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Jebus · Nov 13, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19

I must congratulate you on posting what's on a lot of player's minds.

Sparda · Nov 13, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Jebus

I must congratulate you on posting what's on a lot of player's minds.

for that matter in think few dare to open there mouth course those few people who do it get flamed
I just wanted to shed some light on some smelly things.
Course Anet never told us anything how they reacted to the dupe exploit
Sure they told us yeah we banned some people yawn where going back to bed.
They never ever posted something serious on there official wiki.
And for ... sake it's there official website.
yeah they posted here on GW Gulag not much but something.

VanDamselx · Nov 13, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

This is ridiculous. There are some incredibly rich players who may have 75 armbraces, there's no need to say that they were duping. Scooby had a problem quite some time ago being accused simply because he had a panda, or something along those lines. You can ask any of the Guru mods on here, offers like that do come from legitimate players and if you can't afford it, then wait. It's only time before the price sinks like a rock just like everything else in this game.

Earth · Nov 13, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Congratulations on making just about every post a big QQ about prices. Yes, 10+ stack of ectos is possible. Yes, 75 armbraces is possible, even without duping.

If you can't afford it, tough shit. Learn power trading if you want insane amounts of ectos, or do UW HM until you get your own sword. Looking for a ban? I think you're just QQing.

VanDamselx · Nov 13, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

its a little extra in game gold worth the 50$ for a new account. be it NF.Faction or tyria?

all these people who say they have 10 accounts with 10 characters each are just IMHO full of it. unless its a rich kid or rich person, no average person will spend that much real money on accounts. 10 accounts with 3 campaigns and 2 extra char slots each or 10 accounts with 1 campaign each with 6 extra character slots. thats alota real money to be spending whats to say they did not just ebay if your willing to spend that much money on char slots and accounts than your willing to spend 50$ for a million gold are you not?

we normal GWers 1 account with 3 campaigns and EOTN 8-10 char slots mostly people with 8.
thats if you bought them when they came out 190$ thats a big chunk of money for a video game if you look at it like that.

take those people who clame to have many accounts

10 accounts with 10 character slots each estimated by spending the max for each the math is normal account size with all 3 games + EOTN and extra character slots 2 for each account.

10*190$=1900$ + 10*9.99$=99.9$

Thats about 2 thousand REAL DOLLARS for all those accounts and characters, Seems some people have alota extra money to spend and paying bills is last on the list LOL 2 thousand dollars who ever has that much money to spend on a video game would you pay my rent Please?

now take all that money spent 2000$. if the person has this much money to blow why not buy a million gold for each of those accounts or buy more than a million for each account???

Flame all you want but anyone who spends this kind of money on GW really needs a special someone or needs to talk to a professional about video game addiction

People can get them from friends who don't play anymore, that's how I received my two other accounts. I wouldn't have bought them had I not gotten them for free from people who decided they didn't like this game. Also, Sam's Club had all 3 campaigns bundled together for 50 bucks, which is the cost of one campaign. So 2k might be a little exaggerated, and why should it matter if people spend their money on it anyhow?

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Originally Posted by X Earth X

If you can't afford it, tough shit. Learn power trading if you want insane amounts of ectos, or do UW HM until you get your own sword. Looking for a ban? I think you're just QQing.

/marryme? :P

Darkobra · Nov 13, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by Sparda

i do not agree on that first time you pop those free chest yes they can give like 20k but after more times they give less and less money after 4 pops they give me 6k and only grapes
and you can only have like 26 plus 12/13 chars slots

Really? I still make around 20k each time from the cash alone after my 5th or so opening run. This is per character. Then we sell the items...

Faer · Nov 13, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Sparda

Just a last thing i know Anet banned the big dupers but i know that they missed
those who kept there mouth shut and did it without Anet noticed it.

Please try to understand that ArenaNet banned dupers based on logs of the duping process, not based on who and who did not keep their mouth(s) shut about it. Even if you duped a single item, and never told a soul, you would still have been banned for it. I'm not a huge fan of ArenaNet's programming or design (or lack thereof, har har), but if there's anything I can applaud, it's the fact that they keep pretty darn accurate records of what goes on in their game.

