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Nadia Roark · Sep 25, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Darksun

Yeah, it's almost as mature as acting like your one these "children's" parents to stroke your ego. Or you could be "mature enough" to deal with it and move on.

Sorry, but I've been a Moderator on another site for five years. It's kind of ingrained now

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Originally Posted by Darksun

Make no mistake, you're no better than the people you are berating.

A quote for the ages.

I'm not the one talking about getting a lawyer over what is printed on a game box. I'm not the one asking Anet where the "other nine armors are" when I alraedy know they counted Dwarven as part of the "Forty new armor sets." Methinks some people need to learn when to quit while they're ahead. Or, in some cases, when they're as close to ahead as they're going to get.

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Originally Posted by Darksun

I think pointing out the drop in quality of the armor is a perfectly valid point. MANY people have getting new armor as a goal. This is obviously supported by the fact that in EotN you have to AQUIRE A FACTION LEVEL just to get it. They know that people like to work toward this end, just like people like beating the game. Hell, they even put it on the box! Having the "new" sets be a (for the most part) a bunch of reskins is laughable. It may not end the game, there are other things to do, but people should definitely bring to Anets attention that many people find this cheesy..

This might be hard to believe, but concerns can actually be raised without whining like a stymied child in a Toys R Us. Believe it or not, I too feel the drop in armor quality is a valid point. In fact, my main character (the one after which this account is named) used to be a pvp character, but when I stopped HAing I made her pve so I could protect the name for good and so I could collect armors. In case this point is lost on you, that means that I am one of those people who "like[s] to work towards this end;" in fact, armor acquisition is at the moment my main purpose in playing GW. I don't like the reskins either, but you get what you pay for and if you really wanted to be that discerning, you'd have waited until the wiki articles came up to buy GWEN. From where I sit, the lot of you don't have a leg to stand on when you rush out to buy expansions the day they come out only to find you're disappointed with the content. If you really feel like you've wasted your money, perhaps this will teach you to research the product first.

Now don't get me wrong: I bought GWEN the day it came out. I'm not entirely satisfied (it doesn't feel like a full expansion to me, but at least it didn't cost fifty bucks), but I'm not about to whine about the armors because I could have always waited to see them first. Next time, if you're that concerned about it, just wait until the goddamn wikis come up and then ask yourself if its worth it. If the armors all suck (as many here seem to be suggesting) because they're reskins, you don't have to buy the expansion. Huzzah for Capitalism!

Darksun · Sep 25, 2007, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

A quote for the ages.

I'm not the one talking about getting a lawyer over what is printed on a game box. I'm not the one asking Anet where the "other nine armors are" when I alraedy know they counted Dwarven as part of the "Forty new armor sets." Methinks some people need to learn when to quit while they're ahead. Or, in some cases, when they're as close to ahead as they're going to get.

No, you're the one acting as if you knew better than everyone and look down from your mountain of perfect knowledge about how to act. Calling out a lawyer may be stupid, but don't act like you've "got it". Most people aren't freaking out that bad, they just think the reskins suck.

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

If you really want to bitch and complain here about something as exasperatingly trivial as a handful of incomplete armor pieces...

And moaning about what people post on the board is not "exasperatingly trivial" in comparison? please...

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Now don't get me wrong: I bought GWEN the day it came out. I'm not entirely satisfied (it doesn't feel like a full expansion to me, but at least it didn't cost fifty bucks), but I'm not about to whine about the armors because I could have always waited to see them first. Next time, if you're that concerned about it, just wait until the goddamn wikis come up and then ask yourself if its worth it. If the armors all suck (as many here seem to be suggesting) because they're reskins, you don't have to buy the expansion. Huzzah for Capitalism!

That's the dumbest things I've ever heard. You, in one breath say you're not satisfied, and in another say others who aren't satisfied need to not buy the game or shut up. Like I said, some people think the reskins suck, but still like the game. That would be people like me. I certainly think the quality of the armor & dungeons should have been better for what we paid, but I'll pay it.
You're taking people's displeasure with the armor (and people saying give us sets or admit this 40 thing is bunk) and blowing out of proportion because a few people want to go about it by lawyer talk and asking for refunds. Your straw man is dead, now if you want to attack the 2-3 people on this thread that actually act as you describe, at least IM them and keep yourself looking "mature enough to deal with it".
Personally, I don't care all that much about the 40# thing. (although I find it interesting that they made the whole situation confusing) I just think the reskins were a cop-out. Do I want then to make REAL sets? Sure, why not? I can use the "40 new sets" as an argument, or I can just use common sense and say "Anet, you know reskinning is a cop-out. Comon."

