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gloria vander belt · Aug 31, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

this really gets up my nose when people talk ish about mesmers, 1 reason mesmers are good, they CAN dominate any 1 vs 1 in PvP, they can dominate in PvE, aslong as u know how to use the builds, like if i went anti melle against an ele of course im gonna look crap, but hell if u know the areas and what there packing a mesmer can shut them down, P.S. i seen a mesmer solo UW and tombs of the primeval kings, and it wasnt as slow as a 55monk or solo sin!!

Any way learn how to use a mesmer or just dont comment, cus i came accross plenty of ppl useless at a proffession but i always know its the player not the game

upier · Aug 31, 2007, 10:59 AM // 10:59

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

People who think mesmers suck don't know how to play a mesmer. Mesmer hate = mesmer ignorance.

I am sorry - but this is just as ignorant as the statement you are going against.
We are dealing with the limited AI of heroes hero.
Plant Power Block, Power Return and Power Drain on a hero and watch them use Drain once they need energy and Block on the spell whose line takes most of the foes skill bar. Shall we?
When it comes to advance skills - eg. those that actually have an additional effect after the first part of the skill's description - watch the AI fail.
And that's regarding the mesmer heroes.
(And of course that's not just regarding the mesmer skills. Maintaining enchantments anyone?)

And regarding the mesmer in general - let's see how HM with it's double casting foes did massive steps for the recognition of the mesmer class. The game is putting more and more emphasis on active skills - and those skills live and breathe off balance! So once you have foes cheating (as bosses and pretty much all of HM foes do!) - the balance gets trashed.
So no - the mesmer doesn't have issues because of the skills or the design of the class.
The mesmer has issues because of the the laziness of the devs in designing PvE. It just doesn't fit in very well because the balance, that is the core of the mesmer class, is near to non-existent in PvE!
It's an insanely sweet class held back by the stupidity of the PvE experience!
The mesmer can still leave a mark though.
But the big question is - can the other classes do it better?

gloria vander belt · Aug 31, 2007, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by upier

I am sorry - but this is just as ignorant as the statement you are going against.
We are dealing with the limited AI of heroes hero.
Plant Power Block, Power Return and Power Drain on a hero and watch them use Drain once they need energy and Block on the spell whose line takes most of the foes skill bar. Shall we?
When it comes to advance skills - eg. those that actually have an additional effect after the first part of the skill's description - watch the AI fail.
And that's regarding the mesmer heroes.
(And of course that's not just regarding the mesmer skills. Maintaining enchantments anyone?)

And regarding the mesmer in general - let's see how HM with it's double casting foes did massive steps for the recognition of the mesmer class. The game is putting more and more emphasis on active skills - and those skills live and breathe off balance! So once you have foes cheating (as bosses and pretty much all of HM foes do!) - the balance gets trashed.
So no - the mesmer doesn't have issues because of the skills or the design of the class.
The mesmer has issues because of the the laziness of the devs in designing PvE. It just doesn't fit in very well because the balance, that is the core of the mesmer class, is near to non-existent in PvE!
It's an insanely sweet class held back by the stupidity of the PvE experience!
The mesmer can still leave a mark though.
But the big question is - can the other classes do it better?

I understand what ur saying, but judgement lack's any back up to ur claims on the PvE mesmer hero or not, and if it werent for mesmer hero(Norgu) i wouldnt have 4 missions of Hard Mode done, cus with the RIGHT build, the mesmer shuts down the ele's and and monks and makes it a lot easier, plus any one ever watched the Mesmer video on youtube.com where she solo's all of UnderWorld??? and the other video where she solo's Tombs of the primeval kings???,,, Not to mention most solo builds require half mesmer anyway,,, either way do not judge mesmer's on ur lack of experience on the proffession and ur lack of seeing someone whop can use 1, anyway peace

P.S Mods/admin delete this useless thread!!!

gloria vander belt · Aug 31, 2007, 11:08 AM // 11:08

my bad i read ur post completely wrong

yes A-Net was lazy in its design!!

kravex · Aug 31, 2007, 11:11 AM // 11:11

She's annoying in the first game, so being a Mesmer is fitting :-)

iridescentfyre · Aug 31, 2007, 11:16 AM // 11:16

In pre-searing, she said she admired Lady Althea and someday wanted to be a Mesmer just like her. Oh and by the way, welcome to Guild Wars, a game in which Mesmer is the most underrated class imaginable.

tmakinen · Aug 31, 2007, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

welcome to Guild Wars, a game in which Mesmer is the most underrated class imaginable.

... along with all the other professions that don't belong to the W - E - Mo holy trinity. Well, one specific family of builds (MM) has since given some grace to necros but most other professions are still looked down like lepers despite each of them having their strong points if properly played.