There are legit players who just have boatloads of gold to blow. There are also remnants of the days of duping, in the form of scattered duped items that were sold cheap at the time, and could possibly have been collected (through trading), by a few people with enough cash to do so. Then, there are the people who spend real cash on pixel gold, and spend it on super rare items to make themselves feel and/or look 1337. But don't accuse the company when it's the players that are at fault.

In any event, gold is really easy to come by in this game these days. Just slap some amazingly lolimba PvE skills on your bar, tear up a few Hard Mode dungeons or zones, and watch your Xunlai Chest fill up. Before GW:EotN was released, I was one of the "middle class" players, sitting on just enough gold to buy whatever I needed, and not much for any of the special stuff. Now, I'm still middle class, but I'm moving up on the economic ladder at an alarming rate simply by playing the game for a few hours each day before or after (and sometimes during) work. And I haven't even bothered messing with Hard Mode outside of some elite zones (UW/FoW/DoA mostly)!

Anybody can become eRich. You just have to put in a little effort.

Sparda · Nov 13, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

its a little extra in game gold worth the 50$ for a new account. be it NF.Faction or tyria?

all these people who say they have 10 accounts with 10 characters each are just IMHO full of it. unless its a rich kid or rich person, no average person will spend that much real money on accounts. 10 accounts with 3 campaigns and 2 extra char slots each or 10 accounts with 1 campaign each with 6 extra character slots. thats alota real money to be spending whats to say they did not just ebay if your willing to spend that much money on char slots and accounts than your willing to spend 50$ for a million gold are you not?

we normal GWers 1 account with 3 campaigns and EOTN 8-10 char slots mostly people with 8.
thats if you bought them when they came out 190$ thats a big chunk of money for a video game if you look at it like that.

take those people who clame to have many accounts

10 accounts with 10 character slots each estimated by spending the max for each the math is normal account size with all 3 games + EOTN and extra character slots 2 for each account.

10*190$=1900$ + 10*9.99$=99.9$

Thats about 2 thousand REAL DOLLARS for all those accounts and characters, Seems some people have alota extra money to spend and paying bills is last on the list LOL 2 thousand dollars who ever has that much money to spend on a video game would you pay my rent Please?

now take all that money spent 2000$. if the person has this much money to blow why not buy a million gold for each of those accounts or buy more than a million for each account???

Flame all you want but anyone who spends this kind of money on GW really needs a special someone or needs to talk to a professional about video game addiction

....................

your are right
Nothing to say

Earth · Nov 13, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

I understand the deals and what not this is a ROUGH estimite on the Best buy prices.

Very nice deal Sams club has to bad you need a friend or family member to get you in if you dont have a Sams card, and even sams club cost money to be a member of.

And yes 2-3 accounts I can see that 1 friend quits and gives it to you, But 10friends quittin and all of them giveing the accounts to you LOL now thats just very hard to believe.

what im trying to say is the people who have 10+ accounts with hundreds of characters also have millions of EBAYED/WEBSITE gold. they have ither Hacked/Stolen all of those accounts or bought them all and again if your willing the spend thousands of dollars on a video game your willing to spend a few hundred for a couple million gold.

One of my friends keeps getting accounts for chrismas etc. I believe she has 6, and paid for 2 of them. If a few friends quit, she nearly has 10, without paying for one of them, and without ebaying money, ever. She gets money by doing HM, and the occasional farming. She has about 50k in her storage at times.

VanDamselx · Nov 13, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

I understand the deals and what not this is a ROUGH estimite on the Best buy prices.

Very nice deal Sams club has to bad you need a friend or family member to get you in if you dont have a Sams card, and even sams club cost money to be a member of.

