Curse

Lady Raenef · Dec 21, 2007, 08:45 AM // 08:45

I have two points of this thread, I just want to get opinions on these.

Drop rates. I'm not talking about just golds, purples, etc, but more rather, your basic average white drop also. When it comes to grouping, I tend to get the least amount, or close to the least amount of items dropped. I have done all the dungeons except a few with the same two people and in my experience, they have both gotten better drops from both the chest and in-game creatures. The highest expense of an item I recieved from a dungeon would be an Onyx Gemstone, while they both got weapons that exceeded 50K.

I was farming Ebon Vanguard points with a friend. I am trying to get a Mask of the Mo Zing, granted, my friend gave me his Superb Charr Carvings, but he got 13 and I got 4 during the entire run. Not only that, I recieved no golds, and he got two. He didn't open a chest either.

I went through half of Nightfall to the end of it with that same friend in 6-8 hours. In ONE mission, (the one with the chests, trials, and what not that you need Margrid for) he had gotten a full bag of items, moving to the belt pouch, I had collected 2 drops. Total. That means, next to my Superior Identification kit was two whites. 3 slots in my bag.

Either I am just UNLUCKY with drops and my friends have all the luck or the balancing system isn't right.

Random Arenas isn't so random. Has this happened to you, or is it just me again? When I play a profession (any) I have a HUGE chance of getting not one, but TWO more of the same profession on that same team. When I play warrior, I have many times where I get two more warriors on my team. This means, there's three warriors on my team, with another profession hanging out there. Assassin is a big one. I once had four teams in a ROW have three assassins (one being me) and two times, we had a Ranger play with assassin skills, another time a Monk play with assassin skills. For kicks and out of being annoyed, I switched to mesmer. Got two more mesmers on my team. I kid you not. Having three of the same profession seems to be more common than getting two or four. But the other day, I played in the Random Arenas continuously. After around 8-10 teams of not getting a single healer, I decided the only way to get a healer was to BE a healer. I hit enter battle as a monk. The team was four monks. WHY are they doing this to me? I did this with ele recently. I kept getting multiple elementalists on my team. Just today, I kept getting two more dervishes on my team, making three total. What is going on?!

Also, the arenas you get. The D'Alessio Arena appears more than any other arena. Sometimes, my match will end and I'm back in the same arena on the same side, or perhaps the other side. This happens a lot. Deja vu?

Thoughts on this? Anyone else experiencing the low end of the stick?

artay · Dec 21, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55

All of what you have described is random,

Though it might be possible people keep dismissing these sorts of observations as random and there really is something wrong.

strcpy · Dec 21, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Yes, lots of people experience that also. Lots of people also experience the opposite - that is part of Random.

To note, go read about "The Gambler's Fallacy" and "Law of Averages" - both describe something that doesn't exist yet people are 100% sure they do. They are the basis for what you see as evidence that "Random" not being true here when they are both fallacies. 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 is just as random as 1,5,8,23,4, 9, 12, 16 and, in fact, each one has *exactly* the same chance of occurring assuming they each have the same amount of values (that is, 8 numbers between 1 and 25).

The only one that you will see quoted very often that is true is the "Law of Big Numbers", effectively you need WAY more data than what you are taking and you also need to look at "Sample Bias" to note that you can not let people simply opt in to give you those big numbers (and why you have to record *everything*). Saying that too many post about seeing it means it true is because of a HUGE sample bias (along with some other fallacies in statistics - they tend to be the same reason that many superstitions are around too).

Unless and until you have an unbiased sample large enough to satisfy the law of big numbers you have no standing.

Lady Raenef · Dec 21, 2007, 09:09 AM // 09:09

Wow....I'd rather the game go Communist and give me my fair share of drops and less times of getting 3x the same profession in a team in the RA.

upier · Dec 21, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

I am not sure you want to hear this but ...

Welcome to my world!
Welcome!
You sure as hell won't enjoy your stay!

Fril Estelin · Dec 21, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Did you try to compare how many points you and your friends have in the Lucky and Unlucky titles? This could also influence the strange drop rates you get?

Master Knightfall · Dec 21, 2007, 11:16 AM // 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

I have two points of this thread, I just want to get opinions on these.

Drop rates. I'm not talking about just golds, purples, etc, but more rather, your basic average white drop also. When it comes to grouping, I tend to get the least amount, or close to the least amount of items dropped. I have done all the dungeons except a few with the same two people and in my experience, they have both gotten better drops from both the chest and in-game creatures. The highest expense of an item I recieved from a dungeon would be an Onyx Gemstone, while they both got weapons that exceeded 50K.

