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skarkees · Dec 22, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

well i'm really pissed of the fact that i lost so many times with 4-5. you should get something for that.

and the unbalanced thing of the snowball fight is also a problem imo

Devronius · Dec 22, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

I had a few losses, but then I got 15 consecutive wins. It seems pretty even, and I don't see the problem.

Darkobra · Dec 22, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

The problem with Snowball Arena is that one person alone cannot finish an entire map. They'd have to stop 4 people running presents, defend themselves while running presents and try to get 5 in before they do. The PVP there isn't complex, it's just that people don't have any real incentive to win, so they don't bother. That, or they've just been disheartened by leechers, rage quitters and people that run to the wrong shrine. I got 30 wins in a row. My team was so great, we could have went on forever. But I just got bored after 30 straight wins and no challenges, so I left to do something else. All you can do is hope you don't have a team of warriors that will rage quit on you the second a snowball grazes their face and sends them in tears and just hope your team will actually run presents.

Grais · Dec 22, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

ALl these people crying about losing is making me laugh hard. Who Cares. Its unbalanced, blaaa blaa blaa who cares.
If you dont like it, dont go there. Ive been several times, lost a few, won a few, couldnt give two craps about any title or any amount of shards, ignore the losers, and I have had plenty of fun.Quit worrying so damn much about how everyone else plays the game, try to take the event in the spirit it was offered, if you dont like it, dont log in for another week or two.
As to the idea of having a TA arena, spare me. Its a joke mini game, why do people always want to take the fun out of anything and make it a competition. Maybe, just maybe if you didnt take it so seriously, and actually just for the joke it is, i mean its a snowball fight after all, maybe then you would enjoy it. Organised snowball fighting for the loss.

Eviance · Dec 22, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

I think the OP is just making a valid and fun suggestion. I mean while I personally haven't had a chance to play in the arenas this year, I did last year and I for one thought it would be great to be able to team up with my guildies and friends.
I could care less about the noobness factor to be sure. I would just like to be able to chill and laugh on vent as we either whooped some tail or got ours handed to us alike! The idea is very solid and valid regardless of the OPs original reasoning for desiring such a concept.

Sakki · Dec 22, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Yep I had a losing streak too for about 5matches cause my team was full of people who either have no idea what they are doing, or are just plain annoying and stupid. Then someone got pissed.

Yeah happy holidays to you too...

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i lost my temper and started shouting in all chat "WHY ARE THERE SO MANY NUBS HERE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET CCS" (can't control your frustration all the time =]

lmao, control yourself XD

XvArchonvX · Dec 23, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Westofeden

And you haven't ever had a problem with the game or people in the game?

There is a difference between having problems and dealing with your problems in a whiney name-calling immature fashion.

Faith Angelis · Dec 23, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

I don't PvP; it's not that I don't feel I can, it's more that I don't feel I want to. However, I have been playing in the snowball arena since yesterday. I guess that makes me a noob?

I am, however, 37 wins for 52 matches, and just finished a 10 win streak where we had to exit for a new build. The one thing I hate most about GW PvP, which pretty much saps all the enjoyment out of it for me is the counterstrike mentality of a lot of players - anyone who is new, or not as skilled as you is automatically to be derided, shouted at and belittled. Believe me, I run CS:S and BF2 servers, and GW PvP is worse.

I didn't think I'd see this in a silly fun mini-game for the holidays, but there it is, the same old elitist nonsense. Every time I hear someone shout noob, I want to ask them if they were born with their skills. I say let everyone who has an elitist attidute have their own arenas to play in. No-one who has less experience than them will be allowed to join, and so they can all fight and yell abuse at each other until there's only one left, who can tell all his friends he's the daddy.

Anyway, wandering off topic, but in a nutshell, lighten up, it's the holidays! Take this opportunity to PvP for fun, instead of under pressure in the high level matches you play at other times.

