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TiNkLeR · Oct 24, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

/totallysigned !!!!!!!!

Signation · Oct 24, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

If they just had the motive to add a tad bit of marketing, plus a PVP pack released with all skills in the game for around 40$ while promoting the next championship we might see PVP in a more lively state. This should have been done a while ago though.
IMO the people that left the game won't make a comeback for any lengthly amount of time even if there were another GWWC. Crappy expansions with untweaked skills, boredom, skill balances that took forever, and a stale ladder for over 8+months with the promise of AT's which just made GVGing all that more difficult and timely killed the PVP scene.

To clear up some common ideas here people seem to be throwing out, I'll answer with what I think to be my ideas on the matter.

The game may be different then it was when the game was released, but there certainly still involves skill, skirmishability, and finesse. My post should not be read to assume the current state of guild wars, in fact, I think at least to a small degree Anet has done a decent job at taming some of the more overpowered skills and metas, if handling them the wrong way (eg. waiting for their abuse before taking action. However, in all, I think that if greater interest were taken in the PvP, in its most skill-inducing (I asserted earlier) form GvG, the game could see a fresh new batch of players, in addition to perhaps many old players coming back to a game that now has an incredible system of automated tournaments. Like Josh (Myth Axiom of Team Quitter) said on the QQ forums, imagine a world where the AT system had existed since the beginning of prophecies, how amazing the game would have been. The problems the game face now result in a stale player base, and unfortunately the same teams clashing heads every 30 minutes every night, which is leaving little incentive for teams to become competitive, bar the monthly tournament. In my opinion, with a larger base of players set to make names for themselves, this game could reform itself and become interesting again. I have seen the creation of many grass-roots ground-up GvG oragnisations recently in light of helping to educate those who simply are confused by GvG and its complex mechanics. I look forward to seeing how Anet addresses a movement taken in part by both communities, because in reality it is you here, who have a voice with ArenaNet. We are simply trying to encourage you to help us reinvigorate the community which separated Guild Wars from other previous MORPGS.

Thanks,
Matt

PS. 400+ in Two days! Keep up the great work, we should definitely be able to make at least some kind of case for a discussion of some sort with ArenaNet, or maybe as Ekeleon or other players have said, the forfeiture of monthly prizes for something like airfare to a tournament where sponsors could be sought after by a team of players who were devoted enough to volunteer to help. I for one would love to help coordinate such an event, if ArenaNet only give us the word to go.

DutchSmurf · Oct 24, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

I don't want to spoil the dreams everyone is having here, but seriously, does anyone signing either of these threads think that it has any use? Don't get me wrong, I would love another championship, but there are people making it sound like a championship will save the game and bring it back to the old days. And that is skipping the fact that doing another championship is completely unrealistic. Players paying for their own travel and things like that might sound nice on paper, but you are talking about +$1000 per person.
And I actually looked it up. A ticket to Seattle from the Netherlands on a random day in day week in April (just picking something) and coming back a couple of days later costs me 650EUR. My hotelroom will cost another 750EUR or so. Including food and drinks. And then I have to do with a very cheap hotel I guess. 1400EUR for a trip to a championship per person. 8 people per team, 6 teams, makes 67.200EUR to get the players there. Someone will have to pay that. And I think it is a low estimate. Add all other costs that need to be made and you and you will easily get to more then double that. Far more probably. You aren't going to bring 48 people to the States just to play some games in a random room without public of course. They could have just stayed home then and play from there. So add marketing (marketing that won't pay itself back, no new game to market this time), a room that allows for the playing and the public, all hardware needed to host it, etc, etc. You probably easily pass the 500.000 point. And that is without any prices.
You can bring the costs down by finding sponsors of course. But which company is going to sponsor something like this? The organization that did the WoW championship (and some other games like Guitar Hero) stopped because it ran out of money. If you can't find sponsors for a game as big as WoW, can we really expect to find them for a game like GW?

So what I want to know is, except for the fact that a championship is fun for the players, why would a company that wants to make profit do a championship like the one we are asking for?

Mello_Macabre · Oct 24, 2007, 10:30 PM // 22:30

/signed

I'd love to see another Championship, but need big skill balance so we can see different things ran, like the first two GWWC's

KicknDave · Oct 24, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

/signed

I'd gladly donate to the cause.

Sasuke The Betrayer · Oct 24, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

/signed

although I'm not a pvper anymore, I really enjoyed watching the previous world championships.