I was farming Ebon Vanguard points with a friend. I am trying to get a Mask of the Mo Zing, granted, my friend gave me his Superb Charr Carvings, but he got 13 and I got 4 during the entire run. Not only that, I recieved no golds, and he got two. He didn't open a chest either.

I went through half of Nightfall to the end of it with that same friend in 6-8 hours. In ONE mission, (the one with the chests, trials, and what not that you need Margrid for) he had gotten a full bag of items, moving to the belt pouch, I had collected 2 drops. Total. That means, next to my Superior Identification kit was two whites. 3 slots in my bag.

Either I am just UNLUCKY with drops and my friends have all the luck or the balancing system isn't right.

Random Arenas isn't so random. Has this happened to you, or is it just me again? When I play a profession (any) I have a HUGE chance of getting not one, but TWO more of the same profession on that same team. When I play warrior, I have many times where I get two more warriors on my team. This means, there's three warriors on my team, with another profession hanging out there. Assassin is a big one. I once had four teams in a ROW have three assassins (one being me) and two times, we had a Ranger play with assassin skills, another time a Monk play with assassin skills. For kicks and out of being annoyed, I switched to mesmer. Got two more mesmers on my team. I kid you not. Having three of the same profession seems to be more common than getting two or four. But the other day, I played in the Random Arenas continuously. After around 8-10 teams of not getting a single healer, I decided the only way to get a healer was to BE a healer. I hit enter battle as a monk. The team was four monks. WHY are they doing this to me? I did this with ele recently. I kept getting multiple elementalists on my team. Just today, I kept getting two more dervishes on my team, making three total. What is going on?!

Also, the arenas you get. The D'Alessio Arena appears more than any other arena. Sometimes, my match will end and I'm back in the same arena on the same side, or perhaps the other side. This happens a lot. Deja vu?

Thoughts on this? Anyone else experiencing the low end of the stick?

Anet have written a program to single out QQers on forums and within the game or those abusing or griefing others within the game. Locked onto their IP addresses and turned the switch off that would give you nice drops and lots of them and also being able to group up with varied teams instead of stack teams of the same classes so it's practically impossible for you to get gladiator points. You shouldn't have been a bad person within the game or went and cried on any forum.

Foe · Dec 21, 2007, 11:32 AM // 11:32

..shes right about like classes attracting in ra though..ive no clue how it works but there is no denying it...since we are on the subject it would prolly be more enjoyable if(if u feel the need to say"blah blah its called random arenas" dont) like classes repelled each other making for balanced groups. In fact it would solve alot of the problems the dishonorable hex was meant to combat. F@$! it! Balanced Arenas(ba) would be awesome

Isileth · Dec 21, 2007, 12:00 PM // 12:00

As others have said, its random. But people will always spot a pattern (even when it doesnt exist). You could go 100 times into an area and only ever get whites. The same time your friend could get 2 golds each turn.

But you are looking at a tiny ammount of data. Its like flipping a coin, you need to flip it a lot of times before it gets close to 50/50.

As for having someone of the same class on your team. Again its random. But you notice it more than you do when it doesnt happen. Its the way people always lock onto the negatives, you could get a 4 monk team once every 200 games. Yet people will moan about how often they get 4 monk teams.

Buzzer · Dec 21, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

Learn what random means imo. It doesn't mean balanced.

Unreal Havoc · Dec 21, 2007, 12:24 PM // 12:24

What I find most amusing about RA is that I'm always stuck on the team that doesn't have a Monk and that 9/10 times the other team will have one.

Out of all the times I've played RA I've only ever started with a Monk on my team twice.

Zeek Aran · Dec 21, 2007, 12:38 PM // 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

Wow....I'd rather the game go Communist and give me my fair share of drops and less times of getting 3x the same profession in a team in the RA.

The game already is communistic, isn't it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Did you try to compare how many points you and your friends have in the Lucky and Unlucky titles? This could also influence the strange drop rates you get?

No. Your lucky/unlucky titles don't affect drops you get, for the last time.

sterbenx2 · Dec 21, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

i got a four monk team in RA once, the othre team quit, cuz seriously, all we could do is stand there and prot/heal each other.

so, its random. I would like to see a new type of RA where there are 4 or 6 slots and each slot is designated to one of XX classes. Like slot one and two would be filled by War, Derv, Sin. next slots 2 and 3 filled Ranger, Para, next mesmer, necro, then monk or rit... I know the classes can roll with many various builds but it would make it the whole experience much more interesting.. Would only work if all those that play RA changed over as it could create long wait times.

still love to play it tho.