FeroxC · Dec 23, 2006, 12:36 AM // 00:36

Simple, if at the start your team doesnt split up to each side of the river it means theres a n00b on board, rage quit.

J/K

-.- · Dec 23, 2006, 12:41 AM // 00:41

At least it isn't as bad compared to the weekend when Random Arena gave out double-factions.

Neo Nugget · Dec 23, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

i'm making half decent progress.....230 which is MORE than i had in mind for myself getting today.(170). inching my way to skillz:P

Relambrien · Dec 23, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

There is a simple reason for the influx of less-skilled players.

This is a new (to many), novel form of PvP that is "marketed" as a light-hearted mini-game. It's not serious PvP.

As such, the massive amount of PvE-only players (which vastly outnumber PvP'ers, sadly) do not feel any reservations and enter the matches, with no prior PvP experience. Thus, they don't know what they're supposed to do. They don't know what it means to protect an ally, because they haven't had to do it before. They don't know the intricacies of the snowball skills because they don't look at them critically; they have no reason to. They don't know the strategies because they have never done GW PvP before in their lives.

In short, this event has drawn in an enormous amount of PvE'ers who want to do snowball fights for fun. And since they haven't PvPed, they don't know much of how to do anything. Thus, they're generally downright awful, but it's not their fault. They may be new, but at least most of them actually WANT to learn how to improve.

Trust the guy with 1500 Gamer points, you'll get a good team eventually. I had a 33-win streak today on my 500-point farming run. I've had I think 7 teams now with more than 10 wins. Just be patient and enjoy it as much as you can

Shadis · Dec 23, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Wow... maybe because it's SUPPOSED to be lighthearted and fun? A lot of people could say the problem stems from snobbish PvP'ers who treat it like a ladder spot is on the line and fail to take it for what it is, a lighthearted and fun little match.

Navaros · Dec 23, 2006, 03:48 AM // 03:48

Except that contrary to what many people in this thread think, for many good players losing constantly due to horrible allies is not and cannot be fun. Rather it is immensely aggravating. It is not reasonable to conclude that those who find it fun to lose constantly due to horrible allies have the correct theory on what constitutes "fun".

Faith Angelis · Dec 23, 2006, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Except that contrary to what many people in this thread think, for many good players losing constantly due to horrible allies is not and cannot be fun. Rather it is immensely aggravating. It is not reasonable to conclude that those who find it fun to lose constantly due to horrible allies have the correct theory on what constitutes "fun".

So play in TA instead? Sarcasm absolutely not intended, the event simply is what it is, and if it's not fun for you, wouldn't you be better off playing something that is?

I mean obviously you're on the 'taking it seriously, would rather no new players were allowed in' side here, but given that we all know that's never going to happen you have a choice: Either play it and put up with losing sometimes, or don't play it, and play the organised PVP you like. It's just a question of which you want more.

Actually, thinking about it some more, maybe this intro to PvP for people who haven't tried it before will go some way to expanding the ranks of the PvP players as they learn - improving the playing field for all the over serious players in this thread. See what I mean?

Burst Cancel · Dec 23, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

There's nothing wrong with taking the snowball fight seriously. People want to win, and you get tangible rewards for it. Almost anyone who honestly enjoys competition is going to be frustrated by playing with people that aren't of a similar mentality or skill level. I don't personally think there's anything wrong with going in there and having casual fun, but (for lack of a nicer way to put it) I don't want us to be on the same team. Hence why I think having a TA-version of snowball fighting would help.

The most serious problem plaguing snowball fighting is the number of afkers and super-slow-loaders (which isn't their fault, I know). The AFKing baffles me, because you no longer earn anything for losing (to my knowledge). Joining a snow fight and then just sitting there not only wastes everyone else's time, it wastes yours as well.

