Curse

Etta · Sep 01, 2007, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

what can Mesmers do in PvE that eles and necros cant do better tho? I dont mean to offend anyone who likes mesmers, I just dont understand where your coming from at all.

Look, you don't like mesmer then dont use mesmer, noone here is forcing you to bloody use one. Fight fire with water all you want, some people just like to get rid of the O2 before the fire start.

Also agree with Yanman. Epic indeed.

Kratos Angel · Sep 01, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

Errrr personally I'm a mesmer fan ... however in pve I don't bring often a hero as a mesmer, I prefer human mesmer (except for interrupts of course they're really good at it), because henchies are really crap with em -_-.
But for completing GW : EN pve, I can say it, I just play monk with 2 mon henchies, 1 MM henchie, 1 Human SS, and just SF heroes ... why ? Because SS owns, MM got a good defense + good utility in fight, and because SF is still so much imba, SF pwns all in pve, even in pvp, this skill is really overpowered, that's retard.

Angelic Upstart · Sep 01, 2007, 10:50 AM // 10:50

Im not talking about PVP here people. PvE is where damage counts, not shutdown......

Myopic

Evilsod · Sep 01, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

There were 2 options for Gwen hinted in Pre-searing. She liked Warriors but preferred Mesmer armour... don't think she quite fits the bill for a Warrior and i NEVER use Warrior heroes unless i'm forced to... at least been a Mesmer i'd use her.

ryanryanryan0310 · Sep 01, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Here let me end this:

Because memsers are hawt!!!!!

acidic · Sep 01, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

They wear lingerie???

bhavv · Sep 01, 2007, 12:13 PM // 12:13

Empathy, clumsiness and ineptitude are godly skills in HM.

I wish they moved empathy to illusion though

KvanCetre · Sep 01, 2007, 12:25 PM // 12:25

Simply put:

Just because you suck at mesmers doesn't mean mesmers suck.

upier · Sep 01, 2007, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by KvanCetre

Simply put:
Just because you suck at mesmers doesn't mean mesmers suck.

Or to trash the myth that is being kept alive by players who feel that mother nature gave them a too small of a penis:
The mesmer requires just as much skill to be played in PvE as any other class. I would be inclined to say that maybe even less. Just because the advanced tactics of the mesmer class simply don't work in PvE because of it's flawed design (PvE's NOT the mesmer's design that is!)
So if I were a mesmer player seeing all butterflies and roses - I'd seriously ask myself how good am I that I fail to see how incompatible the mesmer is with PvE. Because the most basic tactics really work in PvE - and if you don't see ANY issues then you are prolly still stuck there. At the basics.

Avarre · Sep 01, 2007, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by KvanCetre

Just because you're good at mesmer doesn't mean mesmers are good.

Fixed.

I can play my Mesmer all I want, but I'll never be as effective in the team as another player of the same skill level playing a more pve-capable class. Your damage is worse, your interrupts aren't really better, your survivability and team support is worse... This doesn't mean Mesmers don't work, you can easily finish the game and any area with them. It just means they don't work as well.

I kinda think I need to link the PvE state of the mesmer article here, because evidently it hasn't been read recently.

Qual · Sep 01, 2007, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

your right mesmers are totally useless why have mesmer heros.

I hope that was a joke...

Shadis · Sep 01, 2007, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by upier

Or to trash the myth that is being kept alive by players who feel that mother nature gave them a too small of a penis:
The mesmer requires just as much skill to be played in PvE as any other class. I would be inclined to say that maybe even less. Just because the advanced tactics of the mesmer class simply don't work in PvE because of it's flawed design (PvE's NOT the mesmer's design that is!)
So if I were a mesmer player seeing all butterflies and roses - I'd seriously ask myself how good am I that I fail to see how incompatible the mesmer is with PvE. Because the most basic tactics really work in PvE - and if you don't see ANY issues then you are prolly still stuck there. At the basics.

I LOL'd mightily at the mere suggestion that an Elementalist or Necromancer takes just as much skill to play as a Mesmer anywhere. LOL indeed.

It's very, very easy to get a large effect on a battle with an Elementalist or Necromancers, it takes considerably more effort and thought to get as similar effect using a Mesmer. I also love how you think it's some vast conspiracy by Mesmers to make everyone think that the class takes a lot of skill to play effectively (that being the keyword) in PvE. Yes, we all have meetings and nametags!

The class isn't incompatible with PvE, it's incompatible with the Tank, Nuker, Heal mentality. I guess that's the ONLY tactic out there though, right? Yeah, no. Not everyone plays that way. Shocking, isn't it?

Croix_Raul · Sep 01, 2007, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Gwen is a MES Mha mha SO?
La La La

Mes sux? lol i am not going to answer this tart question

I m going burn hole in those thick armour and steamroller the whole eotn with gwen ,norgu and me MES (PvE using mes lol)
(Laughing at me new found power people not even aware of)

GL for those trying to SF with 3 ele against destroyer XD

Some people on the board just crack me up everytime they post something new

Antheus · Sep 01, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

There's bunch of people who are having lots of problems with GW:EN content. Dungeons, quests being too hard, bosses impossible to kill....

I don't know, I always thought this level 20 content would, well, kinda hard, or at least hard-ish.

