Curse

Parson Brown · Dec 28, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

If they make the bmp available to everyone, I want the boxes that I gave up to get the bmp.

/agree

There's an empty space on my shelf next to my other 3 GW boxes

IlikeGW · Dec 28, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

The bottomline is, fine, they want to find a new way to sell the BMP. BUT they should consider first the people who made various sacrifices to get GW:EN at release (whether GW:EN being higher price, not getting a box, having to find a way to pay in online store, or the poor souls who were actually buying character slots just for the BMP)... that support shouldn't mean diddly.

I think the best thing is to give these early buyers something else as a bonus. OR sell CE stuff, to be fair.

Croco Clouds · Dec 28, 2007, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Why would ppl want the box anyway? I even forget where I put mines, pile of dust I guess.

fowlero · Dec 28, 2007, 05:48 PM // 17:48

perhaps those who bought it within the original period should gain divine aura!

that way everyone can QQ even more and the whole of GW will implode.

then again...

Personally i'm sure they'll make it available by other means, more money allows more GW "things" and "stuff" to occur, and make GW2 even better than hopefully it will be already.

Btw Anet, i don't know how, but make the BMP even more well publicised. I still come across players that have never even heard of it. God knows how they missed it but somehow they managed.

Hobbs · Dec 28, 2007, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

I think the best thing is to give these early buyers something else as a bonus.

This would just start the problem again though, "Hey that person got the bonus bonus mission pack! I want it, I wasn't told that even if I buy the pack this second time round I wouldn't get the new new stuff." And then the cycle repeats.

To be honest if the bonus pack is sold, I want to be sent the box that I gave up, however it would be a logistical nightmare to get the boxes out to the right people etc. so this will never happen.

The Chimeric Prism is much more shiny and awesome than the BMP weapons (imo) and there won't be a second chance at it because it was a promotion for the release of Prophecies so why should a promotion for the online store and the release of GW:EN be any different?

Everyone get exactly what they deserved as far as the BMP is concerned, those who fulfilled the promotion got the BMP those who wanted the box got the box in the full knowledge they would be missing out on the BMP. Those who couldn't be bothered to get a pre-paid card etc. didn't get the BMP they wanted but evidently didn't try as hard as they could to fulfill the promotion so they didn't deserve it and therefore didn't get it.

SirJackassIII · Dec 28, 2007, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

OR sell CE stuff, to be fair.

There's a difference between the BMP and the CE editions. First and most obvious, the CE also contains RL goodies, not just virtual ones, which -if sold in the OS- means shipping costs. The second is that the conditions for the CE's were the same for everyone. Get it at whatever store closest to you has it and pay in whatever way you want, be it cash, CC, debit, online order, whatever. While some stores in some countries did't have the CE, online orders could still get you one (though added shipping costs), or you could wait until they arrive (New Zealand and Australia had issues IIRC).
This is different from the BMP, where the only option is a CC and the OS. While the OS is available to all, a CC is not, and is a big enough issue to not be ignored or shrugged off by "get a CC card". Even pre-paid cards aren't available in every country, or hard to get.

Besides, the box really isn't much. The manual can be downloaded, the box cover can be found as well. Oh, and a map and a trial key. Both of which haven't left my box so far.

Granted, the fairest way would have been a SE edition of GWEN when it was released, which would have been the same as the normal edition except with an access code for the BMP, with an added cost of 5€ or something. Get BMP from store: pay extra. Buy GWEN from OS: get BMP for free.

BenO_Under · Dec 28, 2007, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Well... The bonus mission pack says Limited Time Only... Right? (correct me if I'm wrong)
The Tim Hortens Roll up the Rim to Win is also for a Limited Time Only... Yet they keep doing it every year...
/flamesheidon
Edit - I'm not saying they will release it again, I'm just stating this.

JONO51 · Dec 28, 2007, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

If they make the bmp available to everyone, I want the boxes that I gave up to get the bmp.

Early adopters pay the price. You wanted it then, you gave up your boxes.

Hobbs · Dec 28, 2007, 06:49 PM // 18:49

And you didn't want it then, you gave up the BMP. Your point is moot.

You can't see me · Dec 28, 2007, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by Togira Ikonaka

And you didn't want it then, you gave up the BMP. Your point is moot.

Did you miss the part where Gaile pretty outwardly said that the BMP will be available?

Stolen Souls · Dec 28, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

Did you miss the part where Gaile pretty outwardly said that the BMP will be available?

Good. Then there's no need to argue about it anymore. Close beaten-horse thread plz kthnx ^_^

Zeek Aran · Dec 28, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

Did you miss the part where Gaile pretty outwardly said that the BMP will be available?

