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Mar 23, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Where I sleep
Guild: The Almond Brothers [Bros]
Profession: N/
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Oct 2006
Guild: [SR] Swedish Cuniculus
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Honestly. If GW2 is so far off, they shouldn't have attempted to leak as much information as they did. He's right... that was a very bad and inexperienced move on every one's part. It's just not the PR's fault, though, y'know... |
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:34 AM // 01:34
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Academy Page
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:38 AM // 01:38
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: Honor Warriors
Profession: E/
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its not anets fault, they have to say SOMETHING. you should really chalk it up to the fans not being happy with any response they get. its really impossible to make all the fans happy. especially with an mmo blizzard is a huge comapny and has 8 million players for wow, and they also cant please all ther fans all the time Last edited by Exoudeous; Mar 23, 2007 at 01:42 AM // 01:42.. |
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:41 AM // 01:41
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Mar 2006
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I'll start by saying that i am a GW fan and i am gonna buy GW2 and maybe even GW:EoN
Just a quick note in case no one didn't noticed: Buying the 3 GW chapters every six months is the same (or almost) as paying WOW six month fee... Since Anet decided to "discuss" BUSINESS with gamers i will give 2 my cents in that way also. Anet discovered that they need to remake the game to fight the WOW cash cow. yes boys and gals this is business, and business means profit and consumer satisfaction, at least thats all we ask. I've played WOW 10 day trial and GW for more than 1 year, and theres no point in comparing the 2 games because GW 2 is a NEW GAME. Quote:
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well we are in the third chapter and i'm still waiting to see those prophecies updates, because not everyone can/wants to own three different chapters of the same game... i know this is business, but costumer respect is appreciated. Quote:
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- i think that the GW gamers in general didn't asked to jump, swim or whatever, but you're are going to apply new programming features, ok with me! - you´re gonna take my gold, my weapons, my armors, my items, my hundreds of hours characters when GW2 is ready, ok with me! just don't justify that change/game transition with a monument of old memories or a family tree (this is a computer game) trying to make it sound like a reward. I, as a gamer/customer find it outrageous that "basic" things like pet controls weren't in the game since day one, or the fact that gamers/customers had to wait until factions to a ridiculous storage upgrade, any many other details that gamers/costumers want to see as a reward instead of a monument of achievements. but of course i understand that Anet needs one more expansion of GW1 to juice up the capability of creating a great GW2, after all business is business. Quote:
1st- theres no point in investing the same amount of time in the actual GW, despite of my love to the game 2nd- you guys can add whatever you want to make GW2 great even if it requires a NASA computer to run it, but... ANET YOU HAD 3 CHAPTERS OF BETA TESTING AND STILL HAVE UNTIL 2008 TO CONTINUE TESTING, AND WE THE GAMERS/CUSTOMERS DEMAND THE BEST MMO GAME EVER!!! ty |
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42
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Academy Page
Join Date: Feb 2007
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* Mention last-minute info on GW:EN * Mention it's the last release for the line of GW1 games * Announce that they're working on GW2 * Tell the fans to keep their eyes peeled for info on GW2 in the future There you have it, the guidline of an article that wouldn't generate (as much) arguing and assuming as they did with the current information they divuldged. |
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Oct 2006
Guild: [SR] Swedish Cuniculus
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I do not know what people are more upset about in regards to these two things: The vague information, or the talk of GW2 (and so early I might add). They honestly should have waited. At any rate, I would not have yelled... but now I am certainly disgruntled with all of this GW2 talk circulating. They didn't have to do it this early and in this way. Bad move. Bad move. :x: Chiron :x:
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:52 AM // 01:52
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: Honor Warriors
Profession: E/
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so now you are calling me stupid. thats kinda funny. especially since you keep saying they leaked info even though they let it out officially. maybe you need to understand what it is to leak info before you call others ignorant. and stop trying to flame and instead partake in an intelligent conversation.
and on top of that the whole point of GWEN is to get people ready for 2, so its kind of impossible to talk about it and not talk about 2. but you are choosing to overlook that I guess. |
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56
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Academy Page
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Texas
Guild: We Wear Sombreros [文文文], Ugly Ducklings [ugly]
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chaotic_chiron have you even read the article yourself? It has just about as much EotN info in it as it does GW2 info
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Oct 2006
Guild: [SR] Swedish Cuniculus
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Nooo... I did not call YOU ignorant, I called your response ignorant. And I think in no shape or form am I ignorant considering as how I clearly stated my my stance: They could have waited to "leak" GW2 info (as aforesaid).