Yanman.be · Aug 31, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

Lol, Coloneh, epic trolling.

wilebill · Aug 31, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

Matter of indifference what she is, really, Coloneh. If you played through Nightfall, you are overstocked on heroes anyway. Just use her on quests and other activities where she is required. Meh.

Any class in the game can be powerful, but only if you've played one of those and know basically how the class works. It also helps to have a wide selection of the class skills to choose from.

Mesmers are probably the least popular, especially with action-oriented younger players, and hence your supply of Mesmer skills is probably somewhat limited.

Mesmers are for subtle and sneaky older players who like to put nails in your tires while you're eating lunch!

Mister O · Aug 31, 2007, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

still pissed. tmesmers suck at PvE. theres no place in my party for a character just because she has pretty clothes.

My Norgu kills Willa the Unpleasant under 10 seconds in HM, tell me if other professions can do that.

pkodyssey · Aug 31, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

Coloneh

You need to open the mind. Mesmers r0x0r the big 11!!!11one!1!.

I use a 6 way interrupt build with Psychic Instability. Everything gets interrupted and knocked down.

WOOT!

Darkobra · Aug 31, 2007, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

your right mesmers are totally useless why have mesmer heros.

*cleans the juice from my monitor* Sorry. Too funny.

Komes I · Aug 31, 2007, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Mesmers do rock in both PvE and... man i hate to fight Mesmer in PvP. They make me kick my own ass and to feel good about it.

EternalTempest · Aug 31, 2007, 12:29 PM // 12:29

All I know is with Gwen set up as an Intrupt any mob I fight has Great difficulty casting anything, and if your an elite

your going down so fast it's not funny.

Floski · Aug 31, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

Ever tried to tell that to, well, quite many monsters in PvE? Rotscale and Glint come to mind, just last night did Boreas HM and Argo and Zhu Hanuku were both much nicer to meet with a competent shutdown ranger in the party. Heck, several Factions and NF ele and rit bosses instawipe your party in HM without proper shutdown.

Yeah. Exactly. I'd much rather have a broadhead arrow ranger with apply, d shot, savage shot, higher armor, than some squishy mesmer. Dazed + minions + flail warrior sitting on an ele boss = ele boss that will die before getting a single spell off. Can the mesmer say the same thing? Of course not.

Can someone tell me where a mesmer would be better than say a curse necro or a BHA ranger? Monster fights never last long enough for diversion to be handy. And it's not like monsters say OMG I GOT DIVERSION ON ME, I BETTER STOP CASTING FOR 6 SECONDS.

Pwny Ride · Aug 31, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by Floski

And it's not like monsters say OMG I GOT DIVERSION ON ME, I BETTER STOP CASTING FOR 6 SECONDS.

...you...fail?

Toutatis · Aug 31, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Mesmers, and while hero AI might not be totally effective all the time, are still killers in PvE. The issue with an interrupt ranger using BHA is that the Dazed condition only causes interrupts when you're attacking the dazed monster. What if there's another monster nearby who represents the same threat? Most of the BHA rangers I've run into don't know how to fully utilise the elite's abilities by going off-target to interrupt something else, and no hero AI can do that either unless you micromanage targeting.

Power Block on its own is insanely good as it doesn't just interrupt an enemy caster - 99% of the time in PvE it will also completely shut them down. This is where micromanagement comes in for hero mesmers; the trick is getting them to shut down a different target to the one that the rest of the team is beating up. Once you've learned how do do that, having Norgu or Gwen around adds a tremendous boost to your chances of survival. Of course, add a competent BHA ranger into the mix as well and you have 2 spellcasters shut down and one other monster interrupted. Someone tell me why that is not useful considering the number of enemies you're up against in PvE.

Floski · Aug 31, 2007, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

...you...fail?

Hey wussup. My name is Pwny Ride and instead of actually saying anything of value or supporting a stance that I've taken, I say 2 words that mean very little. Sup guys.

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What if there's another monster nearby who represents the same threat?

I've /never/ seen this. Been through all three campaigns numerous times, this has never been the case, not even in hardmode is this the case. BHA = poison spreader, interupts, and dazed, one of the most powerful conditions in PvE. And he has much more survivability with stances and increased armor.

Yes this whole "mesmers are awesome in PvE!" fad is amazingly cute. Some attempt to make PvEer's feel like PvE isn't more than just tank, kill, heal, move on. Not every class needs to be great in both PvP and PvE. I'd rather have minions that cause bleeding and poison, and AoE armor ignoring damage, 3 Eles with met shower and searing flames and mark of rodgorts, 1 BHA ranger with interupts and more poison spreading, and a few monks to keep the party alive.

cR4zY-n^ · Aug 31, 2007, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Mesmers are a great class just like anything else.

Kyp Jade · Aug 31, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Mesmers are fun, and a skill like Cry of Frustration is just win, I always take that when I play a caster.

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