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I don't have any information about the sale of the BMP, or a new BMP promotion, or anything of that sort. Sorry.

Again, here it is.

mortis corpus · Dec 28, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

in a nut shell imho is that like the CE with devine aura, the Tengu mask in the prerelease pack of factions, and other things, people will complain when they see something they were not quick on getting, from what i have seen by the repost of what gaile said that there is no talks over rereleaseing BMP and i know that the advertisement was at the guild wars store, mentioned on wiki, hell i think even talked about here, to complain it wasnt fair is plain silly its done and if you dont have it deal
flaime way but fact is fact dead horse

Ratz · Dec 28, 2007, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Alright, guess I'll add my 2 cents. I've ordered GWEN from the online store so I already have access to the BMP's. With that out of the way, it wouldn't effect me one bit if it were offered again. Even if it were offered the same way, just without the time limit of you having to purchase it from so and so dates.

People that bought GWEN in the online store saying they'd want their boxes if people were allowed to get their BMP are just being cynical. They could just as easily have purchased the game in a real store and purchased something else in the online store to have met the requirements. Fine, you want it to be fair? How about people that spend another $30 on GW's products will get the box and manual for EotN. That would be the equivalent if the BMP promotion were offered in the same way again. Now how many people would actually jump at the chance for spending another $30 for the box? Not many I'd wager, but who knows.

It's not as if someone getting the BMP now would be getting it for free. They still have to pay for it. Is it really taking away from someone's gaming pleasure if the ability to get the BMP were available again? Big woop, they weren't one of the early adopters. Who cares?

As for the people that will bring up the arguement, what about past promotions? If people are getting a 2nd chance for this than why not for other things offered such as pre-order benefits or festival hats? Those were specific instances. This promotion had an arbitrary time limit, which could just as easily been offered at anytime. Heck, no time limit would probable have been the way to go.

Again, I already have access to the BMP. So it doesn't effect me one bit. Anyone who already has it and is really bothered that someone else may or may not be able to get it in the same or possibly in a new/easier/harder fasion have a very parsimonious veiw. Seriously, you already have it. Be happy and atleast just be contempt that if it doesn't effect your gaming, then it can't really be ALL that bad.

jezz · Dec 29, 2007, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by BenO_Under

Well... The bonus mission pack says Limited Time Only... Right? (correct me if I'm wrong)
The Tim Hortens Roll up the Rim to Win is also for a Limited Time Only... Yet they keep doing it every year...
/flamesheidon
Edit - I'm not saying they will release it again, I'm just stating this.

no offense but you really need to read the previous posts...
its basicly Limited Time to get BMP under the Promotion free.

it never states BMP is limited..just the promotion.
people have been confused(including myself) the difference between BMP and Promotion.
took me awhile to understand it, and no twisting of words...says exactly what it is intended as a Promotion.

and people need to stop comparing CE with BMP they are completely different.

Gaile Gray · Dec 29, 2007, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by jezz

no offense but you really need to read the previous posts...
its basicly Limited Time to get BMP under the Promotion free.

it never states BMP is limited..just the promotion.
people have been confused(including myself) the difference between BMP and Promotion.
took me awhile to understand it, and no twisting of words...says exactly what it is intended as a Promotion.

and people need to stop comparing CE with BMP they are completely different.

I endorse this thread. And the calm and reasoned voice behind it.

Please understand -- there is no attempt here to twist words or lie or conceal the truth. We have had an outpouring of requests for the BMP to be sold -- including those who absolutely were not able to purchase, no matter how much they were willing to do so. They lacked the simple ability to use the In-Game or PlayNC Store, which is something we're trying very hard to correct.

In the end, it is my job to relay concerns from the community to the development team, and to share dev team information with the players. I would not be a responsible community representative if I did not share the request of multitudes of players with the business folks, and the business folks will ultimately make the decision about offering the BMP for sale. I am messaging in good faith; they will make the decision that they make in good faith. And, in the end, I guess some percentage of people will be unhappy with whatever decision they make -- that seems sort of inevitable. However, I stand solidly by the fact that no matter what decision is made, some percentage will be made happy by the decision, too.

When there are diametrically opposite points of view, someone ultimately has to make a decision. I do truly trust that that decision will be in the overall best interests of the Guild Wars community, the game, and the company.

Tom Swift · Dec 29, 2007, 04:41 AM // 04:41

I am not concerned about whether the offer the BMP again either as promotion or stand alone For me it won't make any difference as I am still not linking my main account to PlayNC.

