Curse

lacasner · Nov 14, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Omg horns was busted up wtf

Sekkira · Nov 14, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

And you people say they don't listen.

Mhenlo will still suck just as much.

øln · Nov 14, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Awesome, just have to fix GoLE now.

Sleeper Service · Nov 14, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Scary Raebbit

PvE has enough corpses, unless you're doing it wrong.

hell yeah! why not just give Pve a ultra powered single spell that can kill everything in the screen (as long as you use it first) and remove all the other skills in the game! its not like we want to have fun or anything, we just wanna kill.

Sasuke The Betrayer · Nov 14, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

hell yeah! why not just give Pve a ultra powered single spell that can kill everything in the screen (as long as you use it first) and remove all the other skills in the game! its not like we want to have fun or anything, we just wanna kill.

Ursan blessing. Yays.

I Phoenix I · Nov 14, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

EW fails hard now, Barrage looks a lot better, wtf pets?

Chthon · Nov 14, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Assassin
Black Lotus Strike: decreased Energy gain to 5..18; this skill now counts as a lead attack.
Exposed Defenses: decreased duration to 1..11 seconds.
Horns of the Ox: decreased damage to 1..11.
Impale: increased casting time to 1 second.
Trampling Ox: decreased damage to 5..20.

Good.

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Mesmer
Ineptitude: increased recharge time to 20 seconds.

Whatever.

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Monk
Word of Healing: decreased unconditional heal amount to 5..130.

Good it was too strong. But now do something else to make heal worth using.

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Necromancer
Soul Reaping: no longer gains any benefit from Spirits.

Good. NOW GET RID OF THIS STUPID TIMER BULLSHIT! Zero energy from spirits, no stupid timers, just like people were saying months ago.

No, seriously, get rid of it. It serves no purpose any longer. With no SR from spirits and Jagged Bones retaining its long recharge, there's no way left to build an infinite energy cycle using the original SR mechanic. (And with EotN as the final installment, no new ways are going to come into existence.) Timer or no timer makes no difference in PvP now. And you can't seriously tell me that any pretense of PvE "balance" hasn't been completely given up with the inclusion of skills like Ursan Blessing. It can no longer be argued with a striaght face that "SR was nerfed (partly) for the sake of PvE balance." So, the timer: (1) No longer has any effect on PvP; (2) Has a negative effect on PvE; and (3) Is strongly and almost-universally hated among necromancer players. Get. Rid. Of. The. Timer. Now. Please.

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Ranger
Barrage: increased damage to 5..20 damage.

Good.

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Energizing Winds: decreased duration to 1..31 seconds.

huh?

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Magebane Shot: increased disable time to 10 seconds; decreased recharge time to 5 seconds.

That's a little better.

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Player Pets: no longer leave exploitable corpses.

UNBELIEVABLY BAD. No really. Just unbe-RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing-lievably bad. Do the devs pay ANY attention to PvE when they think this stuff up? I am simply in awe of how mindblowingly stupid this change is.

If this change has any PvP motivation (which would be what?), then make it a PvP-only "feature."

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Miscellaneous
Changed the elite skill used by the henchman Mhenlo in Eye of the North to Word of Healing.

Good. But now give him heal party too. I'd suggest giving him this bar. Mhenlo-style, Mhenlo-quality.

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[Splinter Weapon not reverted.]

It needs to be. Or at least it needs to be better than what it's been turned into. A small buff to barrage isn't going to compensate for a neutered splinter. Fix the VoD mechanic, fix the NPC AI during VoD, and put splinter back the way it was. Mucking with splinter to "solve" a problem that's inherent in the way VoD works isn't going to work; it's just going to drive people to use the next-best AoE for the job (and the next-best when you nerf that... and the next-best when you nerf that... until you've broken every AoE in the game). You need to address the root of the problem (the VoD mechanics/AI) and not one good way among many of taking advantage of it (splinter).

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To reiterate the two key points just to make sure they aren't missed:

1) No Soul Reaping from spirits is good, BUT NOW GET RID OF THE DAMNED TIMER!

2) REVERT NO-CORPSE-FROM-PETS ASAP. (Or at the very least, make it a PvP-only "feature,")

mrmango · Nov 14, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Pets have corpses lore-wise, so what? Dumb nerf.
EW dead fun? <.<
Horns needed the same damage nerf as trampling, or at least close to it imo. Good nerfs otherwise. Moar buffs please.