Nadia Roark · Sep 25, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Darksun

No, you're the one acting as if you knew better than everyone and look down from your mountain of perfect knowledge about how to act. Calling out a lawyer may be stupid, but don't act like you've "got it". Most people aren't freaking out that bad, they think the reskins suck.

Someone has to do it

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That's the dumbest things I've ever heard.

You must not get out much.

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You, in one breath say you're not satisfied, and in another say others who aren't satisfied need to not buy the game or shut up.

Incorrect. I say I'm not entirely satisfied, but that bitching about reskins or dwarf armor "sets" is pointless because if that's why you're buying the game, just wait for the wikis to come out. I bought GWEN so I could port some of my stuff to GW2, and for added pve content and skills. I like to pvp every now and again so it was important to me that I have all the skills in the game at my beck and call. Those are my own reasons just as everyone else has theirs. But buying GWEN for the armors without waiting to see what they look like first is an error on the buyer's part, not ANet's.

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Like I said, some people think the reskins suck, but still like the game. That would be people like me. I certainly think the quality of the armor & dungeons should have been better for what we paid, but I'll pay it.
You're taking people's displeasure with the armor (and people saying give us sets or admit this 40 thing is bunk) and blowing out of proportion because a few people want to go about it by lawyer talk and asking for refunds.

You've got people typing in all caps and threatening lawsuits and I'm the one blowing it out of proportion?

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Your straw man is dead, now if you want to attack the 2-3 people on this thread that actually act as you describe, at least call them by name.

But really though, it never ceases to amaze me how few people are actually capable of recognizing a straw man. Explain to me how "Marketing bends the truth sometimes" and "You don't have to buy new expansions" are straw men, please. Those, being my two main points, would have to be straw men for your accusation to be valid.

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Personally, I don't care all that much about the 40 # thing. (although I find it interesting that they made the whole situation confusing) I just think the reskins were a cop-out. Do I want then to make REAL sets? Sure, why not? I can use the "40 new sets" as an argument, or I can just use common sense and say "Anet, you know reskinning is a cop-out. Comon."

Agreed. Now if you can only do away with the self-righteous BS about defending whiners from my "parenting," we should be set. Sorry if I prefer my complaints to be more structured and substantive, but I call em as I see em.

CHUIU · Sep 25, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

QQ more people, really. You should be more pissed that the individual sets of armor are recycled skins more so than the fact there aren't 40 full new sets.

iridescentfyre · Sep 25, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Oh yeah totally. They said "40 new armor sets" instead of "200 new armor pieces." You guys should definitely write letters to your Congressmen about these questionable business practices.

...because then you might be too busy to continue posting this garbage.

Darksun · Sep 25, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

You must not get out much.

I guess that makes two of us since you can't seem to hold back from acting as if you knew better than everyone.

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Incorrect. I say I'm not entirely satisfied, but that bitching about reskins or dwarf armor "sets" is pointless because if that's why you're buying the game, just wait for the wikis to come out.

Wow.. and you say I don't know what a strawman is. Not everyone here is bitching about the armor because we only want armor from the game. I know it's hard for you to grasp, but some people complain because that causes change too.

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

You've got people typing in all caps and threatening lawsuits and I'm the one blowing it out of proportion?

Yes. You lump everyone into the "retard reaction" catergory, by just addressing everyone when you know full well not everyone is reacting that way.

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

But really though, it never ceases to amaze me how few people are actually capable of recognizing a straw man. Explain to me how "Marketing bends the truth sometimes" and "You don't have to buy new expansions" are straw men, please. Those, being my two main points, would have to be straw men for your accusation to be valid.

lol no. Those are the two points you choose to pick out of your tirade. Your defining what I think before I even say it, your assumption that everyone that complains about the armor hates it enough to not buy the game is a strawman.

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

Agreed. Now if you can only do away with the self-righteous BS about defending whiners from my "parenting," we should be set. Sorry if I prefer my complaints to be more structured and substantive, but I call em as I see em.

