Curse

Tyla · Dec 01, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

the point still stands people were given many options to obtain the pack and they chose not to. End of story. It's a case of non-buyer's remorse and Arena Net should not cater to it.

yup...........
i got some stuffs to says
A:let this thread die.PLEASE.
B:if you get your BMP complete - i want my casing and stuff.

lord dragon · Dec 01, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by warcrap

/signed
i am terrified to buy things online because all the bastard hackers i would love to buy it in the store but why would i pay 30 bucks just for 4 new missions it should prob be 10 bucks or 15.
and ncsoft should cover the packaging costs.

Nah, min should be $39.99 so it coincides with the cost originally. Anet does not get the full amount as you know so they need to make up for it by creating the packaging, paying the store portion and getting the amount back that the store got from when poeple went there instead of online.

Then everyone wins.

holababe · Dec 01, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

The BMP provides no tangible benefit; the weapons are customized and cannot be sold for profit and they are given as a standard, max damage, uninscribed weapon. If the weapons were better or could be sold, then the BMP would be providing some people with an advantage. However, you can attain a weapon that does exactly the same amount of damage/same bonuses just as easily as people with the BMP.

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

So you are all for having content that is privy to a select few? Why don't we just introduce monthly fees to GW then, that way, people who pay a higher premium can enjoy more and better quality content suited for them.

This argument fails for two reasons, both in semantics and in logic. Semantics are irrelevant to this discussion so I’ll leave them out. Logically, however, the BMP is NOT for a select few. It’s similar to the Collector’s Edition of Prophecies or Factions or Nightfall. It was produced and available then it was sold out. People don’t care because it does not provide a benefit (besides those sweet dances and Divine Aura, which are only cosmetic).

The BMP was, in theory, available for everyone to purchase. If people had problems with the Online Store or their order backfired, then I feel their pain at not being able to qualify. Not having a credit card or being stretched for cash are arguments that are very weak. There was plenty of time (months) to either buy a pre-paid credit card (VISA sells them, so do several banks) or reimburse somebody with a card. If you were stretched for cash then you wouldn’t be able to buy the BMP even if it was available separately.

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

Retail: you have various methods of purchasing including, cash, cheque, debit card, credit card, bank transfer.

Online: you have only two methods debit, credit card.

Specious argument. I would support this reasoning if the promotion was a quick thing, but it wasn’t. There was more than enough time for people to use one of the ‘retail’ methods to either:

a) Pay somebody with a credit card to purchase it for you (such as a parent or a friend if you’re under 18)
b) Purchase a pre-paid card and put $30 USD on it to qualify for the BMP

Or potentially:

c) Register for a debit card at a bank. Most countries only require you to be a teenager. This isn’t the best solution, I’m just suggesting it as a solution.

Ultimately the BMP was not hard to qualify for if you applied yourself. I know. I had to visit several stores to find a pre-paid card, then realised it would arrive too late; so I then had to ask somebody with a credit card to purchase EOTN online if I paid them in cash.

lord dragon · Dec 01, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

Ok, for the last time.

retail price $50= $20 to store +$10 shipping & pakaging + $20 for NC-Soft
Online store $50= $50 for NC-Soft
Perhaps now you understand why they want to promote the online store.
Do NOT expect GW2 in stores I think they will only sell it ONLINE.

But it is still $20 more then they would have had that they can use if they sell it too for $50.

Dev121 · Dec 01, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Everyone had the chance to get this pack. EVERYONE! This has already been covered adequately there is no excuse for anyone to have not gotten it if they wanted it. Whether they deserve it or not is another matter entirely. I don't think that anyone is entitled to anything just because. The only people who deserve it are the people who fulfilled the obligations in the promotion to actually acquire it. End of Story.

Thats the end of the story, lets make it a trilogy so you can have a response.

Not everyone had access to this, I dont think the asian countries did (I could be wrong but im sure i've seen some posts around here relating to it. Fail Number 1. People who wanted the store version of GW:EN did not have access. Fail Number 2 (Read on before flame). People who did not want to waste there money on crap character slots because the games focus is switching to one character now did not have access. Fail Number 3. People who did not have any possible way of getting access to a credit card did not have access. Fail Number 4. People who do not like to buy stuff online anyway did not have access. Fail Number 5.

Need I go on? You've already been ripped apart enough for one post.

