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pumpkin pie · Oct 30, 2007, 10:01 AM // 10:01

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Originally Posted by Esan

Simple, it's the amount of effort needed. In the end, isn't effort what this thread is all about?

When Magellan set out to achieve the Terran Grandmaster Circumnavigator title, all he had was a rusty sextant and compass that always pointed northish. Would we still celebrate Magellan Day on April 27 if he just looked up his route on Google Earth?

If Columbus discovered America using modern satnav, would it be nearly as impressive?

heheh Columbus discovered America using Chinese map, didn't you hear!

It would have been The Chinese who are the first terrain Grandmaster lol

runs away.
Happy Days!

PS: People need to have pride in everything they do, unless its some criminal activities.

Mineria · Oct 30, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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I find it mindboogling when people say theese words in gaming forum and mean them seriously:

* (you hafta) Work (for something imaginary)
* Achievent (which is totally pointless)
* Pride (in playing game)

Cool for you.

But the /point /ha-ha isn't.
People play games for different reasons, there isn't a stereo type.

Saraphim · Oct 30, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

heheh Columbus discovered America using Chinese map, didn't you hear!

It would have been The Chinese who are the first terrain Grandmaster lol

runs away.
Happy Days!

PS: People need to have pride in everything they do, unless its some criminal activities.

Lol ! ONOEZ Colombus wus a cheater !!!!

Mineria · Oct 30, 2007, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Saraphim

I'd love to know the percentage of people using photoshop to compare maps (apparantly not frowned upon by anyone) who actually own a legitimate copy of said software.

Not many I guess, but that does have nothing to do with playing the game.

For those who want to use a free legal alternative: paint.net

Saraphim · Oct 30, 2007, 10:38 AM // 10:38

You're quite right it is irrelevant with respect to playing the game, but those complaining that using Texmod is against a EULA for a £25 game might want to think about the EULA of a £500 piece of software (although there is of course a stripped down version of PS as well that's much cheaper) to compare maps.

Also, another good alternative is GIMP

cyberjanet · Oct 30, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

Well, I'm on 80 something percent of Tyria. I know I haven't been to Little Falls but that's not going to do the remaining nearly 20 per cent for me.

But there's no way I'm even going to Google to find out about this mod. Some things are a personal challenge.

If you got the title by using the mod, what are you proving? Nothing. It's like using a computer to solve your Scrabble moves. So you win. So what?

NeHoMaR · Oct 30, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Actually, as Galie has already said textmod won't get you banned. They just don't support it if it "blows up your fridge."

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Originally Posted by jezz

you dont know what you are talking about...plain and simple..

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Texmod

i would suggest reading above link before stating your opinion again on this matter

I was talking in a generalized way, note the "ANY external tool" part. And I don't use ANY external tool, including TexMod.

OK, I am a little paranoid, but that's my problem.

electrofish · Oct 30, 2007, 10:49 AM // 10:49

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Originally Posted by Saraphim

I can't quite believe the amount of fuss this has generated, or that it warrants 'looking at' when it is not a game breaking issue, nor does it benefit anyone in any way other than e-peen wagging. While there's people advertising "running A Time For Heroes 2k NM 4K HM" in the Central Transfer Chamber along with all the other 'short cuts via paid services' , this seems pretty insignificant to me.

From A-net's point of view, OP's problem with devalued game experience might actually BE something for them to look into. As they're the ones that put the titles in place exactly to give people a delusional (personal opinion here) sense of pride, so that the lifetime of this game product would increase and perhaps make players more loyal (higher switching cost?)

As with the OP's argument, I find it funny how he finds mods unacceptable yet deeming exploits and the use of online resources (which is basically the same as the mods) honourable actions.

The comparison with CS source and steam banning people who use it to A-net is also invalid. Mods are banned by valve because it breaks a leveled playingfield as you rightly said and A-net do that too, not in the cartographer's case because it doesn't affect anything else apart from "some" of the player's ego. You can be sure that A-net would pounce on any other exploits on titles that actually effect the game play i.e. LB farm?

Steep · Oct 30, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by Torqual

software and Valve give you a lifetime ban without appeal. So, how different REALLY is installing a cartography aid to putting an aimbot into your Steam client?

Aimbot not only affects you, but the people you are playing with. You are able to kill OTHER people easily.

