Curse

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by CougarTheTall

DUDE!

I'm probably the most anti-flame person here but you are preaching to a deaf choir while beating a dead horse.

You accessed the exploit 4 times according to you. Thats 4 more times than you should have in the first place. For someone who has played the game as much as you say you have should have realized the first time that:

"Hey, I'm in an outpost that I've never seen before, accessed through a campaign that isn't even the same as where I end up. I wonder why there aren't any people here? I wonder why no one else is doing this and why wiki doesn't mention it? Ohh wow, it allows me to skip the entire DoA and kill the end boss, this is weird, I wonder if it is legal? I wonder if I should come back here 3 more times? Hmm, it sure is weird that everyone is telling me not to tell anyone about this place. I think I'll continue to come back and not report this to the ANet devs..."

No one is that naive. You knew good and well what you were doing. If you ask me personally, I think the only people that should even be CONSIDERED for an un-ban are the people who accessed it ONCE and then sent a trouble ticket to support saying "Hey WTF is with this, you should check it out Mr. Fix-it". Then maybe, just maybe, the ONE or TWO people who actually did that should be considered. Not the people who went in 2, 3, 4,..178 times.

Shell out 40 bucks for a new campaign and start over. It will give you something to do for the year leading up to GW2 and the beta.

And yeah, Ima just shell out 40 bucks to start over, when I spent 2.5 years on an account, building up my HoM for GW 2....you also assume I have that type of money, and a car to drive 26 miles away to the nearest shopping mall. Which I don't, nor a credit card. I'm 15.

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by CougarTheTall

DUDE!

I'm probably the most anti-flame person here but you are preaching to a deaf choir while beating a dead horse.

You accessed the exploit 4 times according to you. Thats 4 more times than you should have in the first place. For someone who has played the game as much as you say you have should have realized the first time that:

"Hey, I'm in an outpost that I've never seen before, accessed through a campaign that isn't even the same as where I end up. I wonder why there aren't any people here? I wonder why no one else is doing this and why wiki doesn't mention it? Ohh wow, it allows me to skip the entire DoA and kill the end boss, this is weird, I wonder if it is legal? I wonder if I should come back here 3 more times? Hmm, it sure is weird that everyone is telling me not to tell anyone about this place. I think I'll continue to come back and not report this to the ANet devs..."

No one is that naive. You knew good and well what you were doing. If you ask me personally, I think the only people that should even be CONSIDERED for an un-ban are the people who accessed it ONCE and then sent a trouble ticket to support saying "Hey WTF is with this, you should check it out Mr. Fix-it". Then maybe, just maybe, the ONE or TWO people who actually did that should be considered. Not the people who went in 2, 3, 4,..178 times.

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lol
where the hell was you when this was all goin on? you could have saved the day!!
bug was reported way back in 2007 numerous times apparently....
no fix so people got twitchy, not to mention the countless other people who where getting away with it week in week out, you think "6 months and still no fix, ok maybe it may be ok to do it" possible...
duncan farm....
55 farm...
bots....
ferries....

vaxmor · Jan 13, 2008, 07:09 AM // 07:09

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Originally Posted by Clait

You are right we are guilty.

ding ding - we have a thread winner!

I cant believe that its taken 90++pages for those spl0iterz to finally admit they are guilty of violating the EULA.

Its taken 90++pages to get to past Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and finally to Acceptance, congratulations.

Who needs Dr. Phil when youve got GWG?

Creeping Carl · Jan 13, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Ok, I have been trying to be more sympathetic to the ones who got banned, but their behaviour here sure is making it impossible. I tried giving you advice on how and what to submit in your report tickets and what do I get? Accusations that I'm being self righteous and lying. And just when I thought the misunderstanding cleared up, it starts up again.

So from everything I've seen posted from the people who got banned here, I've seen no convincing arguments from them that they were innocent and coupled with their bad attitudes, I'm now totally convinced it was well deserved.

Tickle · Jan 13, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

I was one of the "lucky" ones that got banned for no other reason than an ANets mod inability to read logs properly due to the way that the game engine schematics are set up and has also cost me an account that I spent 7000+ hours on and had all 4 campaigns (including 2 Collectors Editions + also pre-order packs), does ANet really think I would actually intentionally go about getting an account like that banned?
Did ANet take into consideration when reviewing the logs that when you change characters after you map into the guild hall and then change to another character that once you jump onto the character you just changed from that it puts you back into the area you were at before going to the guild hall?
ie, character1 @ Lions Arch -> Take character1 to guild hall -> Change to character2 -> change back to character1 -> once loaded it loads in Lions Arch NOT the guild hall.
And since I change characters quite often to try and move items around on characters and also try and create storage space in my storage chest then my Paragon would of been deemed to be going back to the so called exploitable area. But the Paragon never exploited anything in that area. All the Paragon done was map back to the guild hall only to be taken back to that area in question.
Did I exploit that area by doing this? NO
Did I gain anything out of that exploitable area? NO
Did I take anyone to that exploitable area? NO
Here is my scenario..
I got told to meet a "friend" in his guild hall, he sent me an invite so away I went to see him. I joined his party and next thing I'm being transported to an outpost I never knew existed, I loaded into this outpost and as soon as I loaded my friend entered the mission after the priest got killed which took around 30 seconds we returned to the Ebony Citadel outpost. Apart from that one time I got taken into the mission I did not enter nor take anyone to the town/mission to exploit anything.
Perhaps having a full storage was my downfall or perhaps I am right in assuming that I'm a victim of an over zealous GM.
BTW ppl that know me in-game and from here also know that I would never intentionally exploit anything (I guess you can call it maturity) and I would never do anything to loose my account and what was on it.
People are going to assume the worse but thats human nature, I'm just hoping that ANet will learn how to efficiently read the history logs.
One other time I got banned for being a bot for 16 days, I don't run macros nor 3rd party software and it took ANet 16 days to figure this out and reinstate me, I just hope ANet resolves this issue sooner rather than later. I've submitted support tickets to no avail so now I'm sharing my plight with you.
But please take note about the changing characters scenario as I think this has caused me to loose my account and not me actually so called exploiting anything.

