Curse

Quaker · Dec 31, 2007, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Sorry, but I just have to rant about this. I get really annoyed when someone posts a question on these forums and people respond with some of the usual BS that goes around GW. In real life, most of these things would be called "urban myths" so I guess we could call them "GW myths".

You know the type of things I'm talking about - "Assassins are fragile", "Rangers don't do damage", "melee fighters need IAS (increased attack speed)", etc., etc.

Most of these myths are flat out wrong and the rest are arguable at best. But my main rant here is about the people who insist on infecting the threads in these forums with this useless crap.

For example (and the one that set me off on this.) was a guy asking for suggestions on how to improve a DPS build for a ranger. About half the responses he got were from nitwits whose only contribution was to say "Rangers are good for interrupts and spreading conditions, not DPS". Not only is this statement argueably false, but as it turns out the OP was aware of that, but wanted to do a DPS ranger build anyway.

So, all I'm asking is - if you can't contribute to the OP's question/problem, don't muck up the threads by posting a bunch of useless crap based upon unsupported myths.

**cosyfiep** · Dec 31, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

unfortunately I dont think what you want will happen, people like to tell others stuff whether its correct or not (the big fish stories)....it would be nice if only the people with the right info posted, but seeing as this is a fan forum you are going to get lots of people who only wish to increase their post count, trolls and the like.....
Nice idea, hope it gets some people attention

Jaythen Tyradel · Dec 31, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Wasn't there another post like this already?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10238597

MMSDome · Dec 31, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Perhaps this whole thread is a myth trying to say that there are myths going on in this forum. The logic of a myth is a myth therefore is not real making you not real so you do not really exist.

You, the OP, are a myth.

Aerian_Skybane · Dec 31, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaythen Tyradel

Wasn't there another post like this already?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10238597

Epic failure of attempted trolling. That thread is nothing like this one.

Anyways, yeah, I see what the OP is stating. I remember back in the day when people spread the myth that certain pets were better than others, such as the spider being a "better" pet than a stalker. Sigh.

The sewer crocodile in Ascalon City DOES exist though. Trust me.

Quaker · Dec 31, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

And, since I know this thread will most likely become a discussion of GW myths, I'll start with a few. By the way, I'm only talking PvE here. Unfortunately too, a lot of people apply PvP stuff to PvE.

"Assassins are fragile" - Assassins have the same armor level as Dervishes (which is more than casters), but you don't find people saying Dervishes are fragile. It comes down to the build you use and how you play it.

"Rangers only interrupt and spread conditions around." - Rangers with the proper skills are very good at interrupting (although other classes, such as Mesmers, are too). But that's not the only thing they do. As far as spreading conditions around goes - that is an iffy prospect at best. I've never found that to be a significant help to a team.
It may (or may not) be that rangers are not as good at DPS as some other classes, but that doesn't mean that can't or shouldn't do damage. If you want DPS, watch a good B/P team in action.

"Melee fighters need IAS" - Like so many things in GW, this involves the interaction of many functions. If you are just simply attacking with your base weapon, IAS (Increased Attack Speed) is useful, or course. But most people use skills to boost the damage of their attacks. The more IAS you have, the more energy you need, the more likely you are to run out of energy. It often gets to a point where you can do more damage overall, at normal attack speeds if you can maintain your energy. It's a balancing act - to say you must use IAS is foolish.

I'll add more later - maybe

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

Sorry, but I just have to rant about this. I get really annoyed when someone posts a question on these forums and people respond with some of the usual BS that goes around GW. In real life, most of these things would be called "urban myths" so I guess we could call them "GW myths".

You know the type of things I'm talking about - "Assassins are fragile", "Rangers don't do damage", "melee fighters need IAS (increased attack speed)", etc., etc.

Most of these myths are flat out wrong and the rest are arguable at best. But my main rant here is about the people who insist on infecting the threads in these forums with this useless crap.

For example (and the one that set me off on this.) was a guy asking for suggestions on how to improve a DPS build for a ranger. About half the responses he got were from nitwits whose only contribution was to say "Rangers are good for interrupts and spreading conditions, not DPS". Not only is this statement argueably false, but as it turns out the OP was aware of that, but wanted to do a DPS ranger build anyway.

So, all I'm asking is - if you can't contribute to the OP's question/problem, don't muck up the threads by posting a bunch of useless crap based upon unsupported myths.

1. They are. 2. They don't. 3. They do. kthxbye

Selket · Dec 31, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

"Assassins are fragile" - Assassins have the same armor level as Dervishes (which is more than casters), but you don't find people saying Dervishes are fragile. It comes down to the build you use and how you play it.

because dervishes are in melandrus half the time and have more base health than any class to begin with

o noes

Zeek Aran · Dec 31, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

...If a warrior doesn't have an IAS, then he's probably an idiot. o.O

To what OP said, Flail doesn't cost energy to use.