Oh please. Don't stand on a mountain then point the finger and say "self-righteous BS". If you have issues with people point THEM out. Don't lump them into the "complainers = idiot" category. I say you're no better than the people here because people are people, but acting like you've got the inside scoop on life isn't much better than whining about lawyer action. Maybe that's just my pet peeve, maybe it's the way you do it, but as you say, someone's gotta say it.

Prophet Ascension · Sep 25, 2007, 09:34 PM // 21:34

wow you guys are such losers. grow up and stop crying about the new armor sets. "aww i only get 3 new armor sets instead of 4!

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark
You've got people typing in all caps and threatening lawsuits and I'm the one blowing it out of proportion?

and as for lawsuits, you'll lose the case. if your not aware this is a forum for a video game. grow up the courts don't give a shit about what you say on a forum.

unienaule · Sep 25, 2007, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Both of you making extremely long flame posts directed at each other and you both are trying to take the "i'm more mature" stance?

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The mature person would be the one who just lets it go, and that's pretty clearly neither of you.

Diddy bow · Sep 25, 2007, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by fenix

We have a winner.

I have the EOTN box in my hand RIGHT NOW, and it clearly says "40 new armor sets". False advertising kthx.

I want to find the other 29

lol at the bichfest XD

giangn626 · Sep 25, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

dood. the guy that said he would get his lawyer is obviously joking. you guys ever heard of a joke? but yea, i am one of those people who play and aim at getting new armor. i am disappointed in the reskins and the lack of the fourth set, but what can we do about it. Areanet knows were mad, and im sure theyve thought about it. They are going to either reskin one more armor set/release another set, or have angry customers. Either way its their call. just depends on how much they want customers.

Nevin · Sep 25, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

So, dwarven armor wasn't designed? it fell of the sky? I mean, if developers design 4 sets per profession, that is 40 sets, no? doesn't matter if you can't buy all pieces in one NPC.

Lol, please. I guess you're trying to be a Tiananmen Square protester standing in front of the line of tanks?, hurry up and jump out of the way.

sm5 · Sep 25, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

Oh! I get the point now!! so ArenaNet just needs rename the "dwarven" parts with the same name for make it an armor set (10 seconds job) and add the armor code to HoM armor list (5 seconds job).

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Originally Posted by Ruby Lightheart

Its not that hard or big a coding job to allow it to be displayed..why do you torture us?

Please, please, please do not talk about the Guild Wars code base if you do not actually work on it. Most people who do talk about the "code" of GW usually don't know much about programming, and those who do know about programming should know how you might program an application is not how everyone else would. It could be a 15 second job like NeHoMaR said, but that's assuming something we do not know.

As for the 40 sets, there will probably be an "additional" release. I'd say hold your complaints until the release of Hard Mode.

Spazzer · Sep 25, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by Nadia Roark

I'm not the one asking Anet where the "other nine armors are" when I alraedy know they counted Dwarven as part of the "Forty new armor sets."

Gaile alraedy stated that Dwarven is not a set.

Alraedy this thread's getting derailed by you and Darksun; let's try to keep it on topic. It was funny at first, but it's alraedy getting old.

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Originally Posted by sm5

there will probably be an "additional" release. I'd say hold your complaints until the release of Hard Mode.

It would tickle me silly if the mission bonus pack was eotn-only and came with the missing set.

Curse You · Sep 25, 2007, 11:55 PM // 23:55

This talk of false advertising is just silly. All I see is people mis-interpreting something, and whining because their interpretation is wrong.

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Originally Posted by fenix

I have the EOTN box in my hand RIGHT NOW, and it clearly says "40 new armor sets". False advertising kthx.

You missed the rest of the line you're quoting.

"40 new armor sets, including rare, stand-alone pieces"

That means that in that 40 there are some rare stand-alone pieces. The Dwarven armour is stand alone pieces, and so is covered by the statement. Therefore, we got more than advertised.

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

This is what 'marketing' said:

40 new armor sets, including rare, stand-alone pieces

The Deldrimor armor would have been initially classed as a set, but later scrubbed down to being parts of stand-alone pieces, I see where you're coming from. It was... good of them (I guess) to tell us that Deldrimor armor isn't a set... but only after people started questioning them, but then they could have decided that before marketing the game... It just prevents the need for any hassle to come about. It's what good businesses do...

It didn't have to be a set ever. With the way that sentence is phrased, you could easily have only 1 actual "set" and just 39 Chest, Leg, Foot and Arm pieces, while still having what was stated. It all ends up being a matter of opinion.

zamial · Sep 26, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

Oh yeah totally. They said "40 new armor sets" instead of "200 new armor pieces." You guys should definitely write letters to your Congressmen about these questionable business practices.