Then again, having 2 mesmers, 2 blood or curses necros and possibly a warder makes everything a breeze. Same goes for hard mode. Mesmers + necros over anything nuking related, even 3 or 4 SF nukers.

But playing holy trinity with a mesmer as decoration is indeed pointless.

Prices of mesmer runes are going up though, so perhaps people will learn the benefits.

I don't care, GW:EN finally rewards alternate builds, rather than just allow them. Everything is still doable with W/E/Mo, but that's on the lowest end of usability scale.

RhanoctJocosa · Sep 01, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

The only other profession she'd suit is an ele, and we've already got 3 current ele heroes (iirc, haven't bought EOTN yet so I'm not sure).

And because she's sexy

upier · Sep 01, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Shadis

I LOL'd mightily at the mere suggestion that an Elementalist or Necromancer takes just as much skill to play as a Mesmer anywhere. LOL indeed.

It's very, very easy to get a large effect on a battle with an Elementalist or Necromancers, it takes considerably more effort and thought to get as similar effect using a Mesmer. I also love how you think it's some vast conspiracy by Mesmers to make everyone think that the class takes a lot of skill to play effectively (that being the keyword) in PvE. Yes, we all have meetings and nametags!

The class isn't incompatible with PvE, it's incompatible with the Tank, Nuker, Heal mentality. I guess that's the ONLY tactic out there though, right? Yeah, no. Not everyone plays that way. Shocking, isn't it?

Please tell me which PvE usable mesmer skill takes much skill to be played?
Backfire = cast on casters.
Empathy, (and prolly one of the most godly skills in PvE ) Clumsiness = cast on pretty much everything since pretty much everything will attack.
Degen = uhmmm ... cast on everything?
Surge/Burn/CoP and other mesmer nukes = uhmm ... cast on everything?
Interrupts = most classes have interrupts so nothing superbly more difficult for the mesmer.
We have skill denial, energy denial - kinda doesn't work does it? Or just isn't worth it because most foes will die before the denial effect will show.

Seriously - what skills are causing you such problems that you need to invest so much more into making them work as a mesmer?

Btw - I LOVE this part and I felt it needed to be quoted again:

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Originally Posted by Shadis

It's very, very easy to get a large effect on a battle with an Elementalist or Necromancers, it takes considerably more effort and thought to get as similar effect using a Mesmer.

If that is true - why take a mesmer if it takes so much more for it to achieve the level that is easily achieved with a necro or the ele?
Especially if we consider that the average player of GW can't reach to the level that is needed to play the mesmer - because by your own words - it's much harder to play then other classes.
So - why risk it with a mesmer if there is a chance that the mesmer player you will get won't be able to stand up the challenge and if you get one that will get it right - they will only be as effective as an ele or necro?

NOW ... if my theory that the mesmer doesn't take much more skill to play then the ele would be true ....

Jennie · Sep 01, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by upier

Or to trash the myth that is being kept alive by players who feel that mother nature gave them a too small of a penis:

........ real mature. Please, for the sake of people who like to read threads keep it to mesmers themselfs and SKILL levels instead of having a this person bash that person thread.... and BTW you are very right in my case seeing as I am a female.

Although I don't agree with the people who dislike/think mesmers are not effictive I was enjoying reading the banter back and forth until I start to see useless comments like this.

ETA: on your last post upier: Mesmer does take more work to achieve but the reason I like it is because it is hard... the other professions were very easy.. my mesmer was crap for the longest time until I had a better skill set and ability to play her. I'm proud of her. I dont start a game and try to decide what is the easiest way to go. I love the challenge.... keeps the game interesting.

gloria vander belt · Sep 01, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Is there any point to this thread at all or are u admins and mods getting ur jolly's off on another mesmer bashing thread, if this was my forum i would delete this streaming Pile of dog crap u call a thread.

It has been proven Mesmers are elite for shutting down proffessions and with certain builds in PvP and PvE and screw the threads full of oen personall experience watch the damn movies on youtube.com, i did have a thread dedicated to this(you tube videos) but it was deleted and i was warned by a Mod if i posted it again i would be banned.

and whats even more retarded about people claiming mesmers sucking at PvE is that they can solo UnderWorld and Duo Tombs quicker then any other proffession and can put a 55hp monk or necro down quicker then any other proffession, and all u Elementalist fan's need to start ur own Ele worshipping thread, because i couldnt count how many times its been proven a Mesmer will drop an Elementalist in 10 seconds flat, even with the Best Ele build(or so claimed)....Searing Flames Ele, Lmao i seen 3 in AB get beaten by a single Mesmer, and i dont own a mesmer nore have i played one, but man have i studied each proffession countlessly, and as a warrior or Ranger or Necro or Monk or Ele i can honestly say i hate Versing a Mesmer but man i love henchie and hero mesmers.

P.S-The Mesmer best and quickest character for Pre-title "Legendary Defender Of Ascalon"

gloria vander belt · Sep 01, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

And 1 thing that really get up my nose from reading is the constant "you only need a Warrior, Monk, Ele and necro" if this is true why the hell do u need a ranger at the last part of fire islands, and why can a Mesmer Shut down Kephket to the point where Kephket can only attack with its wand???

Name any other proffession who can do that to Kephket!!!

Shadowfox1125 · Sep 01, 2007, 04:35 PM // 16:35

She wanted to be like Lady Althea, nuff said.