However, I would strongly suggest one thing - watch the wording next time. On the final reminder page that came out a few days before the end of the promotion it clearly stated that ANY purchase of 30.00 from PlayNC would qualify for the promotion. That, in fact, was not true. What is really amazing is even now, two months later, it stills says ANY product worth $29.99 from the PlayNC store. http://www.guildwars.com/products/ex...ck/default.php

If you are going to be picky about wording, Gaile, then either change that phrase or start crediting those of us who bought other products from PlayNC during the promotion time with the BMP.

strcpy · Dec 29, 2007, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Please understand -- there is no attempt here to twist words or lie or conceal the truth. We have had an outpouring of requests for the BMP to be sold -- including those who absolutely were not able to purchase, no matter how much they were willing to do so. They lacked the simple ability to use the In-Game or PlayNC Store, which is something we're trying very hard to correct.

I'll buy that - too bad this is after how many posts telling me I'm unable to understand that you never actually used the word "exclusive".

So, should I disregard what you said before or not as this is a totally different reason? Effectively should I, next time, go through it with a fine tooth comb and ask everything that may be "misunderstood" or assume that you will correct something when the whole community thinks something? Of course, this also means that you intended (at least to some extent) the thing to be "exclusive" as that was what nearly the entire community thought.

I'll buy that because of PlayNC store issues you want to offer it again, heck while not really happy about it I'll even buy due to it's popularity that you feel you have to have it as a permanent reward for spending 29 dollars (in fact, that probably should have been the case to begin with). But I do not buy the legalistic (of the bad kind) type of word wrangling given so far, I have a strong suspicion that you wouldn't accept that in you life either (very few people do).

It's like reading a large sign at a grocery store "Special, for one day only, t-bone steak 9.99 per pound" and later find out that "special" means it was put on the board. Some places do that, it is not a lie (they never claimed that was a reduced price), however it *is* misleading and is why they do it. I, and most people, generally feel kinda ripped off when they find this out and, if they continue shopping there (it is usually not enough to make you quit) you pretty much do not trust any of their adds or what they tell you.

Are you going to be a company that starts doing that (you never have before and is a large part of why these threads go for so long) or are you going to be one that when they say "special, for one day only" it means what 99% of people on the planet expect that to mean?

Biostem · Dec 29, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16

Please keep in mind the Gaile is a representative of the company, and not the webmaster or policy maker. As such, she is only able to be a sympathetic ear to us and a go-between from us to the developers. I don't think attacking or picking apart what she says is going to help our case.

I do agree that the wording for the BMP offer is quite vague, and it should be looked into, but these questions could have also been brought up before the trial came and went. If you had written verification that buying *some other* PlayNC product for $30 would get you the BMP, then you have a leg to stand on, otherwise, never assume too much...

Davros Uitar · Dec 29, 2007, 10:43 AM // 10:43

I think that there has been a lot of focus on the emotive and "legal" aspects of the topic, but just doing some musing myself on what the upcoming decision means for the business model that ANET was (or is) trying to encourage.

From all accounts, the on line store direction has been about keeping costs of production / distribution down to a minimum. They offered a bonus promotion to get people to take up / comply with that model. I am sure that weighing into the upcoming re-release decision are thoughts on :

1) What percentage made the swap and what did that do to the ANET bottom line?

2) How many would abandon the online store if the BMP were offered again (ie return to wanting a box and waiting for the next propmotion to be reversed by weight of popular opinion)

3) Given that people now have some idea of the value of ANET promotions, if they don't re-release, what percentage might they shift over to the online store next time they have a new promo / release (ie people seeing that not getting onboard is a choice with consequences).

Now I can say I am in category 1, and I would more than likely migrate back to category 2 if I felt that things could be reversed with a darn good ruckus and bleating.

Gaile is right - the decision will make some happy and others not. I think there will be a large proportion of players with in interest in that, so either way some significant number is going to be pleased and another similar number will be peeved. There is no doubt that ANET can make some extra money out of a re-release of the BMP, but they are going to have to be careful not to kill their push towards online distribution.

Its going to be interesting to see where this goes. I have the BMP and am not totally opposed to a re-release - both sides have merit to their arguments. I think though that if ANET wants to maintain (or indeed accelerate) a push towards the online store then they will more than likely need to price it high enough that people who swapped away fro the box see that they got sufficient value. I am thinking of a promo something like a minimum 20 dollars spent through the online store allows you the rights to buy the BMP for another 15 dollars. Lets face it - the rest of us had to spend a minimum 30 dollars in the store for it and not all of us did that just by buying GWEN.

Well - thats my 2 cents anyway