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Gambit Shinobi · Jan 10, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Guild Wars is the kindergarten of the RMT/bot industry. GW's bot/RMT issues is NOTHING compared to many, many other MMOs. Be happy that this is so and that ANet has done a good job keeping botting and RMT at bay.

Roo Ella · Jan 10, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

It's prolly been mentioned before but to try and defeat them or make it harder at lest.
Remove the Click able Signs still have the name show up as to what the sign is for new players
Also have the NPC's actually move around say 5 or 10 feet?
Not right at the gate like the one in Shing Je is.
Just an idea anyway.

CougarTheTall · Jan 10, 2008, 12:27 AM // 00:27

What I don't understand is how the GW staff is able to track/defeat the EULA violations that are already going on. I've heard of bots, bot masters, gold sellers and gold buyers being banned, but I can't understand how ANet is able to track any of them down, and if they are able to track one down, why not all?

For instance, if Person A pruchases gold and receives from Person B and ANet is able to track it and ban them, then how can they track someone who is say...trading 100k for a mini-mallyx and then differentiate that it is a legit trade as opposed to a illegitimate trade? It makes no sense.

absolutcrobi · Jan 10, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

I wouldn't, i figure that a lot of the gold sellers really need the real life money and that this is their way of living, since they are supposed to be on 24/7. Plus this allows casual gamers to achieve the same items. Whether its in term of vanity, quality, quantity...etc. But i have also heard of the excessive things going on in the gold selling industry, some people make over 100,000 a year!

Yeah fine gotta make a living but you are doing it by breaking the EULA. Noone should make a living breaking the rules.

absolutcrobi · Jan 10, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by CougarTheTall

What I don't understand is how the GW staff is able to track/defeat the EULA violations that are already going on. I've heard of bots, bot masters, gold sellers and gold buyers being banned, but I can't understand how ANet is able to track any of them down, and if they are able to track one down, why not all?

For instance, if Person A pruchases gold and receives from Person B and ANet is able to track it and ban them, then how can they track someone who is say...trading 100k for a mini-mallyx and then differentiate that it is a legit trade as opposed to a illegitimate trade? It makes no sense.

Well person A is trading 100k to person b person B is trading mini mallx to person A. Where as in most gold buying transactions person A gives person b 100k and person b trades nothing.

mikethevike · Jan 10, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by dies like fish

Bots = more accounts bought from Arena Net
More accounts bought = more money for Arena Net

Easy access to gold and in game items = more players
More players = more accounts bought
More accounts bought = more money for Arena Net

Why would they want to change this?

Exactly

MONEY = POWER

Fidelity · Jan 10, 2008, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by absolutcrobi

Well person A is trading 100k to person b person B is trading mini mallx to person A. Where as in most gold buying transactions person A gives person b 100k and person b trades nothing.

You couldn't just go off those trades though just because person b trades nothing. Myself and others have given/recieved lots of money from guildies or friends without trading anything for free. Does that mean all the generous players will get banned for no reason too?

A friend of mine who has given up on PvE recently gave 10 guildies 100k each. People like him would get banned if that method was implimented.

absolutcrobi · Jan 10, 2008, 02:54 AM // 02:54

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Originally Posted by Fidelity

You couldn't just go off those trades though just because person b trades nothing. Myself and others have given/recieved lots of money from guildies or friends without trading anything for free. Does that mean all the generous players will get banned for no reason too?

A friend of mine who has given up on PvE recently gave 10 guildies 100k each. People like him would get banned if that method was implimented.

Indeed which is why that should only throw up a red flag, if it is an accoutn that has normal pvp and pve time and doesnt recieve large "deposits" of gold form other accounts, then its fine. If its and accoutn that over and over gets and gives away large amounts of gold but dones't really do any pve or pvp time, thats the case for deeper investigation. even the "sting operation" i suggested.

Harrier's haste · Jan 10, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

But you have to realize that, if there is a will, there is a way.
The bot farmers will always find a way to overcome the road blocks that programmers set for them. As the profit is huge and you are earning cash while afk, how sweet is that?

Like absolutcrobi said, we can give these bot users great trouble to continue what they're doing. But too purge GW of all bots? Impossible

R_Frost · Jan 10, 2008, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by CougarTheTall

If you were given the power to make changes to the game, what would you do to stop in game gold selling, bot farming and other forms of "cheating"?

well ive had mixed feelings at times about the changes to the game that have been made to deal with the gold farmers and sellers. ive felt some of the early changes have driven the casual gamer to consider or even actually buy gold. there was a time when if you wanted something and didnt have the money some extra farming time and you had the money usually pretty fast, or much faster then it takes now. theres alot of things that can be done but no one thing alone would make much difference. the economy is pretty much hosed anyways.

ManadartheHealer · Jan 10, 2008, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by dies like fish

Bots = more accounts bought from Arena Net
More accounts bought = more money for Arena Net

Easy access to gold and in game items = more players
More players = more accounts bought
More accounts bought = more money for Arena Net

Why would they want to change this?

If they ban bots in moderation, botting will still be profitable, and they will buy even more accounts.

I would have a problem with bots and gold farmers if they in some way affected me (via the in-game economy and/or lag). However, ANET has already destroyed the economy more than bots ever will, I encounter very select few of them, and prices now are through the floor rather than through the ceiling. My vote would be to have ANET focus on more important things that actually affect me.