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fog_of_redoubt · Mar 30, 2007, 05:22 AM // 05:22

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

1 you are being very flammatory/ insulting cause you don't like what i am saying. sorry you cant be mature about it cause you want things your way. Thats a very unneeded attack and it makes you look like a child.

2. No you are quite wrong about them doing anything they want. a game engine is like the law of the universe, and once that universe is up and running you cant just change anything you want on the fly if you could game companies would save money and not remake their game engines over and over. this is why they are doing guild wars 2, because there are changes that need to be made and they cant be done to this game.

its easy to complain about something, but you really need to sit and think about it objectively and take your personal feelings out of it. You think they Can do it just cause you want them too. but i doubt you would actually be saying that if you worked on games and knew what it takes to do such things.

its not pessimism, its called being realistic. pessimism would be "they wont upgrade cause they want more money from you, even though they could upgrade it easily"

So your knowledge of this game engine leads you to believe that adding a "dye tab" can't be done even though they add a materials tab? And they added a Festival Het NPC but they cant add an NPC to hold Hero Runes?

As someone else pointed out, we dont need 500 new slots... We need some creative improvements... Stacking items that currently dont stack... If I have 4 Radiant insignias let em stack... Give me a Dye tab.

I think you are wrong. I'll bet you didnt think the game engine would allow mini pets... I'll bet you didnt think the game engine would allow pets in towns

arcanemacabre · Mar 30, 2007, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

its not pessimism, its called being realistic. pessimism would be "they wont upgrade cause they want more money from you, even though they could upgrade it easily"

Hahaha, and then you woke up to the real world.

Again, it's obviously a matter of money. It's either, they don't want to waste the resources to program it = money. Or the server thing = money. Or they think they can just keep milking the character slot purchases in the online store = money. Either way, it breaks down to that fundamental green stuff.

I have no problems with this, because I understand it. If you don't wish to open your eyes to the "terrible truth", you're fooling yourself. Nothing to get all gnarled up over, though.

fog_of_redoubt · Mar 30, 2007, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

and i bet you are wrong about me thinking those things, cause mini pets have nothing to do with storage. game wise you can do anything in an outpost you can in explorable areas except tehy lock things off like skills. so no it didnt suprise me cause those are in the realm of being able to do.

im not saying a dye tab is impossible, cause it is infact possible. but really how many people collect dyes? yes some do, but not alot. I recal people complaining material storage was useless too caue they dont store materials.

and what would the point be of a une npc? that would jsut allow you to get 1 sup vigor rune and copy it endlessly, which would destroy the economy.

armor tabs are quite a diffrent story casue my armor wil be diffrent from your armor. where as all materials are the same, which is why material storage works, it only records the number you have instead of having to remember what exact item it is. because each slot is a specific material.

I think you missed my point entirely... You said ANet couldn't improve storage becasue the game engine would not allow it. That is incorrect. 1) YOU DONT KNOW what the engine can and cant do. 2) Enven if there are some things that would be hard to implement based on the current engine, there are other ways to accomplish things.

Quit being so negative about what can be done and quit sitting here and telling everyone what they dont need... What the hell is your problem? If you dont want extra storage dont use it.

The Ernada · Mar 30, 2007, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by Tempy

OMFG I have seen it all now...people actually to argue against more storage with the "then dont make so much armor" Doesn't matter what the OP choses to put in the limited slots the fact of the matter is there isn't enough of them to utilize.

For all of you saying then don't make that much armor I assume you have no gripes about storage, and will not find you on the countless other threads making the argument for more.

1. NO ONE argued against having more storage. There's only arguments that extra storage isnt as easy to put in as people make it sound like it to be.

2. No, it doesnt matter what the OP puts in storage. But when he says stuff like , "How does anet expect us to enjoy Eye of the Norths new armor sets if they don't plan on making some extra organized room for them? " and he's got 3 sets of armor for each character and 7 for one, then it's not really ANET's fault is it?

