Curse

Qual · Oct 15, 2007, 08:48 AM // 08:48

If GW gets more casual, it will get too boring and easy. The Great Destroyer in Normal Mode, he was so easy, it wasn't even funny.

freekedoutfish · Oct 15, 2007, 09:38 AM // 09:38

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Originally Posted by Mineria

As I see it.
Spreading every thing out over the entire player base will eventually make it less special and more boring, since there will be no higher goals to aim for.
Things are just not cool if every one has them.
At that point you could as well play local rpg or some first person shooter, instead of playing in a part multiplayer online rpg action game.

discuss

Yet they add rank 5 requirement to armors in GWEN, to make you put some personal effort in and people complain!

Either players want everything given to them, or they want to work for them. You cant please everyone.

Jongo River · Oct 15, 2007, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Sigh... you just don't get the complaints about grind, do you freaked? It's not about wanting everything for free, it's about wanting the rewards for genuine challenge and a journey that's actually *fun*.

An armour that has ties to rank or completion is worthless to me. There's simply no point in it being there. But fine, enjoy your GW:EN, spend your days point farming, get one of those Norn crowns and become the king of mediocrity - for all your hard "work".

freekedoutfish · Oct 15, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

Sigh... you just don't get the complaints about grind, do you freaked? It's not about wanting everything for free, it's about wanting the rewards for genuine challenge and a journey that's actually *fun*.

An armour that has ties to rank or completion is worthless to me. There's simply no point in it being there. But fine, enjoy your GW:EN, spend your days point farming, get one of those Norn crowns and become the king of mediocrity - for all your hard "work".

How is any of this reputation stuff/earning removed the fun from GWEN? Are you purely playing just to get new armor and show off? Do you not like playing the other 90% of the game which exists?

As ive said about 100 times now, rank 5 for armor and weapons on all races can be done by just playing the game, doing all quests and dungeons.

Its even easier now you get 20k+ from handbooks and dungeon books.

If you dont like replaying quests and dungeons and filling those books up to earn points then why in gods name are you playing GWs and GWEN. GWEN is primarily pve and the entire point of the expansion is to play quests and dungeons.

Its honestly beyond me as to why people are still complaining about grind in GWEN to get armor or to max ranks out.

Your only being asked to do, what you would be doing anyway.

You replay quests and dungeons and earn reputation for doing them all or most. You all play dungeons anyway to get the drops and the chest items, so whats the issue?

I get the impression alot of people bought GWEN for no better reason then for easy access to new armor, weapons and skills and had no intention of actually playing the expansion.

And I have no intention of earnin a crown, because I dont enjoy norn tournaments or boxing or polymock. I find the boring.

I also dont enjoy bounty hunting and I found the update to the handbooks to be a huge relief. I mean FGS 2 minutes after the update I handed my handbook in (which I had saved until then) and went from rank 7 to rank 8 vanguard in 1 second.

Honestly, if you dont like armor being tied to the completion of the game, then why are you playing?

Most games on the market expect you to finish the game before you unlock stuff, so why is it an issue in GWs?

It obviously wasnt an issue in factions or NF for endgame armor, so why here?

Rocky Raccoon · Oct 15, 2007, 12:29 PM // 12:29

Casual = Easier? I think not. Casual should mean you play at your own pace, be it an hour at a time or longer. I want to be able to play at my pace whether it be frenetic or leisurely, GW can be both which can fit the way I feel when I log on.

Deadly Eyezz · Oct 15, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

i'd love to find official ways to make money for real..
Instead of farming for hours which i kinda find it illegal because they keep nerfing it, or standing at kamadan/LA/K-center for hours spamming wtb/wts isn't really my thing and every other cusal player thing..

arcady · Oct 15, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

If I wanted to be more 1337 than other geeks, I'd play a PvP game. I don't. So I could care less whether or not other people have the things I have. That is meaningless.

Most people who play games play them on a casual basis - here and there for a few hours and not much more. The more games support this kind of player the more successful they will be. Supporting casual play is critical, which is why the GW philosophy of skill > time is so appealing.

This sort of here and there play is perfect for multiplayer games, which are more about community and socialization that about being 1337, king of the geeks, or whatever... If you want that, there's always Halo or whatever the PvP-pwning game of the day happens to be. Multiplayer games about community and a relaxed play approach are for the rest of us - that greater majority of people out there who just want to enjoy our games in relaxation and hang out with each other online.

Guildersleeve · Oct 15, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

I find the game casual enough as it is. There are plenty of opportunities in Nightfall or GW:EN to casually play for 30 minutes or so and have some fun. What Anet should not do however is break the link between expended effort and rewards. If you want fame and fortune in GW...earn it.

billypowergamer · Oct 15, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

I really don't see what the problem is. Like someone else said, the game is as casual as you want it to be. Example: My wife and I play at a different pace. We are both able to enjoy the game perfectly fine. While I am filling up my HM hero book in GWEN, she is making her way through nightfall for the first time. If she wants to play once a week and take her time and not have maxed out heros/pve skills/titles, that's her choice, and somehow we can still play together when we feel like it

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The game is fine as it is, it allows you to be as casual or hardcore as you want.

