Curse

Nosferatu1976 · Nov 14, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

all 10 available chars +2 prophecies tutorial only chars^^ = 12 Chars^^

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Originally Posted by jackie

Personally it doesn't really comfort me much to see my offer from let say Mini Panda doubled by some smart ass duper, bid wars are helluva fun but in this case I'd rather rip the spine and make sushi sauce from the spinal fluids of the guy behind those armbraces.
High End market ain't very healthy in GW at the moment & hasn't been for a long time, imo.

If anyone had find a way to dupe Mini Pets till now... dont you think that you wont have to search about 4-10 weeks till you find a serious Panda seller.... and if you read the A-Net comments on duping you would change your mind... After all this duping Storys one ambrace is still costing 70e or 100k+50e and do you know why... cause A-Net cleared the Situation and removed the dupers and the Ambraces made by them.

undeadgun · Nov 14, 2007, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu1976

all 10 available chars +2 prophecies tutorial only chars^^ = 12 Chars^^

If anyone had find a way to dupe Mini Pets till now... dont you think that you wont have to search about 4-10 weeks till you find a serious Panda seller.... and if you read the A-Net comments on duping you would change your mind... After all this duping Storys one ambrace is still costing 70e or 100k+50e and do you know why... cause A-Net cleared the Situation and removed the dupers and the Ambraces made by them.

if you are stupid enough duped 1000 pandas, i am so glad you getting banned just like that. cuz there are only CERTIAN AMOUNT of them in the game. and about armbrace price? because there are millions people WANT IT, demands>everything, say ectos, why ectos still worth 4.8-5k each after all these dups? because people are still using them, people still want ectos. if things happend like you described, ectos should worth 100g each??

jackie · Nov 14, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

Well of course it's costing ~60e-70e, only a dumb player with loads of armbraces would cause prices to go down. If you sell them one at a time nothing happens. Those armbraces have serious meaning only when it comes to utterly rare items, that's why it sucks to be honest player with money enough to counter dupers.

Anet cleared all the duping & armbraces, o'rly? Want to go ascalon id1 or check some of the threads here in Guru HE, reality check wakey wakey.

Burning Blade · Nov 14, 2007, 09:03 AM // 09:03

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

It's really very simple. I run 100 people a week to Droks or other places for an average of 2k per person. The math is pretty simple. 100 x 2k = 200 plat a week x 4 weeks average month is 600k a month.

So, just because you can't do the droks run and make oodles of money doesn't mean we all can't. Running money is the easiest money to make in this game. There's a gold mine in running money out there. I usually can't pop into any high population zone without finding someone that wants or needs a run somewhere.

I am not saying it is impossible or too difficult to make 500K a month as I used to be able to make more than that when I still loved trading and farming. I am talking about his normal gameplay with minimal trading and farming, from 0 gold to 500K within a month. That is bs. Running 100 people per week like yourself is not normal gameplay.

Oblivious Moose · Nov 14, 2007, 09:42 AM // 09:42

just like a guildie of mine.. hardcore pvp.. no farming, no pve.. zero mony gain in game.. hoh drop.. he has millions now..

as some guy said. good things take time, great things happen all at once..
(forgot where)

so yes, lets all complain that you arent lucky and the others are. i have yet to find 1 person with luck as shitty as mine..