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 07:14 AM // 07:14

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Originally Posted by vaxmor

ding ding - we have a thread winner!

I cant believe that its taken 90++pages for those spl0iterz to finally admit they are guilty of violating the EULA.

Its taken 90++pages to get to past Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and finally to Acceptance, congratulations.

Who needs Dr. Phil when youve got GWG?

no sarcasm pls..these guys already took enough blows
the guy below me is hunting forum points...

Zehnchu · Jan 13, 2008, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

you mean you have no means to prove who went on to fight mallyx from the bugged area?

i hope so as i was in there a few times but only entered battle once...and left shortly after

How in the word did you come to that conclusion? In no way shape or form has she said that.

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

yeah they are guilty...shame . but lets not forget all the people who farm duncan etc....i wonder how many of you guys who are putting the guilty down and kicking them in the face after they just got booted, you guys who trying to push along their lifetime bans.. i just wonder how many of you are guilty of other exploits ie duncan as just stated....

First you need to completely stop with the comparison between Duncan and what you where banned for, because they are two different things and here is why..

You where in a restricted outpost, an outpost that you never meant to be in that same outpost that you visited that counted towards your ban every time you account stepped foot in it. It doesn’t matter what you did mission or not it’s is a plus one every time you where in this restricted outpost, if you went to this restricted outpost and no one was there and you left it still counts against you, if you grouped there plus one, if you ferried someone else in that’s a plus one and a check mark because you ferried them in.

Do you get it now? The Ebony Citadel of Mallyx is that restricted outpost that you never meant to be in. And it is because you where in that outpost (give or take a few other reason) you where banned.

So stop with trying to shift the blame off yourself and your own actions.

quicksilv3r · Jan 13, 2008, 07:24 AM // 07:24

I was one of the "lucky" ones that didnt get a banned. and all my loot has been giving away to new players or for cheep in all 3 chapters of guildwars, still have some left, am upset that these 117 got banned for a glitch tha was reported about 6-7 months ago..
ps. i still buy gold from anet, and give to the poor people or beggers/dancers.

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

How in the word did you come to that conclusion? In no way shape or form has she said that.

First you need to completely stop with the comparison between Duncan and what you where banned for, because they are two different things and here is why..

You where in a restricted outpost, an outpost that you never meant to be in that same outpost that you visited that counted towards your ban every time you account stepped foot in it. It doesn’t matter what you did mission or not it’s is a plus one every time you where in this restricted outpost, if you went to this restricted outpost and no one was there and you left it still counts against you, if you grouped there plus one, if you ferried someone else in that’s a plus one and a check mark because you ferried them in.

Do you get it now? The Ebony Citadel of Mallyx is that restricted outpost that you never meant to be in. And it is because you where in that outpost (give or take a few other reason) you where banned.

So stop with trying to shift the blame off yourself and your own actions.

lol
seriously i care nothing for the results of this, if i did wrong by entering the area 3 times then so be it, i didnt gain nothing and to me that is morally right, to you? who knows? who cares? this thread is for the people affected mainly, your opinion is welcome but show some respect and atleast try and understand where i am coming from and stop trying to counter argue.we aint here to argue, we are here to explain and summarise, maybe even help with the final outcome....
i would also like to add that i know members of your guild who did the same the thing.

ghostlyfenix · Jan 13, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34

well least they could do for the banned people who EXPLOITED it is whipe there chars and storage[leave campaigns] and let them start from scratch for being idiots, and for all the HACKERS = perma bann