[EDIT: "Ignorant" and "stupid"... two different things, imo.] As for how I meant "leaking info", and how you interpretted it... I cannot help how you interpretted it. I didn't mean it in the context I know you took it in, so perhaps my words could have been chosen better for people such as yourself who care to pick them apart. They could have gone about with an OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE in a bit more intelligent way. Now, if my wording has satisfied your PC appetite... I would like to get back to the question proposed... |
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Mar 23, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59
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Academy Page
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Mar 23, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: Honor Warriors
Profession: E/
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the major point here, is people would be mad at anet no matter what they said. no matter how vague or clear they are. well chaotic, im sorry, but if you want people to get what you mean you have to say it, this is the internet, i do not know you, nor can i sense when you are being sarcastic or serious, so dont belittle me just cause you are using the wrong words. Last edited by Exoudeous; Mar 23, 2007 at 02:03 AM // 02:03.. |
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Mar 23, 2007, 02:01 AM // 02:01
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sweden
Profession: Mo/E
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My thoughts.
To everyone whining about how there won't be any more expansion packs: Did you expect the flow of expansion packs to be never-ending? *Everything* ends. So did the flow of expansion packs. Deal with it, preferably without raging. Do something constructive with your energy instead.
That aside... This is great news! This is just what I've been wanting for a long time! =) Anet, ignore all the emo kids and the whiners. They're just afraid of change. Change can be very good, I say! I've pretty much grown out of GW, it was fun for a year but then, well, people change. Of course, I didn't touch PvP (as I had a 56k modem at the time) and little "pro" work, so I could probably mine more fun out of it if I tried. It took 4 months or so before I mastered the basics (Yes, I'm stupid, only like 120 IQ) and after that I just played for fun, nothing serious. I collected about 880 hours in that year. It was may 05 to april 06. Still, I play it from time to time. That's another great thing about GW, no matter how long you're absent you can log in one day and leap into the action. It's really cool how you feel welcome that way. There's no aggressive "Pay or begone!" coming your way. And now this. GW2 seems awesome, for the following reasons. 1) Better graphics. There's a reason this is #1. I love good graphics. It's even better when you get something good to look at! Loved the women in GW, and I hope for more of that (and more diversity). More faces, more clothes, maybe even an option to alter the body shape a bit? A morphing tool could be cool, as long as it's like The Sims 2 (easy to make 'em basically good-looking with one of the pre-set looks, and it's not too difficult to make your own), and not like Oblivion (one tiny mistake and your character looks like a mishappen freak). 2) Races! I like picking between races. It gives alot of choice, and flavor. I hope they have distinct (cool!) looks and distinct abilities. I also hope that the races don't force the power players into making certain race choices for certain clases, e.g., every warrior in PvP is inevitably Race X, every spellcaster is inevitably Race Y. That would be bad. Still, giving them distinct abilities and looks is important, I think. Otherwise it'll be like in Baldur's Gate 2, where your race doesn't make that much of a difference (except for romances and a few other minor things). Don't get me wrong, BG2 owns like hell, but that minor point is a flaw. I also hope for race-specific quests, like maybe if there's a distrust for "your kind" in a village, you could do a quest and show them you're just as good-hearted as they are. Of course, having another optional "path" to take where you'd instead "take your revenge" on them for their stupid prejudice, would be super great. Please, ANet, give us moral-involving choices like these! Even really simple ones that had no gameplay effect would be so incredibly awesome.  Almost like a *real* role-playing game, only with the added benefit of being online!Speaking of which, please give more room for those of us that want to role-play in the game. It's not fun when you want to role-play while everyone's going, "WTS 30 FURS!1!111" every few seconds. Having districts (or whatever the equivalent in GW2 will be) for role-players would be a massive boon. I hope the gameplay will be similar to the first game. I like the lock-on battle system, it makes the combat look smooth and cool, you can look on while only minding the buttons associated with your skills. The battle system in WoW is H O R R I B L E, I hope the devs don't make it like that. That goes for the rest of the game as well. I really hope they continue on their own track and don't try to incorporate any of WoW's stuff. Devs, if you're reading this, don't bend for the temptation (or the marketing department, perhaps)! Anyways. One thing that would be cool would be to make it so the combatants actually lock blades and such, and really interact in battle. That would really make the battling more immersive than the constant clipping in the first game, where they simply took turns to hit each other. Look at the Knights of the Old Republic game for a good example of what I want (not to say I want a clean rip-off of that battle system). The huge level is a big mistake IMO. What's the point? From what I've read, it seems the whole point is that the devs want players to impress people. There doesn't seem to be a solid reason behind it. It's like, "look, I'm level 677, that means my e-dick is huge, omg". Veterancy should not be about having a high level. The 20 cap in GW is perfect. It really emphasizes how the game focuses on real player skill. You reach level 20, and from then on you have to continually optimize and use real skill to win (which is a lot of fun), rather than just keep leveling to beat every obstacle, like in WoW. That is completely braindead. I'm really sad about this change, I don't want to have levels with three digits in them or some such blasphemy. I prefer REAL gameplay improvements rather than a crude "raise level cap". In this area the developers have given in to many a level-greedy player's whining, and I'm saddened by that. There