Curse

Gattocheese · Nov 13, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

I actually aplaud rarity in GW. The eternal blade is something that i can look forward to farming, or beating UW. The only thing different about the weapon is the actual skin itself. People ebay and power trade to get those goddy numbers of ecto and armbraces, now should they rule the market? no.

It makes all the work worth it if you end up finding one due to its high price. I dont agree that every weapon should be made to the casual player, hardcore players need a weapon to work toward as well. Walking down Kamadan with Obsidian armor, Eternal Blade, Torment Shield doesnt make me more powerfull than the person who wears 15k, Colossal Scim, and an Aegis.

Again i aplaud Anet for allowing rarity in the game again. When the ele sword was first introduced it was a beautiful thing. Now ele swords are basically crap because they can be random drops in GWEN. Please dont ruin the rarity and value of this!

Coridan · Nov 13, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

not trying to get into RL money things here...but $200 bucks to some is nothing. I blew 150-200 bucks every other saturday night playing cards or going out and getting bombed before i got married and had kids. keep the real world dollars out of it. Yes people can and will invest insane amounts of RL money to succeed in a virtual world.

My biggest beef is that no data was shared about the dupe and none or very little of the duped items where taken out of the game. I know Undead gun has a ton of Armbraces from a screenshot he posted after trading a mini for xxx armbraces....did he lose them? I think not.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10186091 is the thread...there are several other High End traders that traded items for duped Armbraces as well its rather plain to see who did and didn't if you read the thread.

Are they wrong for trading the items? no not really...most people would have as well. BUT Anet should have removed them and the people that got screwed should have just got screwed...instead of screwing everyone else...

At one time UndeadGun stated he had over 130+ armbraces from a quick trade then later states that he made more from "semi" rare items. I have nothing against UndeadGun in general just using him as an example. That thread is filled with people that took advantage of the dupe and became mega rich and nothing was done to fix the problem by Anet.

Again I have nothing against UndeadGun or any of the others...just really bugs the crap out of me that Anet let this happen.

I MP I · Nov 13, 2007, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Just a quick little update, I just checked on the Eternal Blade in high end.

Current bid is for 100K +1250ecto + Mini Vizu + 200 Ambraces.

Why do I have the feeling some (if not all) of these people will retract their bids??? lol Anyway, pretty sure some of the people who duped are still running around unbanned. Anet isn't perfect you know.

Shiishii Momo · Nov 13, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Eye of the North gave me just a single PvE skill that made it easily possible for me to solo FoW in h/m. In the span of the last month or so, between that and chasing my legendary guardian title (only need 3 in elona now) I have about 200 ecto saved up. In a month. Granted I've had a few good drops in that time that netted me some good paydays, but again, one month.

RSGashapon · Nov 13, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Shiishii Momo

Eye of the North gave me just a single PvE skill that made it easily possible for me to solo FoW in h/m. In the span of the last month or so, between that and chasing my legendary guardian title (only need 3 in elona now) I have about 200 ecto saved up. In a month. Granted I've had a few good drops in that time that netted me some good paydays, but again, one month.

200 Ecto... in FoW? Oh do tell, would you? What is this magical, money-making skill of yours?

Full Metal X · Nov 13, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by RSGashapon

200 Ecto... in FoW? Oh do tell, would you? What is this magical, money-making skill of yours?

Spell Convert Dust [E] 5 Energy 1/4 Activation 0 Recharge

Target pile of dust is turned into an ecto. At which point your team goes OMGWTF Reported.

HypnotiX · Nov 13, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by RSGashapon

200 Ecto... in FoW? Oh do tell, would you? What is this magical, money-making skill of yours?

Ursan blessing :P

Full Metal X · Nov 13, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by HypnotiX

Ursan blessing :P

The guy said FoW, so he was making fun of him. /fail

HypnotiX · Nov 13, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X

The guy said FoW, so he was making fun of him. /fail

convert the loot from fow to ectos.... think before posting

Kcp · Nov 13, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Guys if you are familiar with duping, the dupers never leak their best duplication exploit. That means there is usually more then 1 way of doing it. Anet isn't as almighty and all knowing as some of the fanboy's on the various forums like to proclaim.

The only way they fix exploits is when someone snitches on them directly to anet.

You have to be out your mind to think there aren't players in-game at any given moment attempting to, or actually duping items.

Shiishii Momo · Nov 13, 2007, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X

Spell Convert Dust [E] 5 Energy 1/4 Activation 0 Recharge

Target pile of dust is turned into an ecto. At which point your team goes OMGWTF Reported.

LoL. Skill trainer for the win. I echo it too.

Actually, read the post again, I said between fow and getting legendary guardian (doing all missions on all continents in hard mode) i saved it up. I never said i was getting ecto drops in fow. The only skill I used was:

Skill - Sell your crap
Description - Sell your crap to players, make profit.
Energy - Lots of coffee

lishi · Nov 13, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

The truth is not matter if they get the gold by ebay,dumping,playing the game.

The truth there is always people complaining.

There are only few blades on the game even without out ebay you still wont be able to afford those blade.

Lawnmower · Nov 13, 2007, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Ain't the fundamental problem with the overall economy of Guild Wars that players get to much money but not enough to spent them on?