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 07:41 AM // 07:41

Tickle anet have set a boundary so to speak. they are reviewing each ticket and seeing how many times you accessed the affected area, so far if it is below 4 times you may get your account back..although the jury is still out as to wether going to the area then moving on to mallyx or just going to the area to speak to friends is bannable...although lots of people here want to see everyone banned for just being there even though you do no wrong doing...and aim not to benefit from the exploit in their eyes you still in the wrong...but if you have only been there less than 4 times you should get your account back...be patient only submit one ticket and wait for a response

jus like me

Oblivion Odyssey · Jan 13, 2008, 07:45 AM // 07:45

Im going to throw in my two cents here

For the msot part I completely agree with Anet course of action, however i think there is one serious problem.
The approach taken here, as it stands so far, is pretty much an all or nothing approach. Meaning that either people got permabanned, or they got nothing. As I said this is just the situation now, it's likely to change in the near future.
Usually this approach would be fine, however it's only fine if everyone knows exactly what the "cut-off" point is between getting nothing and getting perma-banned. So far Anet really hasnt made it clear and some of their responses contradict each other. Currently we have no idea what EXACTLY constitutes a permaban while others who also used the exploit can get nothing.
Personally I think if this was made exactly clear a lot of problems could be resolved.
But hey thats just me.

FoxBat · Jan 13, 2008, 07:49 AM // 07:49

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Originally Posted by Tickle

Check my comments on page #92, I think they might of got missed because of all the bickering.
:P

There's some delcious irony to you getting banned because of Anet's "kick you out of hall" bug.

The bannings were idiotic really, ANet. Admit you left a gaping hole for six months and just now fixed it. Banning those who weren't actively hacking is just to make people not revile your negligence.

Venus Anu · Jan 13, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

lol
seriously i care nothing for the results of this, if i did wrong by entering the area 3 times then so be it, i didnt gain nothing and to me that is morally right, to you? who knows? who cares? this thread is for the people affected mainly, your opinion is welcome but show some respect and atleast try and understand where i am coming from and stop trying to counter argue.we aint here to argue, we are here to explain and summarise, maybe even help with the final outcome....

I feel for you and the others. Though I didn't do this Mallyx thing I do know people who did and are in the same boat with you.
Maybe if more people knew about it no one would have been banned, like all the past exploitable things that have happened.

I personally hope that A-net's support lifts the perma bans off these folks.
That is what seems right to me. I realize the exploits are wrong, lots of people try it when it happens, it is human nature to be curious. And then repeat if it was a good time. You wouldn't give the death penalty to kids who went out joy riding. Maybe suspend their license for a while.

This thread is full of support for the ban and for the banned.

Thanks GWGuru for letting us share our opinions.

Thanks Gaile Grey for taking a personal interest in this and giving us feedback, even if it is hard to swallow. I hope when the weekend is over we will know a final ruling, whatever it maybe.

Good luck to those banned, I do wish you all the best, everyone makes mistakes. I hope you get a second chance.

vaxmor · Jan 13, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by Venus Anu

I hope when the weekend is over we will know a final ruling, whatever it maybe.

I thought we already had a 'final ruling', 'Ban them all and let Grenth sort them out' seems to be order of the day - incidentally, one that I whole heartedly support.

As an aside, almost 100pages. . .does that in of itself qualify this thread for 'epic' status?

gone · Jan 13, 2008, 08:03 AM // 08:03

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

although lots of people here want to see everyone banned for just being there even though you do no wrong doing

being there in and of itself IS the wrong doing. that is what some of you just don't seem to get the gist of. I'm surprised that you few are even getting the benefit of the doubt.

to the few that suggest that anet wipes the characters and hands out a temp ban..
the smart players already dumped the junk on their alts, or they used their alts to begin with.

filipino=pinoy · Jan 13, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05

This whole thread is about bickering and whining about being banned for knowing or not knowing about this exploit. Hard Missions and Quests cannot be just warped there in an instance without having to go through the whole thing. Anyone with half a brain will notice that this hard mission just got easier by just being brought there without a struggle.

Why whine here and not represent your case through an email to Arena.net? This thread has died, and become spam to relentless non-relevant conversation.

To those banned, I cannot say I feel sorry for you, but you came along with the exploit, you get the punishment. As Gaile said, appeal through email and see what happens.

I have no clue why people will flame,piss and moan, and whine in this thread. It does no good, it really doesn't.

filipino=pinoy · Jan 13, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

Not really a complain per say. But just a wake up call to this thread. Not to be blunt or anything but this thread really doesn't do any good. It doesn't appeal to Arena.net about the people who were banned. It dissolved really into nothing or than just a thread to +10000 your post count.

Zehnchu · Jan 13, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

lol
seriously i care nothing for the results of this,

Then why are you here?

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

i would also like to add that i know members of your guild who did the same the thing.

Even if you really did, I guess they would be banned for it. However I see no mention from anyone in my Guild on our private Guild forums that anyone has been banned for the abuse of this exploit. But clearly you haven’t figured out that there can be any number of the same Guild Tag.

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

dont rage me boy you are possibly guilty yourself

It’s clear what you are purposely trying to do, how ever I will not fall into this trap. When you are ready to have a serious discussion this thread my still be here.

Zehnchu · Jan 13, 2008, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by ghostlyfenix

well least they could do for the banned people who EXPLOITED it is whipe there chars and storage[leave campaigns] and let them start from scratch for being idiots, and for all the HACKERS = perma bann

That would never work, all they would do is transfer their items to friends and then get them back once they could come back.