Mournblade · Oct 15, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

We've got sunglasses now, how about shorts and t-shirts? That's about as casual as you can get I think...

You can't see me · Oct 15, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Mournblade

We've got sunglasses now, how about shorts and t-shirts? That's about as casual as you can get I think...

Elementalists have Mini Skirts too. All they have to do is not wear a top piece and they'll be ready for some volleyball on the Krytan Beach.

Rexsis Kai · Oct 15, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

I myself do not believe it would be wise to make GW a casual game. Because then people who play for an hour would get the same items someone who before making it casual would have had to work several hours to get. In a way I see the reasoning that, hey the people that have full time jobs and friends and family that they spend time with and can only play every so often would like to get more for the time invested, but if you have that much going on in your life how about not play GW? How about play something thats SP (single player) that you have no one to compete with, because I like that I have to be on for 3+ hours out of the day to do something useful not just log on for 5 minutes and be level 20 with godly gear.... Just does not make sense to me, plus people who complain about it NEEDS to be more casual are the people who are in a rush to get to that end game item and want it now, lol! I although have an idea for both sides to live in harmony, create an option or a different server that would be for those who want casual play? something like non-ladder on Diablo, were you can accomplish things faster and find better loot for your time spent, and for those who like to farm consistantly to find good loot keep it in the original server. that way both sides are happy and no one is complaining about the guy who found this godly elemental weapon of server deletation +9 smiting...(yes im being dramatic) and go on casualy playing or competing, yes sorry for droning on and on but, i hope i said something usefull out of all this gobly gook....

bryann380 · Oct 15, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

My definition of casual play is not rushing through the game. Why is it so important for many other players to do everything in GW as quickly as possible? But these days, people are far more concerned with becoming uber rich than actually playing the game.

darkknightkain · Oct 16, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

1. Make GRINDS

optional
- Get rid of GRINDS that is tied to progressing the game
- Get rid of GRINDS that is tied to getting into groups
- Get rid of GRINDS that is tied to accessing shops
- Get rid of GRINDS that is tied to powering up skills
- Make the rest GRIND achievements ACCOUNT-BASED

2. More Customizations

- Game Difficulty Select: Beginner-Easy-Normal-Hard-ExHard...
- Party Size: Full party 10-8-6-4-2 members
- No.Heroes Allowed: Allow 7-5-3-1-0 heroes

quickmonty · Oct 16, 2007, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Create a new character. Start game with everything. Walk around in explorable areas killing Charr or picking flowers ...... whichever you prefer.

Theus · Oct 16, 2007, 12:35 AM // 00:35

The ability to be just as powerful as anyone else,without having to spend as much time playing as everyone else.

The perfect example of this is the Collector Chain Mail and FoW.While both are asthetically different and have very different prices,but are exactly the same.Neither have an advantage.

The only advantage another player should have over the other is their knowledge of the game.

Unfortunately this changed in Nightfall,and GW:EN.If only the..."mini-games" (Norn Arena,Brawling,Etc) yield far larger Faction purses.I'd gladily get my Norn/Dwarven faction through the Arena and Brawling.

zamial · Oct 16, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

lol play sword of the new world if you really need a more casual game or just check out there forums. a signature from 1 of there players is: "SotNW the only MMO you can play while eating pistachios"

I played it and it was entertaining for 1 day then it was as exciting as a lobotomy ward.

Seriously, I think gw is a nice balance between casual and hard core. It has alot to offer for the casual player, especially factions the entire campaign can be played in 30 min sessions. What is truly amazing is the "casual" players want all the benefits that the "hardcore" gamers have. well it is not fair to those of us that have put in hours to accomplish our goals. Besides next to nothing in the game is impacted other than prestige or looks with the casual vs. hardcore players.

Fact: you do not need any titles.

I beat NF with a light bringer 1 just to do it.
The only difference from the armor in gw:en from the 1k max is looks. It offers no additional benefits. If you really like the way prestige armor looks don't whine that you don't want to put in the effort/time to get it.THAT IS WHY IT IS PRESTIGE ARMOR. People always think they need to be there own unique butterfly. *whack* wake up.

baldefar · Oct 16, 2007, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Making game casuall != making game easy.
Making game casuall != no goals to strive for.

Besides, noone really defines casuall player. by half definitions i am super casuall and by others i am super hardcore.

there are goals in gw hmm

Redfeather1975 · Oct 16, 2007, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Add pina colada bars and karaoke machines to GW2.
/me yells
Doo eet noooow!!

hallomik · Oct 16, 2007, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Any time you hear a politician talking about making things better for "the children," you know that politician has his own agenda and is using people's natural sympathy for "the children" to get support for what he wants.

I think the same thing is true on these forums for "the casual player." No one who regularly posts on these forums is a casual player.

When lootscaling first came out, all the hardcore farmers wrote these long posts about how lootscaling was going to hurt "the casual player." In reality, they couln't give a rat's ass about anyone but themselves.

And actually, that's fine. If your experience is made worse by something, by all means let people know. Just spare us the "I'm worried about he casual player" talk.