And yes 2-3 accounts I can see that 1 friend quits and gives it to you, But 10friends quittin and all of them giveing the accounts to you LOL now thats just very hard to believe.

what im trying to say is the people who have 10+ accounts with hundreds of characters also have millions of EBAYED/WEBSITE gold. they have ither Hacked/Stolen all of those accounts or bought them all and again if your willing the spend thousands of dollars on a video game your willing to spend a few hundred for a couple million gold.

I would love to know where your proof is. Again, you're making an argument based on no facts and just your own assumptions. I'm not saying this may not be true for some, but it is slightly ridiculous to accuse everyone of multiple accounts that they did the things you describe above.

This whole thread is based on assumptions and basically accusing the people that made these bids on the Eternal Swords are guilty of some kind of cheating. If you think someone is cheating, then report it instead of making wild claims on a forum.

Antheus · Nov 13, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

take those people who clame to have many accounts

10 accounts with 10 character slots each estimated by spending the max for each the math is normal account size with all 3 games + EOTN and extra character slots 2 for each account.

10*190$=1900$ + 10*9.99$=99.9$

Thats about 2 thousand REAL DOLLARS for all those accounts and characters, Seems some people have alota extra money to spend and paying bills is last on the list LOL 2 thousand dollars who ever has that much money to spend on a video game would you pay my rent Please?

$2000 in 3 year period of disposable income isn't a lot of money. It's $55 a month. Many of my online friends and past guildies have 5-10 accounts in subscription based games ($150 a month easily). Either one game or multiple games. And those weren't even the hard-core. The most hard-core parson I've ever met in another game had 22 active accounts at $15 a month. /nolife? Not my problem or for me to know.

This isn't even counting that in GW, getting accounts from people who depart is free - no subscription. Having dozens of accounts is no problem, and can easily be free.

Highest bids in online worlds have exceeded $100,000 a few years back for virtual property (Entropia Universe).

If you look at SOE's Station Exchange, I believe someone earned ~$50,000 by powertrading for real money and paid for college with that money.

What one considers a big investment into a game will vary. Especially in a free-to-play game.

$200 a month is not a lot of money. There's millions of people that would spend it on something more useful in real life - but for many, it's just disposable income for an hour or two of entertainment. And some, even choose to spend it on games.

For some, various fortunes in game are truly unimaginable. But the sums we're talking here, either for accounts or in-game gold are not one of those.

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what im trying to say is the people who have 10+ accounts with hundreds of characters also have millions of EBAYED/WEBSITE gold. they have ither Hacked/Stolen all of those accounts or bought them all and again if your willing the spend thousands of dollars on a video game your willing to spend a few hundred for a couple million gold.

You really have no experience with hard-core online gaming and hard-core guilds. The social side in online gaming transcends the in-game mechanics so far, that what you find impossible is just everyday occurrence among friends.

Crom The Pale · Nov 13, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

The big problem at the moment is just that so few of the Eternal Blades has dropped, in about 2-4months they will be more reasonably priced.

100K + 20-100ectos seams the comon range for most of the rare skins depending on requirement/mods and current popular taste.

Mini pets are a diffent story as they have a limited number in game and that number, for the rarest, does not increase save at some special event reward.

Faer · Nov 13, 2007, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

if your willing the spend thousands of dollars on a video game your willing to spend a few hundred for a couple million gold

Your logic is flawed in that purchasing game accounts is not against the EULA, whereas purchasing game gold is. Therefore, those who purchase many accounts are not necessarily willing to break the EULA by spending that same amount of money on game gold. In other words, spending a grand or two on a game is rather silly, but it certainly does not mean you are willing to break the rules.

You are making very rash, very childish accusations and pointing fingers in random directions in an effort to make a point, without caring who's reputation you might be throwing dirt on in the process.

6am3 Fana71c · Nov 13, 2007, 09:01 PM // 21:01

I understand that millions of gold is possible, heck - my own friend has 2 FoW armors, and he got both of them simply by farming and selling. But we are not talking about few millions here, we are talking about dozens of armbraces, and stacks of ectos, that's like...hundreds of millions? Yeah, you can get lucky with 1337 minipets trade, but they are rare and few, it's impossible EVERYONE got rich reselling them.

