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zerulus · Jan 11, 2008, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by leprekan

You sir hit the nail on the head.

If any of us thought it was a bannable exploit we wouldn't have been doing it. Duncan showed that a ferry to end boss did not result in a ban. There was no reason for us to think this would either. If they had banned for Duncan ferry then only the mentally challenged would have used the Mallyx ferry. It isn't asking too much for a game company to take the same stance on all related issues.

I love how people try to use the notion of a double standard to avoid punishment for something they have done wrong. The other person wasn't punished, so you should go free too? I've seen it stated several times in this thread that the people who were banned did it because they "thought" they wouldn't get in trouble even though it was obviously wrong. Unfortunatley for you anet doesn't have to show consistency with their punishments for exploitation of its game. Hopefully this will deter people from doing these things in the future, as just knowing it is wrong to do is obviously not enough. I wish they would ban more people as some of the shit that goes on in this game is ridiculous, but at least this is a good start.

Zeek Aran · Jan 11, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by pochoWICKED

i never knew i would get banned.
I thought Anet would Just nerf it Like every other exploit there was.
So that's why people kept it quiet.
not because they knew they would get banned..........
they didnt want it to get nerfed......

If everyone knew about it, there would be too many people involved and your chance of a ban would have lessened a lot. By keeping it in a small group, you GUARANTEED your ban.

I pwnd U · Jan 11, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Clait

Isn't that the point though? They are willing to sacrifice a small amount of players to make a point. However, if its above a certain amount.. they are unwilling to ban anybody. Thats being impartial.

No the point is people cheated and skipped to the end of an elite mission. Whether by exploit or hack it doesn't matter. They breached the EULA and cheated to get mass wealth just like the dupers, who were also banned. That is the point. They cheated.

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by IsoArt

There seems to be diffrent speculations as why 117 people were banned. From my understanding of the posts thus far, it would appear that 117 people had zoned (through an exploit in the client side program) into an unauthorize hidden server (outposts) reserved for Development and Testing. Furthemore, there are most likely more hidden outposts throughout the program that are not meant to be accessed by users. These hidden outposts probably serve the purpose of performing quick updates by ANET Developers and Testers such as those seen on Wedesday/Thursday. So it seems to be clear that being in an unauthrorized server constitutes a ban.

more then a few people gave exact details how to do this ive never done it myself but i really really think my GOOD friend of 2 years is gonna atlast gimme a smidgen of warning ig they are gonna get me involved with hacks.

this of course is only what we hear on here and there are always two sides of a conversation lol

quickmonty · Jan 11, 2008, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Okay. Enough of the Duncan ferry and the pre-searing exploit.

ANET corrected those problems and said, in effect, don't do it again.

Some people didn't learn from that and now they are QQ'ing.

You didn't learn the lesson. You got caught. You got banned. End of story.

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

and noone told me because they knew i would have reported them all and caused the closure of the exploit in 5 minutes. easy

Considering people have been reporting this for months, I dont think you could deliver on that.

Drop of Fear · Jan 11, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by Clait

Considering people have been reporting this for months, I dont think you could deliver on that.

i would have taken screens and created a big mess here on guru like that guy made 2 days ago. delivered

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by evilseabass

I've read every post up to this point, yes, all 50 pages....

Lets get some facts straight:

1. This was not a hack of the .DAT file.

2. This was not a client-side hack of any sort.

3. This used the exact same mechanics as the "map-anywhere" exploit that was widely known a few weeks ago.

4. This used the exact same mechanics as ferrying someone from guildhall to Urgoz/Deep (meaning that you had to have progressed through to Mallyx naturally at least once in order to use this exploit - same thing with Urgoz/Deep, you must visit that town once using a scroll or by owning the town entrance, before a ferry will work).

5. This by-passed certain pre-requisite quests, the same way the Duncan exploit did.

So the real questions here are:
Why does ANet have a double standard in dealing with this issue?
Why did it take ANet 3 tries to actually patch this problem?
Is the issue really fixed?

There are 2 ethical choices to deal with this issue:
1. Ban everyone who ever exploited items 3,4, and 5 posted above.
2. Reverse the bans of these 117 players, and take steps to reduce these types of exploits in the future.

