 2007, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by Wild Karrde

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you make me laugh. You seriously cant be thinking that because if you buy a cool skin now, because its not super expensive you think you wont look as 1337 so theres no point in playing??????????????? Or is it more along the lines of "Oh no a NOOB can get cool weapons now. I dont want to be on the same level as a NOOB!!!"

If that is what your thinking you have a very skewed idea of what this game was created for.

Seriously dude, whatever logic you had behind your statement is rediculous and laughable.

Those are the words i would use Wild Karrde ^^
Ill add something to it.
Now we see what goes around in his head not a pretty site IMO.
Iff he thinks the items make the man he is on the wrong side of the road.
Couse all that high end stuff doesn't show his skills.
Only that he whas crazy enough to spent alot of money to get it and be one of those people who size there skill to ingame status.

undeadgun · Oct 05, 2007, 12:48 PM // 12:48

i retierd when GWEN came out, Titan Quest FTW!!!!!

Pupu · Oct 05, 2007, 01:03 PM // 13:03

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Originally Posted by undeadgun

i retierd when GWEN came out, Titan Quest FTW!!!!!

titan quest is nice :P shame its spammed with hacks and item maps online etc /boring

VanDamselx · Oct 05, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you make me laugh. You seriously cant be thinking that because if you buy a cool skin now, because its not super expensive you think you wont look as 1337 so theres no point in playing??????????????? Or is it more along the lines of "Oh no a NOOB can get cool weapons now. I dont want to be on the same level as a NOOB!!!"

If that is what your thinking you have a very skewed idea of what this game was created for.

Seriously dude, whatever logic you had behind your statement is rediculous and laughable.

It had nothing to do with being "1337". I myself liked chest farming and farming for not so easy to find weapons. Some people like working for that stuff, why is it such a big god damn deal every time this comes up? No one tells you how to play your game or insults you for it so I don't know why you throw out childish insults at people for playing their game the way they like it.

Rare weapons I think were intended for people who enjoy grind. Yes the game caters to individuals that are casual but what about people who are in it more than a casual player? Yeah that's right asshat there's more than 1 type of gamer that plays this game and rare weapons catered to more hardcore players. Getting rare weapons and a vast money supply (I'm talking more than maxing storage) took loads of time power selling and farming. Some people fuss, so what it's their game let them play how it satisfies them.

I'm going to take a breath now.

Fitz Rinley · Oct 05, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Well, I have played in GWEN and I have not seen one crystalline anything. I have not seen a single skin that I personally want. I cannot put anything I would like to in the HoM becaue it requires I gold sink for weapons I only want to throw away so I wont be wasting valuable storage space on something I dont want to ever be seen with. Things I do want do not drop or cannot drop there. And if my entry into Frostmaw this morning is anything like what the rest of the dungeons are now like - then there is no reason to bother. (Half of us were killed between recognition of load and being able to use the keys by a group of Chromatics that were standing in the LZ; then we only had 2 more groups, a siege wurm, a frost wurm, and 4 avalanches a half circle away.) I personally felt the thing was horrid enough durring preview, and for no reason. It certainly didn't provide any treasure that was useful or profittable.

pkodyssey · Oct 05, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by NoXiFy

everlasting beetle juice is like most expensive thing now

...and just how expensive would that be?

FeroxC · Oct 06, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Boooya dont bother, most people on this forum just can't fathom that some people like to 'grind' or powersell for shiny weopons and will just ridicule you out of arrogance or jelousy.

Sure GW wasn't designed to be orientated round loot, but they put 'shiny weopons' in for a reason and its a shame they seem to be being phased out.

freaky naughty · Oct 06, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Wild Karrde

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you make me laugh. You seriously cant be thinking that because if you buy a cool skin now, because its not super expensive you think you wont look as 1337 so theres no point in playing??????????????? Or is it more along the lines of "Oh no a NOOB can get cool weapons now. I dont want to be on the same level as a NOOB!!!"

If that is what your thinking you have a very skewed idea of what this game was created for.

Seriously dude, whatever logic you had behind your statement is rediculous and laughable.

Yeah I agree with you, as much as I hate people who like to spam get a life I hate the people who think they're elitist cause they have all, I dunno how many are left mini kanaxais in the game. Besides wild they'res still a lot of super expensive stuff out there, it's just that it's either super expensive or cheap. The in-the-middle items dissappeared.

FeroxC · Oct 06, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

I think Wild needs the cold hard truth.

Some players, including me want to see our time/effort manifested in wealth. This is also common in the real world - you wouldn't work overtime for no extra pay would you ?

Please stop whining that you can't afford the luxuries when your not prepared to put in the work.

"Oh no a NOOB can get cool weapons now. I dont want to be on the same level as a NOOB!!!"

Is one of my 'illogical' reasons for farming and if you dont like it you can... err mind your own business :P.

PureEvilYak · Oct 06, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

The climb up the ladder is very rare nowadays, unless you get lucky and gain a super rare minipet.

Damn straight!

Cobalt · Oct 07, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

I thought there were some rare animated weapons that are worth a small fortune out there as well.