/signed for close

Surena · Dec 31, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

You know the type of things I'm talking about - "Assassins are fragile", "Rangers don't do damage", "melee fighters need IAS (increased attack speed)", etc., etc.

Sins are fragile, yes.

Rangers don't excel in dps and never will.

Melee needs IAS to improve its damage output greatly, to unload (chains) quicker, thus kill faster, be deadlier, scarier. Any melee without IAS=GTFO.

I hope you get enough drinks tonight so you can forget you posted this Haufen Scheisse!

Aerian_Skybane · Dec 31, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Surena

Any melee without IAS=GFTO.

Get F**k The Out?

I can't agree more with the OP, since I have run builds that last longer than tanks (Assasins), Do more damage than a warrior with IAS (Ranger), and I have a warrior that doesn't have IAS and he does quite fine.

Myths, all of them!

Quaker · Dec 31, 2007, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Lol - the myth makers attack!

The Riven · Dec 31, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaythen Tyradel

Wasn't there another post like this already?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10238597

No.

That thread was about real myths, GW style. The op here wants to point out that most advice given on guru threads is totaly bloody useless. I agree 100% with him.

Most people who post advice would be better of playing the game a while and then thinking carefully before posting.

As an example, my main now has legendary guardian, vanquish and KOaBD titles comming out his arse, 1,709 hours game time and over 15 million xp. If i was to listen to the advise of the majority of posters i think i would still be stuck at Ascension in prophs.

Happy New Year.

Stormlord Alex · Dec 31, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surena

Sins are fragile, yes.

Rangers don't excel in dps and never will.

Melee needs IAS to improve its damage output greatly, to unload (chains) quicker, thus kill faster, be deadlier, scarier. Any melee without IAS=GFTO.

I hope you get enough drinks tonight so you can forget you posted this Haufen Scheisse!

/agreed.

OP - you are a fool. Players (good, experienced players at that) say these 'myths' for a reason - because they're true.

Kindly...

Untill you know what the hell you're on about.

Good day.

Nyktos · Dec 31, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Assassins are fragile. That's a simple fact. Does that make them bad? No, not even close. But it's still true. And Ranger aren't for DPS. Sure, they help with damage, but their main purpose is interrupts and utility. Even in PvE. And maybe Warriors don't need IAS, but it sure as heck helps. There are very few reasons why I wouldn't run Frenzy (in PvP) or Flail (in PvE). They're good!

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Riven

No.

That thread was about real myths, GW style. The op here wants to point out that most advice given on guru threads is totaly bloody useless. I agree 100% with him.

Most people who post advice would be better of playing the game a while and then thinking carefully before posting.

As an example, my main now has legendary guardian, vanquish and KOaBD titles comming out his arse, 1,709 hours game time and over 15 million xp. If i was to listen to the advise of the majority of posters i think i would still be stuck at Ascension in prophs.

Happy New Year.

I heard titles make you good at PvE. (BTW I think you're bad.)

Taurucis · Dec 31, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

You know a forum's going to hell when you can get flamed for posting your opinions on certain statements.

My Ranger is pure DPS and I can take out pretty much any shrine in an AB. My Assassin is usually near the last to die. And my GB warrior doesn't use an IAS.

I spit your class stereotypes back in your faces.

Jaythen Tyradel · Dec 31, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

Epic failure of attempted trolling. That thread is nothing like this one.

Anyways, yeah, I see what the OP is stating. I remember back in the day when people spread the myth that certain pets were better than others, such as the spider being a "better" pet than a stalker. Sigh.

The sewer crocodile in Ascalon City DOES exist though. Trust me.

wow, didnt know posting a link to a thread that I thought already covers the subject at hand is considered trolling. I guess the mods should just shut down search altogether and ban themselves for doing such thing when they close threads. [sarcastic eyeroll]

Surena · Dec 31, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

I can't agree more with the OP, since I have run builds that last longer than tanks (Assasins)

Tanks are failure concepts, through and through. There was never a need for a tank in this game and there never will.

Quote:

Do more damage than a warrior with IAS (Ranger),

So all decent players/guilds are bad because they don't utilize your impressive builds or they actually know what they're doing because it has been proven over and over? I don't vote for you.

Quote:

and I have a warrior that doesn't have IAS and he does quite fine.

Any warrior with 14 in weapon mastery, IAS and no other skill will do better than yours, and that by miles. In less friendly words: You're pretty bad.

Full Metal X · Dec 31, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Kitty pictures at the ready, this thread is going nowhere.