Malice Black · Nov 14, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu1976

Hi i am the seller of the Eternal Blade. At first i did not wanted to post any comments to this Thread but now i will do. I want to explain how it is possible to have so much money and how it is possible that other do not believe that they earned this money legal. Take me for example... maybe i am one of the richest 10 GW gamers but that is not cause i am so good or cause i farm so lot.... no that is cause i am a hard power trader from hour one of Guild Wars and cause i spended over 10.000 hours on this game and cause i am trading whole the day. if you get a starting money about 200k which is easy to get you will be able to make in one week 1000k with trading. than you buy as cheap as you can ectos for 900 k and you have your first 200ectos and 100k. now you check wich items are selling good and which of em you can afford atm. From now its on you to buy the weapon or pets at the minimum price and sell for the maximum price that will take your time and i mean really much of your time. Selling the Eternal Blade takes about 50+ hours till now and not sold till this moment. If you are clever and act like this its possible to make 100-500 ectos profit each day and if you have enough ectos you have to buy yourself Ambraces. if you do this for many many month you will earn your 100+++ Ambraces and if you start to bid at very hot high end items with your XTREME hard earned money some guys like you will start flaming and... Not a big thing but that is how it works. Dont look negative to someone who is nearly online 24/7 he is working hard for the money and can be proud of it. And if some Items (which are maybe the only ones in the whole Game with 5 million active Gamers) are going in auctions or will be sold ingame or somewhere else... do you think they go for 100+5 ectos only that a hobby gamers can afford it... no it wont. It will be sold for the very very maximum prices that maybe can be afforded from 30-40 gamers of the 5 million comunity. Please rethink it and look from other perspectives at the whole thing maybe i was able to open your eyesBest Regards from.... a serious Gamer with 10.000+++ gaming hours and 12 chars......

Sorry, you are?

Just because you come on Guru claiming you're in the "top 10" doesn't make it true.

No true player is in the top 10. The top 10 consists of gold sellers, and then many places below that as well.

This Eternal Blade will net you a few ecto, but GL getting anyone in your thread to pay up. Most will pull out as soon as they are highest bidder. Why? because most people in High End bid to boost their e-peen, they really don't have the cash.

You expecting mini pandas ect for this drop is laughable. There is prob already a few req9's in game. UW isn't that hard, and is a breeze in a well set up group. More of these items will come on the market in the coming weeks.

So, if you are any kind of trader you'll accept the first decent offer before the next one shows up.

Nosferatu1976 · Nov 14, 2007, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Sorry, you are?

Just because you come on Guru claiming you're in the "top 10" doesn't make it true.

No true player is in the top 10. The top 10 consists of gold sellers, and then many places below that as well.

This Eternal Blade will net you a few ecto, but GL getting anyone in your thread to pay up. Most will pull out as soon as they are highest bidder. Why? because most people in High End bid to boost their e-peen, they really don't have the cash.

You expecting mini pandas ect for this drop is laughable. There is prob already a few req9's in game. UW isn't that hard, and is a breeze in a well set up group. More of these items will come on the market in the coming weeks.

So, if you are any kind of trader you'll accept the first decent offer before the next one shows up.

hi malice i can tell you... you confused me a bit... i am not claiming to be one of the richest... i said MAYBE i am one of the...^^. and the eternal brings me only a small part of that which i already own... you are welcome to check ingame but that is not the point... the point is... i made a serious post and used good maners and tried to make the others to look from other perspectives at the wohle thing but why you are writing me in this angry way? i said one of the richest GAMERS and not BOTS or gold seller companys i just meant the normal and legal and honourable gamers who farms or trades for his money. some of the bidders showed me already that they have the money so i have no fear that they wont pay me. If there are so many r9 Eternals out there till now... dont you think it would find his way into any forums and would be discussed everywhere like this one did?

[/QUOTE]So, if you are any kind of trader you'll accept the first decent offer before the next one shows up.[/QUOTE]

This part confused me in a high level.. maybe you never traded or you are not interested in trading... but i am out for the maximum not for the first guy who offers me 100+xx and a few candy canes for it^^... how many R9 Eternals you saw before... i heard only from one.. oh and yes i think panda could be a possible offer for it.. but there are many pandas out there but only one known and prooved eternal r9.. and if you check the CO i can already buy a Panda for that^^ bye the way i thought long about customizing it but decided to selling is the better choice for me^^ have a nice day Malice and please dont be angry to me cause i am not to you

added:
if you check zorens threads you will notice that he is/was one of the lucky Kanaxai owners... you can be sure that he has twice the money which he offerd till now