And as for newbies and PvE-only players - a look at the skills and a few games of experience should be all you need to be competitive. I've had a lot of people spam snowballs at me while I had Ice Breaker up. I've had people stand there trying to hit me with a snowball while dazed and hexed while I repeatedly interrupt them (due to the Snow Down the Shirt). You can't really excuse this with inexperience - it's just plain stupidity. Look at the skills, use your brain.

Navaros · Dec 23, 2006, 04:16 AM // 04:16

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Originally Posted by Faith Angelis

So play in TA instead? Sarcasm absolutely not intended, the event simply is what it is, and if it's not fun for you, wouldn't you be better off playing something that is?

I mean obviously you're on the 'taking it seriously, would rather no new players were allowed in' side here, but given that we all know that's never going to happen you have a choice: Either play it and put up with losing sometimes, or don't play it, and play the organised PVP you like. It's just a question of which you want more.

It's fine if new players are allowed in, just don't force good & serious players to party with them as it currently does.

Already got the Glad title, Skillz title woulda been cool too and it's not available in TA. Plus til today Snowball Arena was only place to get CC shards (hence it wasn't so much a "choice" before today if one wanted to earn CC shards) but thankfully it no longer is. Definitely don't play in Snowball Arena since that change, but it would be better if everyone could enjoy it, serious/good and non-serious/bad players alike. But that won't happen with the current way of "lump 'em all together and expect it to be fun for everyone".

Also since it's so new/bad player centric in Snowball Arena, then the Arena should be geared towards goals that players like that can somewhat handle. And if it is meant to be "lighthearted", then it would be reasonable for it not to contain gameplay concepts that require serious tactics, skill and teamwork to perform competently. ie: Remove all the present running because they can't handle that, not by a longshot. What's wrong with a straight up deathmatch style of snowball fight that everyone could enjoy and would render a lot of the reasonable beefs about the issue irrelevant.

tomcruisejr · Dec 23, 2006, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Don't blame people who take the snowball fights seriously. Blame the title that it can give players. "Skillz", "Pro Skillz". Fun to have under your character.

My guildmate and I wants the title badly. coz it'll be a slap on all haters faces if they see our in game characters with MATH and "Skillz" in it. lmao.

and agreed with Navaros. it requires some "R9+ Relic Running PvP Skills" (not my words, man).

LoKi Foxfire · Dec 23, 2006, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

Don't blame people who take the snowball fights seriously. Blame the title that it can give players. "Skillz", "Pro Skillz". Fun to have under your character.

My guildmate and I wants the title badly. coz it'll be a slap on all haters faces if they see our in game characters with MATH and "Skillz" in it. lmao.

and agreed with Navaros. it requires some "R9+ Relic Running PvP Skills" (not my words, man).

I don't think it's R9. I'm only R3 and I still understand how to body block effectively. It's even funnier watching PvErs who click on their Avatar and end up walking practically sideways when I body block them or when they get stuck on a ledge and can't get around. One time I had a guy going circles around the Young Children by Dwayna's side and it took the guy like 30 seconds to get by me with some help from 2 teammates.

That being said, it's also not fun when your idiot teammates body block you because they don't realize I can't phase through them like in PvE. But other than that, I think the whole title deal makes people take it a lot more seriously. It's a double-edged sword I guess.

tomcruisejr · Dec 23, 2006, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by LoKi Foxfire

I don't think it's R9. I'm only R3 and I still understand how to body block effectively. It's even funnier watching PvErs who click on their Avatar and end up walking practically sideways when I body block them or when they get stuck on a ledge and can't get around. One time I had a guy going circles around the Young Children by Dwayna's side and it took the guy like 30 seconds to get by me with some help from 2 teammates.

That being said, it's also not fun when your idiot teammates body block you because they don't realize I can't phase through them like in PvE. But other than that, I think the whole title deal makes people take it a lot more seriously. It's a double-edged sword I guess.

my bad, i just exaggerated to make a point.

what i really mean is that you need skills to win snowball arena. good body blocks, runner support, using the right skills and such.