3. Don't make assumptions without even reading the posts. It makes you look...well...you know.

And to others I say the same. Stop assuming that the people who arent pushy and demanding dont want more storage. I guess you cant make any arguments unless it's an "Us" against "Them" type of deal eh?

arcanemacabre · Mar 30, 2007, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

please tell me where to read about it being the truth. what article did you read it in?

look if they could make extra storage and charge for it im sure they would, but they havent have they?

your opinion is diffrent from what is the truth.

the whole point here which no one seems to get is that just cause you think it is easy for them to change something about the game, doesnt mean it is, because you anrt the one that has to do it. look at how many time they chagned something in the game and something completly diffrent gets affected. imagine if they mess with storage and you lose something becaus it wasnt done perfectly. then you would complain about that too.

2....years....

That's how long they've had to make more storage. That's how long people have been complaining about it. You're telling me that they haven't done it in 2 friggin years because.... they... can't? What?

So much has changed in the game, graphically and mechanically, but they can't add more storage because why? The engine doesn't support it?? How can that make any sense at all? Honestly, I can understand entirely about them not being able to "add a y-axis" or whatever, that's a game engine thing. Fine, perfectly understandable that it would just require wayyy too much of an overhaul. But a bigger storage box?

Allow me to point you to another feature that is a bit limited, and could easily be extended, but it isn't. Maybe you can tell me why it would be so darn complicated to do with their code:

The Party Search Feature. Why is it that limited in the number of characters you can type? Seriously, why? Surely you would agree that just about everyone would like the number of characters to be higher. Would make it a lot more useful. Why has it not been done? Think about it.

Based on this astounding logic I have, I can only conclude that it must have something to do with server load. Plain and simple. Saying it's too hard to program is a nice way of saying the programmers are idiots. At least I'm not politely insulting the programmers.

Exoudeous · Mar 30, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

it wouldnt be hard to do if they didnt have restrictions, but they do, and thats what I am geting at.

remember material storage? originally that was only available if you bought factions, which meant they needed money to implemt it. something costing money is diffrent from them being able to, but not willing so they make money. im sure they could do alot more with the game, but they need to stay in budget. as i said hard to implent, i never said coding was the only part of it.

Ruby Lightheart · Mar 30, 2007, 05:50 AM // 05:50

As much as I would like more storage space, its just not gonna happen. Anet must not see the storage issue as anything major depsite players asking for 2 years. It is a complaint that has exsisted since beta, along with the lack of auction house and lack of gulid bank/storage.

No amount of screaming and flaming is gonna to convince Anet that player want and are willing to play for more storage slots.

Its counter productive to do all this flaming of one anothe here on the forums.

Anet does not see a problem with storage and I doubt they ever will.

Urban Masterpiece · Mar 30, 2007, 05:58 AM // 05:58

We definitely need a storage upgrade for probably everything. How about something for those blasted mini pets? How does anet expect just to just make space for those little boogers. I love collecting them and that is what they are. Collectables.

arcanemacabre · Mar 30, 2007, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

it wouldnt be hard to do if they didnt have restrictions, but they do, and thats what I am geting at.

remember material storage? originally that was only available if you bought factions, which meant they needed money to implemt it. something costing money is diffrent from them being able to, but not willing so they make money. im sure they could do alot more with the game, but they need to stay in budget. as i said hard to implent, i never said coding was the only part of it.

That's pretty much what I said earlier. So you agree? They could easily add storage, they just won't. It's not a matter of can't. Any restrictions they have is placed on themselves by themselves. Whatever the reason, be it implementation costs, server load, or milking the character slots, it all boils down to money and cost. Resources.

Of course they can't come right out and say it, which is why there is never an explanation. That would be bad PR (or CR). You don't tell your customers that you refuse to do something because they don't have the money. After all, the customers are funding them. We'd look at 'em and go "Dowah!? What did you do with our money, then!?" Just a bad situation.

Again, I have no qualms about this because it's normal business operandi. Perfectly understandable. The big question is, and you've brought this up, too, is why don't they add a more storage feature in the online store? That's the only thing I don't understand.

EDIT: Oh and Phantom, you seriously need to cooldown, fella.

fog_of_redoubt · Mar 30, 2007, 06:00 AM // 06:00

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Originally Posted by Ruby Lightheart

As much as I would like more storage space, its just not gonna happen. Anet must not see the storage issue as anything major depsite players asking for 2 years. It is a complaint that has exsisted since beta, along with the lack of auction house and lack of gulid bank/storage.