Nosferatu1976 · Nov 14, 2007, 12:38 PM // 12:38

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Originally Posted by weed

Im not saying that there isnt ppl out there with that much money...but remember when mini kanaxais was 1 of the rarest items in game?...was 5-7mill...now minis and rare items costing over 60million+???...
How many mini vizu's and zhed's have u seen being sold recently?....idk if duping is back, but i think quite a few got away...more than we think =/...but what do i care?...its only a game ...right?

its true that many vizus and zheds and other rare pets are for sale atm... prices are dropping for them and thx to the magazines a higher amount is on the market now. But the main reason is that the traders are buying them just to resell em. thats why you are them often atm. They buy vizu or other minis and resell em and buy new pets and resell again... easy to make much money in short time this way and you see very often the same pet reselling and reselling and reselling^^

gone · Nov 14, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

LoL @ some people counting their money before it's in the bank.

makosi · Nov 14, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

You have to laugh. Noseferatu sold it and now the guy who bought it is selling it and asking for more in High End. Let the old thread move off of the first page lol.

So subtle. Rofl.

kobey · Nov 14, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu1976

This part confused me in a high level.. maybe you never traded or you are not interested in trading...

Oh, are you saying malice has never traded before?

EroChrono · Nov 14, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu1976

how many R9 Eternals you saw before... i heard only from one.. oh and yes i think panda could be a possible offer for it.. but there are many pandas out there but only one known and prooved eternal r9.. and if you check the CO i can already buy a Panda for that^^

By the looks of it now, there won't be any new panda's in the community any time soon. Right now there is 1 known eternal R9, but it's simply a question of when, not if, there's gonna be a second one (assuming there isn't one, or more, out there already). In *insert undisclosed amount of time* a R9 Eternal Blade will be about the same as a R9 Crystalline (inscribable that is), no doubt about it.
People will continue to play UW for farming purposes or to get Eternal Conquerer for multiple characters and Eternal Blades will keep dropping.

You made a very good move by buying it while it's hot, and made an estimated 200 Braces profit on it. I highly doubt Zoren is going to beat that.

Also heard a story yesterday, someone bought a greased lightning for 220e right after the beetle race prices, kept it a while, forgot about it, found it in his storage, sold it for 1750e. 1550e pure profit.

As for the topic; this is a prime example of how you get that rich. The masses farm, some use those ecto's to buy items, they sell those items with profit.
This structure continues to rise into a pyramid where you have the extreme rich people at the top who started out with small transactions, moving up higher and now are at the real high end and can trade xxx armbraces.
Eventually where all those riches came from are over the backs of the masses and the ignorant. (And of course some gold buyers, bots, dupers are up there too, but not everyone by a long shot)

Earth · Nov 14, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Nosferatu1976

maybe you never traded or you are not interested in trading...

That was one of the most funniest moments in this thread. Congratulations.

Mordakai · Nov 14, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by EroChrono

Eventually where all those riches came from are over the backs of the masses and the ignorant.

This has always bothered me about trading in GW (and I do it to, albeit on a much smaller scale). In the end, we are all "scammers": we buy lower than market price, and sell higher.

EDIT: Fixed typo.

Bryant Again · Nov 14, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

This has always bothered me about trading in GW (and I do it to, albeit on a much smaller scale). In the end, we are all "scammers": we sell lower than market price, and sell higher.

It's business, baby. Welcome to Lolwars.

Mordakai · Nov 14, 2007, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

It's business, baby. Welcome to Lolwars.

I guess. I try to be honest, but even I can't resist when someone wants to sell a mini-pet I know is worth more than 20k for 1 - 2k.

Then again, I've gotten burned before on Greens, so I guess what goes around comes around.

The Herbalizer · Nov 14, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

This thread failed when people started making claims that if you have like 10 stacks you buy gold or dupe.