/signed again
/signed and again
/signed and again...

leprekan · Oct 25, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by DutchSmurf

I don't want to spoil the dreams everyone is having here, but seriously, does anyone signing either of these threads think that it has any use? Don't get me wrong, I would love another championship, but there are people making it sound like a championship will save the game and bring it back to the old days. And that is skipping the fact that doing another championship is completely unrealistic. Players paying for their own travel and things like that might sound nice on paper, but you are talking about +$1000 per person.
And I actually looked it up. A ticket to Seattle from the Netherlands on a random day in day week in April (just picking something) and coming back a couple of days later costs me 650EUR. My hotelroom will cost another 750EUR or so. Including food and drinks. And then I have to do with a very cheap hotel I guess. 1400EUR for a trip to a championship per person. 8 people per team, 6 teams, makes 67.200EUR to get the players there. Someone will have to pay that. And I think it is a low estimate. Add all other costs that need to be made and you and you will easily get to more then double that. Far more probably. You aren't going to bring 48 people to the States just to play some games in a random room without public of course. They could have just stayed home then and play from there. So add marketing (marketing that won't pay itself back, no new game to market this time), a room that allows for the playing and the public, all hardware needed to host it, etc, etc. You probably easily pass the 500.000 point. And that is without any prices.
You can bring the costs down by finding sponsors of course. But which company is going to sponsor something like this? The organization that did the WoW championship (and some other games like Guitar Hero) stopped because it ran out of money. If you can't find sponsors for a game as big as WoW, can we really expect to find them for a game like GW?

So what I want to know is, except for the fact that a championship is fun for the players, why would a company that wants to make profit do a championship like the one we are asking for?

Exactly. The money that would be wasted on this by Anet would pay for another expansion that THEY make money from.

PvE Less IMO · Oct 25, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by leprekan

Exactly. The money that would be wasted on this by Anet would pay for another expansion that THEY make money from.

What do you want another shit expansion like GWEN?
/signed a thousand times

Lord Sojar · Oct 25, 2007, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by PvE Less IMO

What do you want another shit expansion like GWEN?
/signed a thousand times

Don't EVAR say that stuff again, you n00bZ0R! Insulting ANET is like insulting my Mom, you just don't go there!

/unsigned

PvP is for n00bZ0Rz!

[riVen] · Oct 25, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

/absolutely signed.

Skuld · Oct 25, 2007, 09:08 AM // 09:08

Heads in the clouds tbh.

Andrew Patrick · Oct 25, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Hey guys,

I just wanted you to know that this is something I am pursuing, and I hope to have a response to share soon.

Signation · Oct 25, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick

Hey guys,

I just wanted you to know that this is something I am pursuing, and I hope to have a response to share soon.

Thanks alot Andrew, I'd love to help out if possible, however small or large that may be.

I will PM you my email, but my IGN name is above.

Thanks,
Matt

Rinobmxteen · Oct 25, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

thanks andrew

Monko Monko · Oct 25, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

/signed
It would help to call the community back to GW, since its kinda died atm =/

leprekan · Oct 25, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Monko Monko

/signed
It would help to call the community back to GW, since its kinda died atm =/

High end PvP ... wasn't the bulk of the community. This won't help to slow the mass exodus away from gw. The other day got to watch a guy selling "silver trim cape memberships 20k" in LA. Given the spam rate of his ad ... nobody was buying. Sissy Boys got killed for that when pvp was still fun .. granted it was on Ebay but same should apply to anyone selling memberships. Those are the people we are supposed to want to emulate?

PvP has killed itself with Anet catering to the "elite" it keeps new people outside looking in because at this stage of the game it is almost impossible for them to get into a top guild. All those lame fotms that were nerfed because of the crying of the "elite" is what killed pvp not a lack of contests. People want to win. Those fotms gave the unranked pugs a fighting chance .. slim but a chance at beating the better players. That is what the "elite" didn't like .. not that they were facing the same builds a lot. Those lame fotms brought NEW people to pvp that would grow tired of the fotm that gave them a way in and move on to other builds and eventually to gvg. You took away that stepping stone and wonder why the gene pool is drying up.

I hit rank 10 long ago .. before you think it is rank envy that is driving this post. I left pvp out of simple boredom, gw is a great game but if I want high end pvp I play a FPS. The money wasted and yes it would be WASTED on this would be better spent keeping the bulk of their players happy till gw2 comes out.

Chilly Ress · Oct 25, 2007, 08:35 PM // 20:35

Although the bulk of the community wasn't in high-end PvP as stated, a high percentage of the bulk of the community liked the WC's, liked talking about PvP, liked having something to work towards, and liked seeing 'celebrities' in Guild Wars. Right now, anyone can buy into a gold or silver cape guild or get top 100 on the ladder in a day. Now that I think of this, there were thousands of PvPers that have left, and that is a large number of players, possibly larger than the PvE'ers that left just because they got bored.

crunch666 · Oct 25, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

/signed
Thanks Andrew for they reply, hoping for the best.

[EW]Elendar · Oct 25, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

so very signed

person a · Oct 25, 2007, 09:46 PM // 21:46

/signed, gogo andrew!!!