Curse

Red Sonya · Nov 09, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

nah /unsigned you can start playing with human monks again.

Or you'll just HAVE to use two hero monks. Nobody said life was going to be easy for you forever now did they? hahahahahah

Phaern Majes · Nov 09, 2007, 08:24 PM // 20:24

/signed

Good ol' WoH

A_Muppet · Nov 09, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Here's a wacky idea. Let's wait and see if the changes are undone or not.

garethporlest18 · Nov 09, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

I bet a lot of money that LoD will be reverted back to the way it was.

Hence we should just wait and see.

Gun Pierson · Nov 09, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Now, solution is simple:

Divine Intervention --> Holy Haste /fixes good amount of LoD nerf, worked as kinda better trigger for deny hexes/
Vigorous Spirit --> (dream stuff would be giving him secondary and ANY emanagement skill) Signet of Rejuvenation - /just to fill 8th slot with something for him to do when hes zeroed energy/

I would find this a workable solution if LoD stays unreverted.

Mhenlo is important to me. As we don't get 7 heroes, I usually depend on him as my prime healer so I can use my 3 hero slots as part of a specific strategy. I don't wanne waste a hero slot on a healer if possible.

**cosyfiep** · Nov 09, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

nerf hits mhenlo....he screams in rage.....will he rage quit??? Will they get us another better healer???
well probably not, so
/signed its not a good update when it makes henchies even MORE useless than they already were.

kaheiyeh · Nov 09, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

/signed

But I'm actually more interested in removing Healing Touch from his bar. Nothing like Mhenlo running into a fight to heal someone.

HawkofStorms · Nov 09, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Eh... monk henchmen have never been great (Danika anybody?).
/notsigned
Status quo is fine.

Mordakai · Nov 09, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Why not just un-nerf LoD?

(at least for PvE) Seriously, the PvE balance debate is done, charred and buried.

Chthon · Nov 09, 2007, 10:31 PM // 22:31

On second thought, merely changing LoD for WoH isn't going to cut it, since it would leave him without any party healing. At the very least, his bar needs to be reworked to include both WoH and Heal Party. So, I suggest the following Mhenlo-quality (ie not-terrible-but-not-the-greatest, (almost) pure healing) skillbar:

12 Healing Prayers, 12 Divine Favor, 3 Protection Prayers
[skill]Word of Healing[/skill][skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill][skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill]

[skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Healing Breeze[/skill][skill]Heal Party[/skill][skill]Resurrection Chant[/skill]
(The skill with no mouseover is Cure Hex, for those without GWEN.)

Spazzer · Nov 09, 2007, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Bad bars itt.

If they change Mhenlo after this update, do they have to change him after the next one?

Kha · Nov 09, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

At the very least, his bar needs to be reworked to include both WoH and Heal Party.

Heal Party on a hench? We want his bar to get better than the nerfed LoD, not worse. Though I agree, a heal monk without a party heal in GW:EN is very painful with all the massive degen and multiple LS spiking. Not to mention some of the insane creatures in HM you just can't prot against. A hero trying to individually deal with all this damage drains their energy quickly; trust me, I learned this plenty of times while vanquishing. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the change even stays. And if it does, deal with it like all the changes before.

Seraphic Divinity · Nov 09, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kha

Heal Party on a hench? We want his bar to get better than the nerfed LoD, not worse. Though I agree, a heal monk without a party heal in GW:EN is very painful with all the massive degen and multiple LS spiking. Not to mention some of the insane creatures in HM you just can't prot against. A hero trying to individually deal with all this damage drains their energy quickly; trust me, I learned this plenty of times while vanquishing. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the change even stays. And if it does, deal with it like all the changes before.

QTF

L2E-MANAGE

You can't see me · Nov 09, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

/Signed.

His performance is lacking badly, and since Eye of the North is the only one any of my characters have not completed, it's a real pain.

Spazzer · Nov 09, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Y'all act like LoD got removed from the game completely.

They're not going to change the henchmen after every skill balance. They never have in the past, and they likely never will in the future.

madman24749 · Nov 10, 2007, 12:48 AM // 00:48

/signed
I definitely need Mhenlo healing decently . . .

More Outrage · Nov 10, 2007, 03:30 AM // 03:30

/not signed!

I still remember how the hench in prophesies were under lvl`ed for the areas they were available. So let`s face it if the original model had been followed we would be using lvl17 or even lvl15 hench in Vizunah and Sunspear Sanctuary. If you don`t like it revert back to using the hero monks that we all used first time we got them in Nightfall.

Adapt and survive. :P

Zinger314 · Nov 10, 2007, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by unienaule

Why not have them take a look at hench builds and re-work all of them? It would take one person maybe a week to do that. Sure, some of the stuff we get might end up bad, but some of the stuff we have now is bad too.

Won't happen. It's the argument Gaile keeps asserting against seven heroes; would make the game too easy and eliminate PuG interaction.

Chthon · Nov 10, 2007, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kha

Heal Party on a hench?

You answer yourself here:

Quote:

a heal monk without a party heal in GW:EN is very painful with all the massive degen and multiple LS spiking. Not to mention some of the insane creatures in HM you just can't prot against.

GWEN Mhenlo needs to have a party heal. There's only 2 to choose from -- the nerfed LoD, which has become a non-option, and Heal Party, which wins by default. Ergo, GWEN Mhenlo needs to have Heal Party. I'm not terribly pleased by this outcome, but I can see that there's no avoiding it.

Amon Warrior · Nov 10, 2007, 05:14 AM // 05:14

I can only hope that LoD nerf is only temporary...