The cartography Aid only affects the user, it dont affect anyone else.

william1975 · Oct 30, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

I thought the american indians discovered America? Or are they not included in humanity now? I also thought that the vikings went there around 1000AD

Comparing maps is no problem, and i dont see it as cheating to be able to do that, however by the specific rules of Anet you shouldn't use mods. If anet were to introduce the mod themselves then i don;t see it as being a problem.

I don;t feel my achivment is any less because others use it, but just because its not harmful to others and is useful doesn't make it ok

SotiCoto · Oct 30, 2007, 11:08 AM // 11:08

So some people are too poor in their judgement and thinking to be able to compare maps to find the extra spots for the 100% they needed....
Big deal. More fool them. It certainly doesn't subtract from the experience of those like us who did it the old fashioned way....

It certainly isn't something to cry about.
The day I care that much about what someone else is doing in game is the day I shouldn't be playing it any more.

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Originally Posted by Saraphim

You're quite right it is irrelevant with respect to playing the game, but those complaining that using Texmod is against a EULA for a £25 game might want to think about the EULA of a £500 piece of software (although there is of course a stripped down version of PS as well that's much cheaper) to compare maps.

Pfah.
I don't know who Adobe think they're kidding.... but Photoshop isn't worth what they charge for it, irrespective of it leading the market...
I use Paint Shop Pro 9... personally. Last version made by Jasc before Corel officially took them over and screwed up the program. Cost me pocket change compared to Photoshop... and I've had it for years. Transferred the whole program from one computer to another as I've switched over the years.

zwei2stein · Oct 30, 2007, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Pfah.
I don't know who Adobe think they're kidding.... but Photoshop isn't worth what they charge for it, irrespective of it leading the market...
I use Paint Shop Pro 9... personally. Last version made by Jasc before Corel officially took them over and screwed up the program. Cost me pocket change compared to Photoshop... and I've had it for years. Transferred the whole program from one computer to another as I've switched over the years.

Use photoshop for serious stuff, then switch to alternative program (that is not corel photopaint). You are in for some serious headache.

Photshop gui is one of fastest to use and most streamlined for its job. Workflows in it are perfect.

Other software might have identical functionality, but when fluent gimp user does task several times slower than ps user, you start to see real difference.

those X00$ are worth it when they double/triple productivity of those people in your company.

Its only stupid to pay hunderds of dolars if all you are going to do with it is to create new lolcats.

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btw: that "concerned about 50$ eula and unconcerned about 500$ piracy" thing is genuine /winthread :]

seut · Oct 30, 2007, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

this thread will be included in this week's community summary

Sad to see that a personal whine thread gets attention, but longer threads about real problems like ridiculous grind titles being character based are ignored (changing treasure hunt & wisdom titles to account wide is a possible task for a capable programmer to complete in short time and it would actually have a benefit to every player who has more than 2characters).

Whine thread gets attention, while valid concerns slip under the radar..

freekedoutfish · Oct 30, 2007, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Okay then. What mod are you referring to that does this? Because it is certainly not any of the cartography mods.

Im just going by what the OPer stated. He said that a mod exists to highlight those areas you need to uncover. That sounds like cartog to me!

Ive personally never used it so I dont know exactly how it works.

SotiCoto · Oct 30, 2007, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Use photoshop for serious stuff, then switch to alternative program (that is not corel photopaint). You are in for some serious headache.

Photshop gui is one of fastest to use and most streamlined for its job. Workflows in it are perfect.

Other software might have identical functionality, but when fluent gimp user does task several times slower than ps user, you start to see real difference.

those X00$ are worth it when they double/triple productivity of those people in your company.

Its only stupid to pay hunderds of dolars if all you are going to do with it is to create new lolcats.

Not in the case I'm dealing with.
Though Paint Shop Pro 9 is doomed to age due to the fact that it is a specific version and technology continues to advance... it is still safe to say that pretty much anything I can do in Photoshop, I can do faster and more efficiently in Paint Shop Pro.

There is only one exception to this: 3rd Party Plug-Ins.
Photoshop has quite a lot of mods made by other companies to increase its functionality... extra filter plug-ins and whatnot. Paint Shop Pro doesn't have nearly as many of these...

As it stands though, I'd take Paint Shop Pro 9 over Vanilla Photoshop CS2 any day.