No amount of screaming and flaming is gonna to convince Anet that player want and are willing to play for more storage slots.

Its counter productive to do all this flaming of one anothe here on the forums.

Anet does not see a problem with storage and I doubt they ever will.

You may be right, I still hold out hope that the move to add "content" via GW:EN as opposed to adding a new chapter with new professions... Is so that they can add the content of storage, auction house guild bank/storage... etc... Although I wouldn't hold out much hope for the auction house.

If you think about it GW:EN is actually going to have taken longer than any chapter. And all of the work of adding professions can be used to add game features. The 18 new "dungeons" as they are calling them would be just like the missions/towns/areas of a chapter, so that can be done by the teams that normally do that work... and the features can be done by the guys that normally add professions to a new chapter.

Exoudeous · Mar 30, 2007, 06:08 AM // 06:08

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

That's pretty much what I said earlier. So you agree? They could easily add storage, they just won't. It's not a matter of can't. Any restrictions they have is placed on themselves by themselves. Whatever the reason, be it implementation costs, server load, or milking the character slots, it all boils down to money and cost. Resources.

Of course they can't come right out and say it, which is why there is never an explanation. That would be bad PR (or CR). You don't tell your customers that you refuse to do something because they don't have the money. After all, the customers are funding them. We'd look at 'em and go "Dowah!? What did you do with our money, then!?" Just a bad situation.

Again, I have no qualms about this because it's normal business operandi. Perfectly understandable. The big question is, and you've brought this up, too, is why don't they add a more storage feature in the online store? That's the only thing I don't understand.

somwhat, i thinks its a combination of wont/can't though.

cause even if they wanted to add something, they can't if it isnt in the budget, they have to make a set amoutn of profit so everyone can get paid.

with less money there isnt alot they can do. if they had better revenue they could probably do alot more, i mean they could give everyone endless amounts of storage, but they dont have the money to do so.

but that brings me to GW2. with that they can do so much more, cause they cna have the forsight now to code items in such away that they need less data to be kept track of. they woudlnt do that now cause that would cost so much money to recode and they dont have that money now. which is why material storage was factions only before.

Jongo River · Mar 30, 2007, 06:14 AM // 06:14

Since GW:EN doesn't really need to offer new character slots, I'd really love a storage upgrade instead. At the very least, a key-ring for characters and dye slots in Xunalai, would be a real help.

Oh and why so much flaming in this thread? It's a real issue, whatever people do with their storage space. Just one second armour set, a selection of weapon mods that may come in handy and some holiday collectibles, can eliminate both bags. The belt bag soon fills up with keys (or, in my case, Gwen junk). That just leaves the backpack - several slots likely already gone to alt weapons and kits.

The Last Anthem · Mar 30, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

I've got 11 pves, each with atleast 3 sets of 15k armor. However my assassin has seven sets. W/E, yeah, yeah. I love collecting expensive armor for my characters. Armor is actually what keeps me motivated in this game. Along that the special greens for them. Clearly this has taken up so much storage. I would love to get FOW for my sin, but it's ugly (yet I'd still get it) and I can't because there's no room.

omg lol, I have like the same exact problem as you I'm like addicted to buying armor I have 2 mules holding armor for other chars :/

But no I don't think A-Net will give us more storage..they haven't yet so why now? Maybe they will with GW2 but that would be kinda pointless since we have nothing anyways :\

Guild Wars Idol · Mar 30, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

I've got 11 pves, each with atleast 3 sets of 15k armor. However my assassin has seven sets. W/E, yeah, yeah. I love collecting expensive armor for my characters. Armor is actually what keeps me motivated in this game. Along that the special greens for them. Clearly this has taken up so much storage. I would love to get FOW for my sin, but it's ugly (yet I'd still get it) and I can't because there's no room.

I only get two sets of armor: FOW and Vabbian. Because of how much time and expensive it took me to get it I'm already persuaded to careless for any other sets, even for w/e EON would bring to us. I'm not even sure if EON would be that interesting anyway. A new storage for mini pets, runes and even greens would be nice.