100 million gold waaaay before duping occurred was possible. Akh has items worth like that easily; R8 15>50 Cris Sword, R8 14% Serpent Axe, R10 15% Short Sword, R8 +30-2s Magmas etc. But there were only a few with serious kinds of gold.

Now if you see a high end thread it will be infested with what seems like dozens of random people with tons of armbraces.

Before all this duping crap occurred Panda were selling for like around 1000 ecto.

The people with the xx armbraces and able to drop them on a single trade either duped or made incredible amounts of gold as a result of the duping.

There is no way a player could afford to drop 1500 ecto + xx armbraces on a single trade without somehow being involved in the duping shit. Either was a duper or traded with dupers or those who did.

You never saw trades like this pre-duping ever. The max ever offered for say a R8 15>50 Cris Sword was 1750 ectos (or items of similar value when peopel trusted each other) And only a few could ever afford to offer that for one item. Only after the duping occured have the amounts offered in trades gone way way up.

Nosferatu1976: Any reliability you had disappeared when you said you have never heard of Malice Black and supposedly have traded for ages. MB is like one of the old school power traders...

TheRaven · Nov 14, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Interesting thread. I'm not a high end trader. Probably never will be. I don't farm (booorinnggg). I don't stand around in towns trading (even more booorrringgg). I just play the game and not for hours on end either. I play around 2-3 hours per day.

Currently I have 200k, 53 ectos, 0 armbraces, 40 shards, mini Lich, Kuunavang and a handful of diamonds, rubies, onyxes and sapphires in storage and that mini Lich is my most expensive pet. Not a vast fortune, but I'm comfortable. I've also spent at least 300k in the past 6 months on skills and titles.

I made most of my cash on 2 very lucky drops. I got a mini Asura from my local Barnes and Noble about a week before the mag was supposed to hit the shelves. I sold it that night for 100k+30e. Bought it back a month later for 20k. I also found an Elemental Sword while travelling thru the desolation area. Sold it a week later for 100k+11e. I didn't spend a lot of time in town trying to sell these items. I sold them to the first people who asked to buy them.

The point I'm trying to make is that the obscene amounts of wealth some players have is not impossible. I've amassed (and spent) nearly 1 million in the year I've been playing and I'm a casual gamer who isn't really trying to make a fortune. How much cash do you think those who are really trying to make money have??

Do dupers exist in game today? I believe they do. I know A-net worked some overtime hours and removed most of the dupers and duped items in the hours after the exploit was discovered, but I also believe the smart dupers are the ones who used their main accounts to dupe and somehow managed to squirrel away some cash safely before the hammer fell. These folks are ruining the high end trades and making it harder for the legitimately rich to buy and sell without constantly being accused of foul play.

I'm not going to accuse anyone specific of duping. I don't know if the current Vizu and armbrace holders are dupers or merely the honest recepients of duped goods thru trades. Most likely the latter. I think if I duped an item, the first thing I'd do is launder the cash.

The bottom line: I only have 1 thing to say at this point..........
"Warrior LFG to clear UW!!!!"

Mordakai · Nov 14, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

Currently I have 200k, 53 ectos, 0 armbraces, 40 shards, mini Lich, Kuunavang and a handful of diamonds, rubies, onyxes and sapphires in storage and that mini Lich is my most expensive pet. Not a vast fortune, but I'm comfortable. I've also spent at least 300k in the past 6 months on skills and titles.

I believe Kuunivang is worth more then the Lich...

If I'm wrong, I got screwed out of some money.

IslandHermet · Nov 14, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by undeadgun

clear DoA in 2 hours??? SHOW ME PLZ, w/e build you use, if you really can clear DoA all 4 areas in 2 hours, i will /kneel to you in game

Start kneeling I do 2 and a half hour full DoA runs 2-3 times a week it is very easy with a Guild group and consumables and people who know the DoA like the back of there hand.