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Azza · Sep 04, 2007, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by upier

The mistake is that you're trying to build a reputation of a class based on something as broken as solo farming. And you keep repeating that.

Ohh and allow me to introduce you to my boys:

Deleted - disliked the fact that he didn't look good under certain lighting conditions. Was created as a replacement for Ptah.

My first boy I created some 2 years ago.

My perma-pre babez! With her present for being one year old!

Ptah - my first main character on my second account. kept the looks of my first mesmer because I thought they were sweet! (You should see his closet! I still can't believe I spent ALL of his skill points to buys skills AND farmed a few more! I think I just wasted around 400k on his skills only - and then don't get me started on his armour sets nor his weaponry (to think I bought the 20/20 Rockmolder for some 80k and then watch it be turned into a copy of the normal one just a few days later!)

But they weren't. The tan was bad and the hair colour also left something to be desired.

So Apy was born! Plus I wanted a Legendary Survivor mesmer! Becoming my only character to sport FoW - because, well - if I'd ever get FoW for any of my characters it would have to be a mesmer!

My other mesmer chick. Was deleted because I needed the slots.

For the rest of the guys I sadly lack pictures:
- but there should be at least 1 that made it to ventari before meeting with the hands of doom because I did't like how he looked in the enchanter's armours! (what can I say - I was an idiot! I should have checked that in the PvP screen but instead I took him through half the game to see that he looked stupid!)
- then there was Akhmet who I just used to beat the Factions campaign because I wanted to gather all mesmer greens available - and so I needed to get my hands on all versions of the Effigy and the Wand. Gave up that idea though after getting all c1 and Factions mesmer greens - Nightfall sucked so I didn't want to spend more time there then completely necessary!
- prolly a few more - but it's not like I can remember ALL my mesmers.

And yes - I am a man. And there is no shower near!

So keeping that in mind - are you SURE you want to keep this up?

so u self added an opinion and some pic's and are an expert on the subject??

even if u owned a mesmer finished the game('s), it doesnt mean you were a expert as to how it works, i know plenty of people who have finished all 3 campiagns but still dont know how to make a good build for there proffession.

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Yeah, Gwen sucks.

LoL what kind of mesmer build is that????

Gwen sucks cus u dont know how to put a mesmer build together, simple as that, it seems as thos u have gone out to make the mesmer look useless on purpose, Try a GOOD build and see how that works, not some half a$$ build slap together cus it does "Damage", anyway this is my last comment on the subject.

The best thing to do is Ignore threads like this, Its full of self opinionated responses, i could name all thats wrong but why waste my time of breaking down every post thats self opinionated, these people no there not overly intelligent as to how the mesmer works but just wanna act like they are because they have had a Mesmer and were useless at it, i do not overly understand the mesmer but my hero Norgu doesnt collect dust, infact my ele hero's and warrior hero's get used less then my mesmer hero(i only play with 1other person when in PvE) to make the conversation short if ur a mesmer fan ignore this thread as i now will, and if u hate mesmers then this is ur haven, have fun!!!

Patrick Smit · Sep 04, 2007, 08:10 AM // 08:10

Azza, reread your post, and then reconsider your response maybe? You think yours is not egocentric? I used a build with a few surgers, and it gave good AoE and killing potential. While damage is spread around, creating lots of mobs that are at low health to be eliminated at the next wave of surges or enchant shatters.

Avarre · Sep 04, 2007, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by Patrick Smit

Azza, reread your post, and then reconsider your response maybe? You think yours is not egocentric? I used a build with a few surgers, and it gave good AoE and killing potential. While damage is spread around, creating lots of mobs that are at low health to be eliminated at the next wave of surges or enchant shatters.

Surge is absolutely terrible in PvE - long recharge, low damage, and elite slot.

In PvE, almost all areas can be cleared with smaller than max groups. Thus the assumption that 'because it works in PvE = good' is horribly wrong - effectiveness in PvE has to be considered with regards to comparisons with other classes in similar roles.

I don't need to explain what and why other classes are better than a surge mes at AoE damage, because if you don't have the experience with other classes to know the answers immediately, then you don't have the game knowledge to understand why Mesmers are less effective.

A_Muppet · Sep 04, 2007, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Anyone who says mesmers suck has yet to fight the Jotun mesmers. AI can do that, and so can a human mesmer. That's all I have to say.

-Loki- · Sep 04, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53

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Originally Posted by Azza

LoL what kind of mesmer build is that????

Gwen sucks cus u dont know how to put a mesmer build together, simple as that, it seems as thos u have gone out to make the mesmer look useless on purpose, Try a GOOD build and see how that works, not some half a$$ build slap together cus it does "Damage", anyway this is my last comment on the subject.

Did yo read any of my other comments? That mesmer build won that dungeon for me. I was being sarcastic with that remark. You sir, fail at the internet.

RTSFirebat · Sep 04, 2007, 09:05 AM // 09:05

Gwen makes a great mesmer, her starting domination build is great, just add Power Block in there and your away.

Just having a hero who can interrupt 1/4 and 1/2 spells is great.

yesitsrob · Sep 04, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I agree that being able to 1/4 and 1/2 casts is nice. What I don't agree with is that mesmers do that best. If you want to interrupt every 1/4 and 1/2 an enemy casts you'd be better off taking Zho (Interrupt Henchman) who will allow you to interrupt way more quick casts than any slow recharging mesmer ones will. Also won't make you use one of your Hero slots up.