Phantom Flux · Mar 30, 2007, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by The Last Anthem

omg lol, I have like the same exact problem as you I'm like addicted to buying armor I have 2 mules holding armor for other chars :/

But no I don't think A-Net will give us more storage..they haven't yet so why now? Maybe they will with GW2 but that would be kinda pointless since we have nothing anyways :\

Before Nightfall, I'm sure Anet felt they just didn't need to upgrade the storage. Now, they have to if Eye of the North is suppose to be more PVE > PVP oriented. If they don't a lot of players are just going to think what's the point of buying something they got no room for.

Phantom Flux · Mar 30, 2007, 06:28 AM // 06:28

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

2....years....

That's how long they've had to make more storage. That's how long people have been complaining about it. You're telling me that they haven't done it in 2 friggin years because.... they... can't? What?

So much has changed in the game, graphically and mechanically, but they can't add more storage because why? The engine doesn't support it?? How can that make any sense at all? Honestly, I can understand entirely about them not being able to "add a y-axis" or whatever, that's a game engine thing. Fine, perfectly understandable that it would just require wayyy too much of an overhaul. But a bigger storage box?

Allow me to point you to another feature that is a bit limited, and could easily be extended, but it isn't. Maybe you can tell me why it would be so darn complicated to do with their code:

The Party Search Feature. Why is it that limited in the number of characters you can type? Seriously, why? Surely you would agree that just about everyone would like the number of characters to be higher. Would make it a lot more useful. Why has it not been done? Think about it.

Based on this astounding logic I have, I can only conclude that it must have something to do with server load. Plain and simple. Saying it's too hard to program is a nice way of saying the programmers are idiots. At least I'm not politely insulting the programmers.

2 years really isn't a long time. It kinds felt these campaigns came in like a tidal wave. As I just told the person before this post, Anet probably felt they just didn't need to. Wasn't too sure of what to expect.

You got to Kamadan, Lion's Arch, or Kaineng Center with massive amounts of player-venders just making so much gold. What else are they to do with it once they fill up? Of course, buy stuff. Maybe not armor (or maybe so), but something else just to fill their GW void right before going back to make more sales. It gives them something to do, something to keep em from not playing GW.

So if Anet wants to keep that active flow, might as well upgrade that storage. It doesn't have to be unlimited. (although, that would be nice.)

Avarre · Mar 30, 2007, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Multiple posts removed, those participating in pointless bashing will be noted.

Very tempted to just close this anyways.

Mark Nevermiss · Mar 30, 2007, 06:39 AM // 06:39

It is clear GW has a flaw were storage is concerned. This is the first game online or otherwise I have ever played with such pathetic storage.
Forcing players to buy other character slots (which most of us do) is also pathetic. I have 12 character slots already and don't think I will bother to add anymore. Besides the need to switch to every character just to check their inventory and the heroes on each character (like putting shields and offhands on heroes with two-hand weapons) for that item you cant seem to find is doubtlessly stupid.
Noone can tell others how they should or shouldn't play the game (if not doing illegal stuff). If collecting fancy armour is what some people play the game for, who is to say they shouldn't? If some (like me) keep some of those pulsating growths / margonite masks / djinns essences for any occasion they maybe needed to get a collector's item, why should I not be allowed to do so?
Character inventories maybe fine the way they are, but Xunlai storage should be upgraded to something like 10x10, and the 250 cap on crafting material stacks should simply go. If other (primitive) games can do that, GW should not have a problem doing that either.
Have Xunlai agents offer a new upgrade to their customers for the price of say 1p and be done with this already!

Shuuda · Mar 30, 2007, 07:04 AM // 07:04

a few extra rows of storage, even if you have to pay for it, would be nice, but I don't see the point in this thread, sounds like another Phantom Flux Vainety thread *points to the thread he made to show off some of his **** armors*

Corinthian · Mar 30, 2007, 07:08 AM // 07:08

You can't have every armor out there. Pick one or two. Just like in real life. Can't have it all. If you won't play GWEN because your inventory is full, the problem exists between the chair and the keyboard, not Anet.