Obviously, if there is evidence that someone actually hacked, then they should remain banned. But everything I have read in these 50 pages seems to indicate that no actual hacking took place.

I would really love it if someone at ANet could pop in here, or PM me, and explain why they have this double standard.

I agree completely with this.

English Warrior · Jan 11, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by Clait

Considering people have been reporting this for months, I dont think you could deliver on that.

and it didn't get fixed as far as i know until it was posted and made more public on here.

English Warrior · Jan 11, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

/ AGREE with evilsea bass i couldnt agree anymore with my own words.

-Sonata- · Jan 11, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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... Apparently half of his guild and alliance got banned and they want to mess Guild Wars up. The guy said he has found a way to cause extreme server lag and make Guild Wars unplayable with minimal effort.

And we're supposed to believe that no sort of game manipulation happened in the first place? If certain "players", with "minimal effort", are now willing to make Guild Wars unplayable right now then I have every reason to believe they had the capabilities to do what Anet has stated they did with the Mallyx incident.

Threats like these don't help the case of those who are claiming innocence in this entire mess.

IamNotBanned · Jan 11, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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i would have took screen and created a big mess here on guru like that guy made 2 days ago. delivered

So you wold have caused some controversy? nice

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

Okay. Enough of the Duncan ferry and the pre-searing exploit.

ANET corrected those problems and said, in effect, don't do it again.

Some people didn't learn from that and now they are QQ'ing.

You didn't learn the lesson. You got caught. You got banned. End of story.

ive never farmed any dam thing illegally until this point right now so youf facts are obviousy a lil skewed.. as a matter of fact my rep has been sparklin clean for years..maybe you shouldnt assume so much eh?

Rexion · Jan 11, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

so what happens when you get banned? do you get like a letter from ANet saying you have?

just always wondered why we had to enter our mailing address...

pablo24 · Jan 11, 2008, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by -Sonata-

And we're supposed to believe that no sort of game manipulation happened in the first place? If certain "players", with "minimal effort", are now willing to make Guild Wars unplayable right now then I have every reason to believe they had the capabilities to do what Anet has stated they did with the Mallyx incident.

Threats like these don't help the case of those who are claiming innocence in this entire mess.

What the guy told me doesn't involve anything against the EULA, no client editing, no packet editing, nothing of all that.

pochoWICKED · Jan 11, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

If everyone knew about it, there would be too many people involved and your chance of a ban would have lessened a lot. By keeping it in a small group, you GUARANTEED your ban.

Lol apparently there was 117 people doing it.
Everyone that i talked to was doing it.
I got sucked in like drugs.
Didn't know it would blow up like this.
I guess I Have to pay the price though.
=/

Creeping Carl · Jan 11, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

I love how people are trying to justify their actions just because ANET has been forgiving and leniant in the past. It's like being given a warning a few times for reckless driving. And then screaming at the cops for arresting you and sending you to prison for your third offense.

It was clear that ANET frowned upon shortcuts/ferrying when they closed the Duncan exploit. And yet people still did it with MallyX? Yep they deserve the ban.

Drop of Fear · Jan 11, 2008, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by IamNotBanned

So you wold have caused some controversy? nice

the only way to force a.net to close exploits soonish is to post here. without telling in any way ppl "do this do that and you're on track".
if u want to report a broken feature or a bug, u can either send a support ticket and wait few days for a reply from someone who 99% of the times doesnt understand how bad is the issue, or u can post on guru and make a.net programmers aware within hours.

SirJackassIII · Jan 11, 2008, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Rexion

so what happens when you get banned? do you get like a letter from ANet saying you have?

just always wondered why we had to enter our mailing address...

I assume they got the basic message when they logged in:

Error ###: Your account has been banned for the following reason: ___________.
This ban is permanent. If you wish to discuss the ban, please contact the Support service.

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Rexion

so what happens when you get banned? do you get like a letter from ANet saying you have?

just always wondered why we had to enter our mailing address...

Nope, you dont even get a warning, when you go to log in you get a error with a message "youve been banned permantly" code=045