Curse

mrvrod · Dec 25, 2007, 11:52 PM // 23:52

I've helped people with quests and missions, given weapons and items away to those in need, and even occasionally (usually just guild members so I can get whole story) lent or given gold or crafting materials for armor purchase.

I have NEVER had anyone flame me or act poorly. But EVERY time I spend any length of time buying or selling in the major cities I come across the lowliest of the lowly! If you want to get a bad attitude quick, just spend time with those people!

(btw, I am not pidgeonholing all b/s, but it IS the higher concentration of a**holes)

silv3rr · Dec 26, 2007, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Back when Factions just came out and chest runs outside of Imperial Sanctum (or was it Raisu Palace?) was popular, there was a guy in the party running on his w/mo...

Anyways long story short: he died, I resurrected him using REBIRTH and instead of thanking me he cussed at me for not using a res signet... 'cause I don't know why but he somehow ended up dying AGAIN when the spot where I res'd him was... well VERY safe and empty. His argument was that I DIDN'T use Rebirth and that I used Resurrect... I could've not res'd him at all but oh well. When he finally realized that I indeed did use rebirth, he just started blaming it on his "lag"... but still no gratitude or any apologies for being a dickwad.

I think I still have that screenshot somewhere actually.

Redfeather1975 · Dec 26, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16

Being nice isn't easy or always rewarding.
But stick with it and eventually you find someone who really appreciates what you did for them and end up making a new friend.

That sounds corny, but it's true.

HawkofStorms · Dec 26, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by mrvrod

I've helped people with quests and missions, given weapons and items away to those in need, and even occasionally (usually just guild members so I can get whole story) lent or given gold or crafting materials for armor purchase.

I have NEVER had anyone flame me or act poorly. But EVERY time I spend any length of time buying or selling in the major cities I come across the lowliest of the lowly! If you want to get a bad attitude quick, just spend time with those people!

(btw, I am not pidgeonholing all b/s, but it IS the higher concentration of a**holes)

Eh... I think the jerk community of GW is pretty evenly distributed.

HA PuGers - Elitest Jerks
PvE PuGers - Immature Jerks
Trade Scammers - Greedy Jerks

~ Dan ~ · Dec 26, 2007, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

Being nice isn't easy or always rewarding.
But stick with it and eventually you find someone who really appreciates what you did for them and end up making a new friend.

That sounds corny, but it's true.

But it's usually not worth all the flames you got in the meantime. Best thing to do is not bother.

Stolen Souls · Dec 26, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

But it's usually not worth all the flames you got in the meantime. Best thing to do is not bother.

I have to agree, unfortunately. Giving anything away that isn't max can result in a flame, as disgusting as that may be. Either that, or you find some ungrateful kid that doesn't know the meaning of the words "thank you". If you're giving away anything besides a perfect weapon or nice rune, you shouldn't expect them to be grateful...but watch them as they head to the merchant to sell it. Granted, once every so often you may get lucky and find someone who ACTUALLY needs what you're giving away.

But I agree. For the most part trying to be nice anymore isn't worth it. I'd rather just merch something than give it to somebody who's gonna flame me and merch it anyway...

Clord · Dec 26, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

I suggest moving to WoW, community is overall much nicer and actual community (and not just players who flame war in their chat all to time) than Guild Wars one. I have played Guild Wars since Factions was newest released game to series.

Hopefully Guild Wars 2 community is overall bit more mature (how good community is usually happen how well game encourage to cooperate with each other as good community).

tmr819 · Dec 26, 2007, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

unfortunately thats the world we live in...
ignorance and hate

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Hence why i don't bother with the majority of the GW community.

Hmmm, I really don't think it's all that bad in GW. Maybe it just seems that way because the really bad experiences stick in your mind.

I can recall offering advice to someone who complained in local chat that it was "impossible" to defeat "Palawa Joko" for the mock duel bonus in Tihark Orchard if you were playing a monk. I whispered him on how I had done it with my monk and got royally cussed out for my trouble.

Oh well.