In a way we desired this because GW players didnt want(at least I think so?) money sinks and time sinks?

but on the other hand, after getting skills it seems that there are to little to spend it on.

How about this:

-Arenanet adds 10 Legendary weapons. These are max stats, each with incredible awesome UNIQE and rare skins. But they drop.... SO RARE! In 6 months only 3 of the weapons will be in the hands of a player. thats how rare the weapons with the uniqe skins are! They are uniqe, desireable and cool in the fact that they have skins!

it could be done with uniqe armor aswell...

What I mean is - prices for these incredible rare items would go through the roof. but how should it be? should it just be a random drop(s) anywhere in the world? otherwise people would farm some areas for months and burn out and go cry on the forums about how much GW sucks and how much it turned into WoW and bla bla bla?

Then what if it would a possibility online after completing hard mode? would that get more people off their chairs and off their ill-just-play-with-heroes-by-myself-in-normal-mode! if people got forced into wanting to complete hardcore mode they would group with other people again.

in other words: the normal content would be used, people would group and flock through the entire game in hard mode. more acitivity, more reward, more stuff to do, and the best thing is that the rewards are not stat breaking, are rare and will have an(positive?) impact on the economy aswell as the fact that the way to get these rare weapons/armors would be to use skills and not time invested!???

would that be a logical solution to help the economy? people want stuff to buy. people got to much money during the end game. they need these fashion items to desire!?

Shadowmoon · Nov 13, 2007, 10:31 PM // 22:31

I think it more of a question is why is there this much gold in the economy. Loot scaling was suppose to cause deflation in the guildwar economy. Honestly were there 50 mil gold sells this time last year?
I think this only prove that Loot Scaling didn't fix anything, probably made the ecomony stagnite making it nearly impossible for people to move though the economic ranks.

Mordakai · Nov 13, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

would that be a logical solution to help the economy? people want stuff to buy. people got to much money during the end game. they need these fashion items to desire!?

Problem is, that wouldn't be a money sink, just another way for millions of gold to change hands between players.

End result: someone still has millions of gold.

These Legendary weapons and armors would have to be crafted by an NPC to truly remove gold out of Guild Wars. But then, desire for them could cause a rise in ebaying gold, and in more inflation...

Bottom line: As long as there are rare items, there will always be greed. It's not necessarily bad, but it will exist.

Lawnmower · Nov 13, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

I think it more of a question is why is there this much gold in the economy. Loot scaling was suppose to cause deflation in the guildwar economy. Honestly were there 50 mil gold sells this time last year?
I think this only prove that Loot Scaling didn't fix anything, probably made the ecomony stagnite making it nearly impossible for people to move though the economic ranks.

I suck at math but does it not have something to do with:

1)all the things you use money for in GW are one time investments(after buying skills, you dont need to buy them again)

2)its easy to get the best weapon.

3)after people continue to play after all skills/armor/weps are bought, to do hardcore or collect titles they just get more and more money but does not have anything to use them on.

then in the other side of the spectrum you got new characters who need a good source of flow of money from loot to be able to pay for all the skills, armor, weps and so on, the first time through.

it seems to me that the problem is in the lack of things to use money on in the end. but none of us want weapons and items with decay, or rent paying on guild houses or having your character to devour food and drinks or else they will lose health points or something like that(in other words = money sinks, used in MMOs to stabilise the economy)!

WoW uses it. alot. it cost money to transport. it cost money to repair weapons, which is destroyed after a while of use aswell as dying. alot of stuff in the game where you constantly need to have money money money.

Savio · Nov 13, 2007, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

I think it more of a question is why is there this much gold in the economy. Loot scaling was suppose to cause deflation in the guildwar economy. Honestly were there 50 mil gold sells this time last year?

Loot scaling, among other things, did cause deflation in the economy. It didn't and couldn't affect rich players - it didn't take gold out of rich players' storage, and since when did they farm to get rich?

makosi · Nov 13, 2007, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by Savio

Loot scaling, among other things, did cause deflation in the economy. It didn't and couldn't affect rich players - it didn't take gold out of rich players' storage, and since when did they farm to get rich?

Their money came from farmers one way or another. It's just like the Kellogs executive men in grey suits don't farm grains but still gain from it.

Skyy High · Nov 13, 2007, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Well, according to the OP, that amount of ectos and armbraces is worth 10.5 million gold, roughly.

A set of FoW was worth 1-2 million a few years ago, but people farmed that up within a week, so say some. I realize that things have slowed down a lot nowadays, but I don't find it completely unreasonable that someone sat on stacks upon stacks of ectos, black dyes, etc, and just kept farming away buying armbraces as he went. Perfectly possible to do so, given the length of time this game has been out.

Mordakai · Nov 13, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

WoW uses it. alot. it cost money to transport. it cost money to repair weapons, which is destroyed after a while of use aswell as dying. alot of stuff in the game where you constantly need to have money money money.

I don't like this idea either (I'm not picking on you, just being honest).

In Guild Wars, you can have all the money in the world, and you'll only have a slight advantage (Re 7 weapons, other discontinues items, etc).

Nickle and diming people with breakable weapons, paying to map, etc, will always hurt the poor more than the rich anyway.

As long as people spend millions of gold on skins, it doesn't hurt anyone.