Sparda · Nov 13, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Antheus

$2000 in 3 year period of disposable income isn't a lot of money. It's $55 a month. Many of my online friends and past guildies have 5-10 accounts in subscription based games ($150 a month easily). Either one game or multiple games. And those weren't even the hard-core. The most hard-core parson I've ever met in another game had 22 active accounts at $15 a month. /nolife? Not my problem or for me to know.

This isn't even counting that in GW, getting accounts from people who depart is free - no subscription. Having dozens of accounts is no problem, and can easily be free.

Highest bids in online worlds have exceeded $100,000 a few years back for virtual property (Entropia Universe).

If you look at SOE's Station Exchange, I believe someone earned ~$50,000 by powertrading for real money and paid for college with that money.

What one considers a big investment into a game will vary. Especially in a free-to-play game.

$200 a month is not a lot of money. There's millions of people that would spend it on something more useful in real life - but for many, it's just disposable income for an hour or two of entertainment. And some, even choose to spend it on games.

For some, various fortunes in game are truly unimaginable. But the sums we're talking here, either for accounts or in-game gold are not one of those.

hmmmm you haven't any clue about money those people have a serious defect
$200 disposable income that is much money that you trow away a month.

MikeV · Nov 13, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Sparda

hmmmm you haven't any clue about money those people have a serious defect
$200 disposable income that is much money that you trow away a month.

Not everyone who plays this game is 16 and works at McDonalds. I put 3 times that much in my 401k each month. I'm not saying I'd piss it away on a game, I'm just saying many people have that opportunity if they wish to do so.

Antheus · Nov 13, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by MikeV

Not everyone who plays this game is 16 and works at McDonalds. I put 3 times that much in my 401k each month. I'm not saying I'd piss it away on a game, I'm just saying many people have that opportunity if they wish to do so.

In another game, I was in a guild that was ran by a business owner and their employees, about 15 of them. Their work involved administrative paperwork and support, which meant they had 7.5 paid hours every day to burn. Money for game was not an issue. The word rich in-game would be an understatement for them. Not because of eBaying, but because of 15 business professionals playing the game as business professionals. They simply dominated the in-game market - buying eBay gold would actually be slower for them than earning it themselves.

Another person I met was a majority stockholder of a rapidly growing restaurant franchise.

Many others I've met were business owners and or senior managers or consultants, including high-level Fortune 500 members. We're talking $200-500 per hour rates.

Needless to say, $200 a month was not much, considering many of them spend this much for wine over dinner.

But given the free nature of GW, as well as generally younger demographic, it is indeed hard for some to understand the big players in MMOs.

Crom The Pale · Nov 13, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Just a quick little update, I just checked on the Eternal Blade in high end.

Current bid is for 100K +1250ecto + Mini Vizu + 200 Ambraces.

Now I have Chaos Gloves and full FoW armor and a nice set of weapons over 100K, but no way will I EVER earn that much cash/items.

I know a few wealthy players, one that is about 100 times richer than me(not that I count myself as rich) and he will admit that some levels of wealth are never obtainable out side of Ebay/Dupping or Bot farming.

Shadowmoon · Nov 13, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

current offer ~ 50 mil gold. Guess i'll glad gw2 is coming soon, everyone will be equal footing.
So Anet, loot scaling was suppose to cause deflation, where is all this income coming from i'm wondering. I'm wondering if the Duping had more of a effect than was evident.

Sparda · Nov 13, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by MikeV

Not everyone who plays this game is 16 and works at McDonalds. I put 3 times that much in my 401k each month. I'm not saying I'd piss it away on a game, I'm just saying many people have that opportunity if they wish to do so.

im not 16 but yeah i think 200 is alot to trow away a month but with a wife and a kid to take care of pay all your taxes and rent.
but remember that there are many nationalities here your from the Stats and i life in the Netherlands 2 different ways of life