Mostly, however, I have found the players in GW have been just fine: polite, appreciative, etc. I think it's unfair to characterize the majority of GW players based on the lousy behavior of a few jerks. The good experiences have far outnumbered the bad ones -- at least they have for me.

SerenitySilverstar · Dec 26, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

I don't know what it is about this Wintersday, but I'm finding it really hard to spread the good will. I've tried taking my "Santa" toon around places, giving away cute little nick nacks (tonics, candy weapons, snowmen etc), and I've either been ignored because I'm trying to spread good cheer in a "nice way" (eg: "Happy Wintersday Kamadan, have you been good?" etc) or got laughed at and abused coz they're not leet presents.

It makes this try hard Santa a very sad Panda.

kartmaster · Dec 26, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Every once in a while I come across a nice, not quite max, but low req. item and think, "It would have been nice to have one of these when I started out."

Usually I just advertise the item in Ascalon City "Free to the first LVL 6 or less." I've had pretty good success with that because it at least increases the chances that somebody might actually get some use out of it. I'm sure some folk just take it and merch it, but every once in a while, somebody actually puts a little gold or dye or something on their end of the trade. Not a lot but enough to let you know they appreciate it.

Gaile Gray · Dec 26, 2007, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

I had players running away from me when I try to give away low level greens in shing jea to low level characters, one of them even said no before I even ask cos they seen me asking someone else lol... I finally sold it for 35 to the merchant.

That makes me sad, pumpkin pie.

What makes me really happy, though, was that you tried to give it to a player, which is a very kind and commendable thing to do. Even if it didn't work out, it really was a good thing to do, and I feel if we all try to do a good thing every now and then -- and avoid doing the bad things on a consistent basis

-- the game world really is a better place to be.

Huh, maybe the real world too, huh?

Edit to add:

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

Being nice isn't easy or always rewarding.
But stick with it and eventually you find someone who really appreciates what you did for them and end up making a new friend.

That sounds corny, but it's true.

Not corny at all. If we all live with that philosophy, we can move mountains! <3

Darkhell153 · Dec 26, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

For some reason I've come up with a strict philosophy towards giving items away. If you give an item away always give it to a lower level player, they are more likely to be very thankful for the item in question and have greater need for it then a higher level player.

Not to down anyone who's done it before but I think it's just wasteful to give away an object to an upper level player. And if the person takes the object and sells it right away then you shouldn't be able to complain either, you gave it to them and maybe they could use the gold more effectively then you could use the weapon.

oh yea (fork!) almost finished a post without saying fork.

Olim Chill · Dec 27, 2007, 12:40 AM // 00:40

No good deed goes unpunished.

But don't let that stop you.

Harrier's haste · Dec 27, 2007, 12:43 AM // 00:43

lol so true!

Redfeather1975 · Dec 27, 2007, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by Olim lll

No good deed goes unpunished.

But don't let that stop you.

I should have said that instead! It's less corny.

I wonder why there seem to be a lot of unappreciative people. Or is it that the people are not as appreciative as the one giving was hoping.
I don't know.

high priestess anya · Dec 27, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

dare i say at the risk of being flamed ...lol
but imo 50% of the ppl playing gw get more kicks from flaming ppl for no reason (or very little reason) than playing the game itself.
just something you have to accept that not everyone is as mature as you would like and have to accept also the immaturity of the younger plyers who know no better...

Tyla · Dec 27, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by tmr819

Hmmm, I really don't think it's all that bad in GW. Maybe it just seems that way because the really bad experiences stick in your mind.

Heroes owned pugs way back when Nightfall came into play, so then it wasnt worth the hassle

No more flames ftw i s'pose.

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

dare i say at the risk of being flamed ...lol
but imo 50% of the ppl playing gw get more kicks from flaming ppl for no reason (or very little reason) than playing the game itself.
just something you have to accept that not everyone is as mature as you would like and have to accept also the immaturity of the younger plyers who know no better...