I doubt ill see a response but I can hope.

BlackEagle · Dec 01, 2007, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

The people that got it as part of the promotion didn't pay for it directly. They got it with GWEN or slots. The people that want it, get it, but have to pay for it which generates $$ for anet on something they already created. It costs them nothing but boxes sets to sell next to GWEN during a lul in production. We win, Anet wins, the players that didn't get it win. And hopefully with the added revenue they can finish GW2 faster with more programers.

Anet really doesn't win. Because they make less money than they could.

If you had a way to make $10 for something you already had, but instead you decided to do something else which needed no more cost so you only got $1, would you really think you'd won?

You say extra revenue may make GW2 be made quicker, so surely it's in your benefit for anet to get as much as possible, and as such charge a reasonable price for it... £if you sell 250,000 copies at $10 you make a lot more money than selling 1000 copies for $50. Therefore, anet doesn't win by charging $50 for it.

As I already said, the players who want it do benefit in as much as they CAN get it. But, if it was that expensive, I really doubt many people would pay that. So, they either end up paying an overpriced amount and basically being ripped off or they don't get it. So they aren't winning as much as they would by selling it far cheaper.

The people who already have it benefit because they don't want many people to get it for some reason or another, so less people join. But it won't impact on their enjoyment of the game, so there's no major difference to them if it's $50 or something more reasonable.

All of that was in response to saying if it was priced at $50 then it would be best. Even though it keeps everyone slightly happy, it doesn't make anyone happy enough for it to be worth it for anyone. Except in this case people who already have it, because it doesn't actually affect them.

holababe · Dec 01, 2007, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

Seriously no one gets robbed? You obviously don't know about online fraud that goes around daily. Allow me to give you some figures;

"Yesterday, it was reported that online credit card fraud increased from £2 million to £7 million last year but - a mere trifle compared to the total credit card fruad total of £300 million. "

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/03...ne_fraud_rife/

Do have a read as you seem to be totally clueless.

Let's go global, since GW is a global game and consider all fraud to make it easier.

"Experts say the credit card industry loses about $2 billion a year globally due to fraud."

MasterCard and VISA, two of the largest credit card companies, lose
"7 cents of every $100 transacted" to fraud.

That means that .07% of all credit card transactions are a result of fraud. Consider percentages; never consider the amount lost, which is often misleading.

However, this does NOT all result from online theft.

"Loss and theft of credit cards is still the most common way credit card crimes are committed, accounting for 50 percent of credit card fraud at J.P.Morgan Chase & Co., one of the largest credit card issuers in the United States"

And even when fraud does occur online, it happens in two ways:

Fake emails and websites pretending to be a bank or a retailer
A hacker intercepting data sent over https:// and SSL.

Source:http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Finan...d=89746&page=1

Phishing occurs much more frequently. Online encoding for protection of credit card information is very strong

Str0b0 · Dec 01, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121

Thats the end of the story, lets make it a trilogy so you can have a response.

Not everyone had access to this, I dont think the asian countries did (I could be wrong but im sure i've seen some posts around here relating to it. Fail Number 1. People who wanted the store version of GW:EN did not have access. Fail Number 2 (Read on before flame). People who did not want to waste there money on crap character slots because the games focus is switching to one character now did not have access. Fail Number 3. People who did not have any possible way of getting access to a credit card did not have access. Fail Number 4. People who do not like to buy stuff online anyway did not have access. Fail Number 5.

Need I go on? I've already made myself look like a total jackass in one post.

I doubt I'll see a response but I can hope.

I fixed it for you.

.Actually Asia did have access to it as evidenced by a quoted post about a Taiwanese player who qualified but had to contact support to get his goods, an oversight to be sure and one that Arena Net corrected as they were obligated to. People who wanted the store version of GW:EN had equal opportunity for acces by simply not getting the store version. What the retailer pointed a gun at you and made you buy from him? No of course not. Everyone could have gotten access to a credit or debit card in this day and age of pre-paid credit and debit. People who do not like to buy stuff online have still made a conscious decision to not do so. Not Arena Net's fault. If you are afraid of teh internetz then why do you play an online game where any hacker could apply a little social engineering and do just as much damage as they could if they could crack 128 bit SSL and nab your numbers. Also as to people not wanting to waste money on character slots? Well they have no compunctions about buying it as a separate pack? Why not look at the BMP as the purchase and the slots or whatever as the bonus. Your argument is a straw man construct. Full of fail and weakness and has thusly been ripped apart.

lord dragon · Dec 01, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by BlackEagle

Anet really doesn't win. Because they make less money than they could.