Daze = Best caster shutdown in PVE.

RTSFirebat · Sep 04, 2007, 09:47 AM // 09:47

True that daze is the way to go. I think Zho biggest problem is her lack of long battle energy management. But otherwise it always fun to have her and 2 ranger heros for a ranger spike PvE run

Cass · Sep 04, 2007, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Effectiveness in PvE is an issue that should interest farmers only.

Perfected Shadow · Sep 04, 2007, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Why mes, when you can take N/Me with Curses+Domination+passive e-management?

Terra Xin · Sep 04, 2007, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by Azza

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OK can everyone see this? This is what you do if you want to be a hypocrite. The end.

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Originally Posted by Avarre

I don't need to explain what and why other classes are better than a surge mes at AoE damage, because if you don't have the experience with other classes to know the answers immediately, then you don't have the game knowledge to understand why Mesmers are less effective.

PvE was supposed to be made more attractive for the Mesmer with the introduction of Hard Mode, and it was supposed to draw tension away from the Absolute Trinity... Tank/Nuker/Healer - but that never really happened. A while ago in another thread, I said that although Mesmers may benefit more while fighting in hard mode, any other profession will benefit just as equally. The sad result is that after the benefits have been applied, the Mesmer would still be at the bottom.

But just so everyone understands; though Avarre says a Mesmer is less effective in a general perspective, does not make them ineffective. We don't want more people going around incorrectly thinking that Mesmers are useless because of the misinterpretation of a person's statement.

haggus71 · Sep 04, 2007, 11:06 AM // 11:06

RTS, give Prepared Shot to Jin, she uses it awesome.

Give Gwen a Domination utility build. She uses Power Block well. It's a skill made for the AI's quick reaction time. Throw in some basic caster melee stuff that gives her manna and she does well. Remember, she's AI. Fast as hell but not very bright. Don't throw any mock-AoE mesmer skills like E-surge. Leave the AoE to Horse-ass/So-sucky. Their ability to handle SF builds shows how brain-dead that build is to use, though the the way they act I think they believe it's a starburst build.

SuperDave · Sep 04, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

"Knock, Knock"

"Who's th......."

"Interrupt Mesmer"

Gwen pwns in my team. I'm glad she's a mesmer. I always thought Norgu was a little too silly. I <3 Gwen. And she looks really pretty in the armor I got her

dragonofinfinity · Sep 04, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Cass

Effectiveness in PvE is an issue that should interest farmers only.

mesmers are effective in any PvE situation, well at least when i take one AKA all the time its possible.

Chicken Ftw · Sep 04, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by dragonofinfinity

mesmers are effective in any PvE situation, well at least when i take one AKA all the time its possible.

It's never been a question of whether they're effective or not. It's a question of how effective. Other classes can do most of the mesmer's roles better than the mesmer itself can. Interruption? BHA ranger. Damage? Pretty much every other class, given a decent build. Hexes/melee shutdown? Necro. etc etc.

arcady · Sep 04, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

Why did Anet make the Gwen hero a mesmer? I wanted to use her, not have her gather dust.

My first main prophesies character was E/Me, and until she hit Lion's Arch and jumped over to other campaigns to get enough skills for Earth I always had as many Mesmer skills on her as I could justify.

Gwen being a mesmer means it will be hard for me to find a reason to -not- bring her out there. Mesmer's are very handy when you can use them, and the computer AI, while not perfect, does a decent job. It certainly doesn't get distracted or lose track of duration times as easily as I do - making it a very effective mesmer AI.

arcady · Sep 04, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Cass

Effectiveness in PvE is an issue that should interest farmers only.

Having spent countless hours failing to get through Droknar's run on three different characters and assorted hero combos so far, I can say effectiveness is not just about farming.

Next time I log into Guild Wars, somebody other than me is going to be making a good amount of coin running me through there... Much as I hate running or getting run, it's just not fun anymore trying and failing. Of course, I didn't have access to Gwen last time I tried...

Anytime I run a quest or a mission, I think about what's going to be effective. If I bring 'A', I'll be there for so many hours or minutes, but if I bring 'B' instead, can I cut that in half given that the challenge involves something 'B' is tuned for?

Healers Wisper · Sep 04, 2007, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Wow, this thread cracks me up. I must admit I was a noob and hated mesmers. My guild leader is a mesmer and started to show me the errors of my ways. (I am a PvE Only player and so is he.) Gwen showed me my errors even more.

I set her up as a Interupt SV mesmer. We went into Sorrow furnice with 2 SF ele, Me a SS Necros, Gwen, My guildie a Blood necro, 1 MM and 2 Monk (prot and healing) All if us were laying face down and Gwen was still running around and Killed a mob single handedly of about 6 Monsters.

I learned, Gwen is a staple.

Croco Clouds · Sep 04, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Remember Gwen grows very fast compare to real human girl, she must have limited strength compare to other heroes

R_Frost · Sep 04, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

ill take Gwen as a mesmer anyday. ive been having fun the last 2 weekends with her in my party. ive been hero/henching my mesmer through factions and nightfall(left EoTN after getting my Gwen) and its been alot of fun. one of us spec'd illusion/insp and the other built dom/insp. no need for agro scattering pug ele's, only time ive used hero or hench ele's is when the quest requires them and the enemy groups drop plenty fast.