Drop of Fear · Dec 21, 2007, 01:21 PM // 13:21

random != fair

Tarkin · Dec 21, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

I have two points of this thread, I just want to get opinions on these.

Drop rates. I'm not talking about just golds, purples, etc, but more rather, your basic average white drop also. When it comes to grouping, I tend to get the least amount, or close to the least amount of items dropped. I have done all the dungeons except a few with the same two people and in my experience, they have both gotten better drops from both the chest and in-game creatures. The highest expense of an item I recieved from a dungeon would be an Onyx Gemstone, while they both got weapons that exceeded 50K.

I was farming Ebon Vanguard points with a friend. I am trying to get a Mask of the Mo Zing, granted, my friend gave me his Superb Charr Carvings, but he got 13 and I got 4 during the entire run. Not only that, I recieved no golds, and he got two. He didn't open a chest either.

I went through half of Nightfall to the end of it with that same friend in 6-8 hours. In ONE mission, (the one with the chests, trials, and what not that you need Margrid for) he had gotten a full bag of items, moving to the belt pouch, I had collected 2 drops. Total. That means, next to my Superior Identification kit was two whites. 3 slots in my bag.

Either I am just UNLUCKY with drops and my friends have all the luck or the balancing system isn't right.

Point 1

Exist a Thread about a relation: gold drops , golds from chest from / time

If you "have luck" and get too many golds in a amount of time, the gold drops dry a bit... to me stop of course...
If you "dont have luck" and dont get golds drops, if you open chest you will get a better chance to get gold drops...

You can check it in hidden treasure run in elona... if i "play" the game, not just stay in a city... and get 1 or 2 golds drops per hour and try to open the treasures you will get 13... purples... true for me... if i dont get a simple gold drop for 6... 10 hours... and belive its happens and i try to open the treasure i get 13 golds...

Point 2

Bad luck... many times the others in the party get better drops and me nothing... good luck... many times i get the better drops... but... and its the most important... at end of weak... or 5 6 runs at same place we all have the same stuff drop to all

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

Random Arenas isn't so random. Has this happened to you, or is it just me again? When I play a profession (any) I have a HUGE chance of getting not one, but TWO more of the same profession on that same team. When I play warrior, I have many times where I get two more warriors on my team. This means, there's three warriors on my team, with another profession hanging out there. Assassin is a big one. I once had four teams in a ROW have three assassins (one being me) and two times, we had a Ranger play with assassin skills, another time a Monk play with assassin skills. For kicks and out of being annoyed, I switched to mesmer. Got two more mesmers on my team. I kid you not. Having three of the same profession seems to be more common than getting two or four. But the other day, I played in the Random Arenas continuously. After around 8-10 teams of not getting a single healer, I decided the only way to get a healer was to BE a healer. I hit enter battle as a monk. The team was four monks. WHY are they doing this to me? I did this with ele recently. I kept getting multiple elementalists on my team. Just today, I kept getting two more dervishes on my team, making three total. What is going on?!

Also, the arenas you get. The D'Alessio Arena appears more than any other arena. Sometimes, my match will end and I'm back in the same arena on the same side, or perhaps the other side. This happens a lot. Deja vu?

Thoughts on this? Anyone else experiencing the low end of the stick?

If you have 100 ppls and 25 are warrios and 25 are sins

you have a big chance of get ... 1 warrior 1 sin >you< >random<

LOL you never look to sides? 50% of random arenas ppls are warriors or sins...

LOL kidding not personal...

I remenber a fight 4 w against 4 w lol a brain less carnage at same point...

Rocky Raccoon · Dec 21, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Anet have written a program to single out QQers on forums and within the game or those abusing or griefing others within the game. Locked onto their IP addresses and turned the switch off that would give you nice drops and lots of them and also being able to group up with varied teams instead of stack teams of the same classes so it's practically impossible for you to get gladiator points. You shouldn't have been a bad person within the game or went and cried on any forum.

It is the Santa Clause, you never know who is watching, so you had better be good.

random: without definite aim, purpose, method, or adherence to a prior arrangement; in a haphazard way.

Fril Estelin · Dec 21, 2007, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

No. Your lucky/unlucky titles don't affect drops you get, for the last time.

Yes you're right, that's my second question and it was wrong. On the other hand I meant to ask the first question as a means to compare the luck that players had at various aspects of the game.

Selket · Dec 21, 2007, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Its within 2 standard deviations, so its ok.

Smile Like Umean It · Dec 21, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

So, have you tried taking a Mesmer and getting two others on your team?

Holly Herro · Dec 21, 2007, 02:23 PM // 14:23

I grew a cat on my knee and got over it.

You should do the same.