are better ways to make the game more fun/better. How about slowing the leveling a bit? Make each level a bigger deal. The gameplay shouldn't be about levels, IMO. The high level cap will also lead to grinding. Please, ArenaNET. If you insist on a high level, at least do your UTMOST to prevent grinding. I don't want this to dissolve into the endless, braindead grinding we see in all the other games that have high level caps (EQ2, WoW, etc). Another thing I'd like to see in GW2 would be other things to do than slaughtering monsters. How about some mini-games in the villages and cities? Perhaps some kind of thinking game (there could be arcade games as well, but there needs to be variety) that you play against other people (these would be regional, so you'd actually see locals (NPCs) playing the games in some places). As an extra incentive, make it possible (but optional) to put money/items into the game, and also put up tournaments now and then (with a special prize so people are inclined to join). It would be cool if a player got 'fame' for being, for example, good at game X. Then NPCs he met in cities would sometimes go, "Look, it's [player name]! He's the champion of [game X]!" (something like that would really 'help' the immersion, metinks). Of course, if his fame was small he'd only be known in the area where he plays the most. Maybe even some reward for long-time devotion to a game, like a title. About the music, I think it's okay as is (it's quite enjoyable sometimes), but I do believe having some "battle music" would be a good idea. It would be pretty annoying to hear the drums roll every time you fought a super-sized squirrel though, so I don't know. Still, it's worthy of consideration. Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a 'smart' music system which would play battle music appropriate to the danger level. Like, when fighting the aforementioned squirrel, you'd hear a low rumble and the violins being mildly stressful. And when you later fought a number of master assassins, you'd hear the trumpets and drums rumble threateningly, like the night closing on you (well, maybe that's a bit too good, lol), and when you fought a massive troll for the first time the drums would throb mightily in your ears. The music in GW is a bit too 'dormant' IMO, it never really stands out. I like it in games where the music picks enough so that you notice it, it makes it possible to enjoy it in a different way.I don't know if I like the ditching of the click-to-move maneuver. It made it possible to shave/brush your teeth while running somewhere right before going to bed. You could also chat while running. And now it's going to be gone forever.  I hope they don't change too much of the movement system, I like it the way it is. Except for the invisible walls (though there's few of them, luckily). I hope you can still click a monster to make your character run up and flog it to death. =) That's quite handy.The animations could use some polishing. Especially the mesmer. I could never play as a mesmer, the way it cast spells just didn't work for me. It looked wrong somehow. The whole spinning-every-time-you-cast gets old very quickly. There's also how both mesmers and elementalists hover while casting. I don't see how that's necessary. I still think the casting animations in Baldur's Gate 2 rule, they're so simple yet cool and just scream "wizard!!". Most of all, there needs to be multiple different animations for each action. That's probably a lot of work, but on the other hand it gets pretty repetive when it's doing the same thing over and over, especially when you play a character that casts alot. The female monk's casting is much, much better than the other classes'. =) It looks so athletic and graceful. I really love the female monk, it's probably the best gender/class combination in all of GW as far as I'm concerned. Monk's the most fun, after all. Too bad the female monk doesn't have any good-looking clothes, like most of the other classes have. Most of the clothes she has are pretty plain and forgettable. But I digress.What I want most of all in GW2 is the same as I got in GW, but simply improved. I do not want a whole new experience. I want a new experience that builds upon the one in the first game (there's a difference). I do not want tons of pointless new features just for the flash, I want features that logically and carefully build upon those in the first game. And so on. Overall, looks quite promising. Unless the game becomes terrible somehow, I am definitely getting it. I hope there's an open beta (a bigger one than the one for GW, which I was in), that's fun. |
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Mar 23, 2007, 02:01 AM // 02:01
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Oct 2006
Guild: [SR] Swedish Cuniculus
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Mar 23, 2007, 02:02 AM // 02:02
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<3 Ecto
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Mar 23, 2007, 02:07 AM // 02:07
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
Guild: Honor Warriors
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the vague info you talk of was the summery made by the original poster. right now pc gamer si the only one that has rights to have that info, so not even the offical site can talk about till the info is useless to the magazine |
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Mar 23, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08
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Academy Page
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Mar 23, 2007, 02:10 AM // 02:10
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Journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2005
Profession: R/Mo
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WHAT THE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO?! I hope they make GW:2 and Eye of the North something magnificently spectacular and other such positive adjectives, or else i'll be dropping away from this franchise. I'm not too excited by this article...I personally hoped they'd never add in new races. I guess it's unavoidable in a fantasy MMO, though. |
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Mar 23, 2007, 02:11 AM // 02:11
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: North Kryta Province
Guild: Angel Sharks [As]
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Seriously, there was nothing that Anet could do or say that would make 100% of the population happy. The best they can do is shoot for the majority, which I think they did. Now we just have to sit back and listen to the screaming minority. |
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