I get it myself, i also feel your pain

ReiNaruto · Jan 10, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47

I just keep good acts for my friend and guildies, I have been called retarded and noob so many times in the past for giving for free items to strangers.

For example, last night while doing Hell's Precipice and Abbandon's Mouth for guardian title, we were running a 8-man team from alliance. We have some good drops like: 3 elite monk tomes, 2 elite mesmer ones and 2 req9 15^50 musraat hornbows. It was awesome.

We all know what all the other is trying to get, we have been playing a lot for so long. One of us was gathering money for his monk elite armor, we give him the hornbows, so he can gets some money. He didn't want to take the elite tomes because another person of the group was working on his Elite Skill hunter title, that gladly and after some time took all the tomes, because he didn't want to take them because we can make some money of them.

I prefer making friends happy than money

Cebe · Jan 10, 2008, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by Bekkr

So let me get this straight: anyone who doesn't know the current market prices (which fluctuate quite a lot) on a particular item isn't worthy of selling said item?

To be fair, it doesn't take much to work our how much an item is worth. You can ask for a price check in local, you can observe what others are selling (ie. if someone is selling a req 11 version of your weapon and they have a price against it , you could try scaling from there). Not putting a price next to your item is really quite dodgy in my opinion so I look over those because I just assume "pm offer" means "unless you're offering me an over inflated price I don't want to know". More irritatingly are the sell adds such as "WTS This Item PM OFFER - No reply = no deal"...Even if you don't like the offer, it's just common courtesy to say "sorry mate, was looking for as little more".

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Originally Posted by Bekkr

Or folks that maybe DO know the market prices and simply wish to ignore them in favor of haggling, talking to people, and coming to a mutually agreeable deal likewise don't deserve to participate in the player market?

More people need to learn to haggle in my opinion. I don't think people who know the market price ignore that information in favour of haggling...because if you try to sell an item for 3 times what it's worth no (vaguely informed) person will want to haggle with you anyway. When I come to sell weapons I will inflate the price a tiny bit, because the best way to get something sold it would seem, is to allow the buyer to haggle you down a bit so they feel like they're getting a bargain...but finding people who know how to haggle is a challenge in itself...inflating the price of an item too much can discourage people to contact you, but lowering the price too much means they will only try to haggle you lower.

Sorry...off on a tangent there.

Doing something nice for a few people really paid off for me a while back. I met some great new players and helped to kit them out and create workable builds. We've become great friends and play together quite often. They are reasonably mature though, certainly not your standard 13 year old self-obsessed newbies, which always helps.

The main obstacle to me being too nice to people in game is ArenaNet to be honest. They seem to pick on people for transferring money etc in game...and people seem to be really worried about taking items for free in case they've been "duped". I bought my new friends a Guild Hall a while back, but after giving them the money they needed for it, I was wondering if ArenaNet would pick up on that one-way transaction, and ban us both for "buying/selling gold" (which it wasn't, it was a donation from an Alliance Leader to the Leader of a newbie guild so they could feel as though they had a "home")...thankfully that one "slipped through".

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Originally Posted by Darkhell153

For some reason I've come up with a strict philosophy towards giving items away. If you give an item away always give it to a lower level player, they are more likely to be very thankful for the item in question and have greater need for it then a higher level player.

True enough...and you hit the jackpot if you give items away to a real newbie who's just started playing the game, and not just on their 8th character! It's fun explaining to them what the weapon "colours" mean and what "max damage" is etc.. and so forth. I always found Tsumei Village a good place for doing this in the past...I used to advertise free weapons in Shing Jea...until I realised to got a lot of suspicious level 2s. Worrying that people created characters purely for free weapons (I mean, I'm charitable, but I don't like dishonesty) I moved to Tsumei. Ascalon isn't so bad for that, but Kamadan always seems too busy to give things away for free.

Esan · Jan 10, 2008, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Why do you think wanting to give items away is being nice? In this brave new world with BMP weapons, dirt cheap mod prices, and three years of accumulated junk, the thing with the most value to me is an empty inventory slot. Stop trying to steal that!