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Originally Posted by seut

Sad to see that a personal whine thread gets attention, but longer threads about real problems like ridiculous grind titles being character based are ignored (changing treasure hunt & wisdom titles to account wide is a possible task for a capable programmer to complete in short time and it would actually have a benefit to every player who has more than 2characters).

Whine thread gets attention, while valid concerns slip under the radar..

What the heck?
Gaile posted in this thread?
Gaile paid attention to the pointless whining about other people having things easy.... and said it would be addressed?
I'd give more credit to the freakin idiots calling for hair-stylists than this thread of complete pointlessness! A-Net seriously need to get their priorities straight.

Etta · Oct 30, 2007, 11:59 AM // 11:59

@Fish. The mod converted the uncover area in to red cloud or something, to make it easier to see.

@Soticoto, you can't compare Photoshop to Paint Shop. That's like comparing Lotus to a donkey.

SotiCoto · Oct 30, 2007, 12:02 PM // 12:02

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Originally Posted by Etta

@Soticoto, you can't compare Photoshop to Paint Shop. That's like comparing Lotus to a donkey.

Based on what?
Unmodded, the two do practically the same things.
Paint Shop Pro just does it more easily and rationally.
Photoshop has its metaphorical head stuck up its metaphorical arse and complicates issues..... and has Plug-Ins.

Big deal... not.

Saraphim · Oct 30, 2007, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

I'd give more credit to the freakin idiots calling for hair-stylists than this thread of complete pointlessness! A-Net seriously need to get their priorities straight.

Well while I'd argue ad nauseum on the benefits of a suite of programmes that sync together so beautifully as Adobe's latest versions it's off-topic so I'll resist, except to say that for a working professional there is no better alternative, and while yes it is expensive the workflow alone justifies the expense if you have to use it for a living. Plugins? Don't use 'em. Filters and plugins are for people who want to churn out stuff that looks identical to a ton of other dross out there.

On topic I agree with your sentiments entirely about his thread. There are many many things that demand attention far more than this.

elektra_lucia · Oct 30, 2007, 12:04 PM // 12:04

Some people would not buy photoshop if it was half the price it is, with that in mind those who DO buy it, probably have to have it and don't want an illegal version. For a good artist, photoshop actually is worth the money. For all the millions who got it illegally, they just aided the price going up. You can't logically say photoshop isn't worth the money. There would have been reasons as to why it is the cost it is.

If you want to know how much something is worth, try selling it.
If you want to know how much something costs, try buying it.

I don't think photoshop made adobe go bust

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As it stands though, I'd take Paint Shop Pro 9 over Vanilla Photoshop CS2 any day.

Lol.

As for textmod and such, I won't ever run the things. Simply because I know how easy it is to put key loggers and such in them. You only need some highly respected, half intelligent person to make something looking like he is doing a 'good' thing, only to have everyone's passwords and account information. I also have the view that nothing clientside should be changed in a game :]. Anything that you have, which someone else doesn't is unfair.

SotiCoto · Oct 30, 2007, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

Some people would not buy photoshop if it was half the price it is, with that in mind those who DO buy it, probably have to have it and don't want an illegal version. For a good artist, photoshop actually is worth the money. For all the millions who got it illegally, they just aided the price going up. You can't logically say photoshop isn't worth the money. There would have been reasons as to why it is the cost it is.

If you want to know how much something is worth, try selling it.
If you want to know how much something costs, try buying it.

I don't think photoshop made adobe go bust

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Touché.
Adobe wouldn't be still making it if they weren't selling it.
But then I take it that they practically started all that nonsense themselves... They set the standard and have been therefore allowed to set the price to ridiculous extremes.... knowing that desperate artists and the like are going to pay that much.

And it totally isn't the point..... but I'd appreciate it if I could find someone.... ANYONE.... who can show me things that Photoshop can do that Paint Shop Pro cannot. Admittedly, my Photoshop experience is limited to various shareware versions along the way.... whereas I've been legally using Paint Shop Pro for YEARS and have quite considerable experience pratting around with that program [admittedly, I'm more prone to playing with Raster graphics than Vector graphics, so that might make a difference]...

As regards relevance to this joke of a thread though.... Paint Shop Pro is more than enough to difference-map or even layer-flick and compare maps without Texmod help. Don't need hundreds of quid worth of software for that.