If you had a way to make $10 for something you already had, but instead you decided to do something else which needed no more cost so you only got $1, would you really think you'd won?

You say extra revenue may make GW2 be made quicker, so surely it's in your benefit for anet to get as much as possible, and as such charge a reasonable price for it... £if you sell 250,000 copies at $10 you make a lot more money than selling 1000 copies for $50. Therefore, anet doesn't win by charging $50 for it.

As I already said, the players who want it do benefit in as much as they CAN get it. But, if it was that expensive, I really doubt many people would pay that. So, they either end up paying an overpriced amount and basically being ripped off or they don't get it. So they aren't winning as much as they would by selling it far cheaper.

The people who already have it benefit because they don't want many people to get it for some reason or another, so less people join. But it won't impact on their enjoyment of the game, so there's no major difference to them if it's $50 or something more reasonable.

All of that was in response to saying if it was priced at $50 then it would be best. Even though it keeps everyone slightly happy, it doesn't make anyone happy enough for it to be worth it for anyone. Except in this case people who already have it, because it doesn't actually affect them.

I am looking at it from both sides.

29.99 in the store was required to get the BMP. Anet got:

29.99 - credit card processing = around $27.

Gwen bought in store $39.99

Store ($20) + shipping and boxes sets ($10) + Anet ($9.99)

So anet needs to recoup the cost from the players that didn't buy it online.

So

Store ($20) + shipping and boxes sets ($10) + Anet ($20).

That way anet gets the same amount off of the player. The player can have the content and anet get the revenue. The players that bought during the promotion got it free. So everyone wins.

holababe · Dec 01, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121

Thats the end of the story, lets make it a trilogy so you can have a response.

Fail Number 1. People who wanted the store version of GW:EN did not have access.
Fail Number 2 . People who did not want to waste there money on crap character slots because the games focus is switching to one character now did not have access.
Fail Number 3. People who did not have any possible way of getting access to a credit card did not have access.
Fail Number 4. People who do not like to buy stuff online anyway did not have access.

I doubt ill see a response but I can hope.

Here's a response

I sorted your post BTW, it was a bit of a chunk of text.

1) Store Version vs. Online Version was the choice the consumer had to make. It was maps + manual + CDs + case vs. BMP. Buyers online had to download everything, people buying from the store didn't. Anyway, ANet wanted people to buy online NOT from a retailer, so that their profits would increase.

2) Buy EOTN. Problem solved.

3) You can use a debit card and a prepaid credit card. Debit cards are much easier to obtain than creditcards, since you can only spend what is on it. A prepaid card is even easier to obtain, although you have to have it mailed to you (at least where I live)

4) That's not a 'fail'. People can’t expect Anet to provide them with everything they need to qualify. Buying online was the price of this pack. Anyway, why don't they want to buy online? Because it's not safe? Well, the online store is.

holababe · Dec 01, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

1000th Post.

Let's all agree to be friends?

Stockholm · Dec 01, 2007, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by holababe

Let's go global, since GW is a global game and consider all fraud to make it easier.

"Experts say the credit card industry loses about $2 billion a year globally due to fraud."

MasterCard and VISA, two of the largest credit card companies, lose
"7 cents of every $100 transacted" to fraud.

That means that .07% of all credit card transactions are a result of fraud. Consider percentages; never consider the amount lost, which is often misleading.

However, this does NOT all result from online theft.

"Loss and theft of credit cards is still the most common way credit card crimes are committed, accounting for 50 percent of credit card fraud at J.P.Morgan Chase & Co., one of the largest credit card issuers in the United States"

And even when fraud does occur online, it happens in two ways:

Fake emails and websites pretending to be a bank or a retailer
A hacker intercepting data sent over https:// and SSL.

Source:http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Finan...d=89746&page=1

Phishing occurs much more frequently. Online encoding for protection of credit card information is very strong

Acctually many credit card scams starts in stores and resturants where the cleark/waiter will use a small handheld CC reader to steal your card info, or simply making a contact print of your card and take a note of the 3 digit security # on the back. THEN THEY USE IT ONLINE.

gone · Dec 01, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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