...because then you might be too busy to continue posting this garbage.

What they said rofl.

Also omg not just the armors are reskins, its the monsters,the pets,the bosses,the items,the..... o wait a sec isn't everything supposed to look different? I Remember fighting some fire imps in proph and omg the ice imps are reskins too

....OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNooooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeesssssssssss

/sarcasm off

The game is a game, it is fun or it isn't. You decide. Don't assume that things are changing or staying the same. Enjoy what ya have while ya got it.

Lagg · Sep 26, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Posting in this historic trainwreck of a thread.

Seriously guys, hats off to you.

Just when I thought we had covered complaining about every conceivable aspect of GW:EN, you still come up with quality whining.

Good times.

Spazzer · Sep 26, 2007, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Curse You

You missed the rest of the line you're quoting.

"40 new armor sets, including rare, stand-alone pieces"

I wasn't aware they packaged two boxes. Can I see yours?

iridescentfyre · Sep 26, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by ArenaNet

40 new armor sets, including rare, stand-alone pieces.

This sentence contradicted itself before the game was even released.

That sentence explicitly states that those 40 includes stand-alone pieces--thus by definition they aren't 40 complete armor "sets." By that alone, you could have figured out that they didn't literally mean complete sets the very day that phrase came out in a press release.

By virtue of the fact that they came right out and said that those 40 sets included stand-alone pieces shows that they didn't intentionally mislead anyone. Its right there in black and white. If they said 40 sets, and then released 20 (or even just the equivalent of 20 in "stand-alone pieces"), you might have a valid point.

Paloma Song · Sep 26, 2007, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

I think what you're trying to say is that you're not very bothered that you've been lied to. Yay for you. On the other hand, I'm becoming very cynical of their business practices. Every single time they create a new gimmick to grab money or try to sleight customers on promised content, I become more and more dissatisfied.

Completely agree. "40" "new" and "sets" are all deliberately misleading, whether or not you were personally misled, whether or not you feel personally affected. Maybe you folks don't get upset over spending $40 (x2, in my case) for a product that turned out to be quite substantially less than what it promised on the label - but I do. I wouldn't call it "whining" if I bought any other product that didn't have all the pieces - I'd complain in just the same way, and then I'd take it back. Video games continue to, frustratingly, escape any liability for things like this, and that means that as customers, our only recourse is right here.

That, and not spending another dime on NCSoft products.

Nadia Roark · Sep 26, 2007, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Both of you making extremely long flame posts directed at each other and you both are trying to take the "i'm more mature" stance?

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The mature person would be the one who just lets it go, and that's pretty clearly neither of you.

I'm more than happy to drop it (since our conversation hasn't wheeled within, oh, say five miles of the topic in our last six or so posts) but I can't resist pointing out that I wasn't talking to or about Darksun to begin with. If I'm immature for defending my position, I suspect there isn't a single true adult among us.

But back to the topic at hand: I don't really mind that certain folks have complaints about Dwarven armor vis-a-vis the Hall of Monuments, but I get reeeeeally agitated (as I'm sure you can tell) when people really think they'll get their way by bitching as loudly and dumbly as they can. Part of the reason I'm so hard on them is because (are you ready for this?) I agree with them. I don't think endgame armor should be "mix and match;" and the tradition that anet has forged for endgame armor dating back to Prophecies was destroyed by the mechanics of Deldrimor armor.

However (and this is the important part), ANet probably isn't listening to the idiots shooting their mouths off about calling lawyers and whining about "false advertising." I'm concerned that legitimate concerns are being overlooked because the people raising them are (in most cases) doing a piss-poor job of explaining why the changes they don't like are either:

Bad for the game, or,
Displeasing to them as consumers

Saying "I don't like being lied to" may be true, but its hardly constructive criticism of how the developers and marketers handled the release of GWEN. The way some of these people are talking almost makes it sound like they're being forced to buy Dwarven Armor (by who? is ANet sending out its thugs?) since the chief compaint aside from cries of "false advertising" seems to be that it can't be displayed in the HoM.

Folks: If you don't like Dwarven Armor because it can't be displayed in the HoM, don't buy it. In fact.. if you don't like it for any reason at all, don't buy it!