Kyp Jade · Nov 14, 2007, 01:33 AM // 01:33

woot @ no more pet corpses, no more free minions for shitway.

woot @ EW nerf, still not enough, make it recharge 2 mins

woot @ soul reaping not from spirits, now just make it not from minions either soul it will be a balanced mechanic

woot @ sin nerf, tired of instagib sins

barrage buff = wtf?

kimfromhouston · Nov 14, 2007, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by VAK

Ineptitude... there goes my PvE mesmer.... >_>

40/40 weapon swap?

Anyways, good update. I wish my fellow PvEers would stop whining. PvE is easy enough as it is.

Funny how necros now have to think about e-management. Somewhere my monk is smiling.

ensoriki · Nov 14, 2007, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Omg horns was busted up wtf

no not busted....Busted was the degree of any other holy crap nerf..

....this ...this aint right............this is nerf is about to make me go christian....just so I can pray to that god for wtf izzy did.

It's time like these.....when we all need support *faints*

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woot @ sin nerf, tired of instagib sins

.....but horns didn't need this bullcrap

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Horns needed the same damage nerf as trampling, or at least close to it imo. Good nerfs otherwise. Moar buffs please.

This nerf is sick and wrong...

Izzy....remember....make things[card]"For Great Justice!"[/card] not just because you feel like it...

You made me cry izzy something the entire internet couldn't do......you made me cry (on the inside....crying on the out is wimpy!)

Rohan · Nov 14, 2007, 01:34 AM // 01:34

Awww pve is hard.

Stop complaining

oh bai spiritway

Shadow Slave · Nov 14, 2007, 01:36 AM // 01:36

My first thought: - Good, now they can get rid of the SR timer...we'll see.

Sin changes are a bit harsh, but BLS will promote some different styles of play - fine by me.

There was really no need to mess with Horns and/or Trampling - fixup.

WTB: Pets with bodies to leave behind?

....Someone restrain ensoriki before he kills someone...*nudge* give him back his horns!!

ensoriki · Nov 14, 2007, 01:38 AM // 01:38

....Now that I look at it....The horns nerf is even worse than I thought...

I was looking at trampling ox.

wtf is 1....11 at 16 Dagger mastery or 12?

Thats FLIPPIN 22 DAMAGE....22 damage and a knock down ...Are you flippin serious?

Turbobusa · Nov 14, 2007, 01:39 AM // 01:39

For records this has been asked by many PvPers for months. It kills N/Rt healers, which is pretty bad imo, but it was just imba at giving energy to necros.

Pets not leaving corpses... right... no seriously if you want to kill spiritway, find something else. Dunno nerf barbs to 10 recharge. I don't see what would be the point in keeping the n/rt healers on this team anyway since they don't gain energy. So having to wait for the pet to be dead to actually start raising minions and thus gain energy later on... seems a bit complicated to be.

BLS: making it in line with golden lotus, great.
HoTH: overnerfed imo.
Ineptitude: back to 20r, not bad, still good. "There goes my pve mesmer" lmao.
Barrage: the usual random buff.
Expose: compare to rigor mortis. See my point?
And I'm ok with the WoH change

And and to Kyp Jade: no energy from minions, LOL. then no DF from healing spells plx. no mysticism for non dervish enchants. no fast cast for non mesmer. LOL. get rid of spirit way YES. overnerfing every skill they use NO.

makosi · Nov 14, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

You have to laugh at the SP sin nerfs because they've did their damage and made their mark already over the past [insert big number] months.

All Hero Battles monthly winners abused it to win and it's now that the issue is addressed.

øln · Nov 14, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Did exploitable player pet corpses make that big of a difference in PvE?

Full Metal X · Nov 14, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

woot @ no more pet corpses, no more free minions for shitway.

woot @ EW nerf, still not enough, make it recharge 2 mins

woot @ soul reaping not from spirits, now just make it not from minions either soul it will be a balanced mechanic

woot @ sin nerf, tired of instagib sins

barrage buff = wtf?

Because PvE people complaining splinter got nerfed and that now rangers are worthless i guess(rofl). I suggest you put down the flat bow and pick up my little friends called d shot and savage shot and use them omg!.

Navaros · Nov 14, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

If they are gonna remove corpses from pets why don't they remove the automatic blackout when pets die too.

Fates · Nov 14, 2007, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Ghey nerf to necros, can't imagine why I no longer play mine. Used to be my fav, even got obsidian on her, now she's boring as hell to play.

I ditched my pets for pve skills, but still, non exploitable corpses? Are you daft? Please stop RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing with pve that people enjoy just to "balance" pvp that you and Ensign basically agree is dead.