Curse

Jaythen Tyradel · Jan 17, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

First, let's start out on what this thread is NOT about.

-Not a Petition to get banned (for whatever reason) people back into the game
-Not a thread to say "I was banned, screw ANET, Not getting GW2"

What the intention of this thread is to discuss:
Should previously banned players be given a second chance to start anew in GW2?
If so, why or why not?

Or should banns be retroactive and carry over into GW2?
Again, why or why not?

Personally, I am in favor of giving them a second chance. New game. New start. One could hope that a player would learn from their mistakes.
Also, kinda obvious reason here (at least to me), if a ban is retroactive, the player would need to be informed in some way so that they wouldn't purchase GW2 and find out that they couldn't play. Money wasted and angry players/fanbase and all that.

Drop of Fear · Jan 17, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

banned people can even buy another copy of the game and start playing guild wars from scratch... -actualy multiple people did that-
don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to buy and play guild wars 2. hopefully they learned that if they cheat and get caught they loose everything they achieved.

Racthoh · Jan 17, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Wonder how the hall of monuments will work with the banned people. Will they be able to achieve all of their past achievements despite being banned?

Jaythen Tyradel · Jan 17, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

I am aware that some banned players have started new accounts, but I am under the impression that they still could face a ban if they are found out to be playing again. If this is the case, that is why I pose this thread question.

Drop of Fear · Jan 17, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Wonder how the hall of monuments will work with the banned people. Will they be able to achieve all of their past achievements despite being banned?

^^ ooooh haven't thought abot that. if they link their old account with the new one i hope they're obliged to walk around gw2 with a fancy title under their name saying "banned from guild wars".
most likely their name will still be banned in the database and they have to choose a different one without linking it to the old HoM

End · Jan 17, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

they will have acess the still have acess to gw if they are banned they just have to rebuy it. I'd like to know about the HoM though

Bryant Again · Jan 17, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

They agreed to the EULA for Guild Wars, not Guild Wars 2. They will be able to play it.

It depends on what the banned person had done. If it was something stupid serious that damaged GW servers painfully, then yeah I wouldn't want him in any of my games, either.

pamelf · Jan 17, 2008, 04:04 PM // 16:04

People should ALWAYS be given a second chance. It's just a game, and a brand new one at that. That did not breach the rule of the new game, simply the existing game and as such should not be penalized for it. That would be like someone hacking on Couter Strike and being banned for all Valve games for life. It just doesn't work like that.

Taurucis · Jan 17, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Yeah, I say give them a second chance. But they shouldn't be able to link their banned account to their GW2 account. They got banned, now they have to face the punishment.

zwei2stein · Jan 17, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

banned people can even buy another copy of the game and start playing guild wars from scratch... -actualy multiple people did that-

Actually, its against EULA.

"Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive..." - this can explained that ANY account banned by NC (i.e. if you got banned in Lineage or CoH) makes you ineligible for GW playtime should GMs choose to act on it.

And for all it seems, GW1 EULA can be applied vice versa: If you got banned in GW, you would be eligible to ban in other ncsoft owned titles (they would be acting on GW EULA, not some other one.)

If GW2 EULA will be worded similarly to the one that applies to game atm (no reason why it shouldnt), it seems that GW1 Banee would be eligible to ban in GW2.

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You see, if you got banned in GW1 and wanna play GW2, you still need to take GW1 EULA into concern

enxa · Jan 17, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Im for giving them another chance in gw2, but im against linking the gw1 banned account to the new gw2 account through HoM. If your acount is banned, you shouldnt be able to reap benefits from it (in gw2).

Bryant Again · Jan 17, 2008, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Actually, its against EULA.

"Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive..." - this can explained that ANY account banned by NC (i.e. if you got banned in Lineage or CoH) makes you ineligible for GW playtime should GMs choose to act on it.

And for all it seems, GW1 EULA can be applied vice versa: If you got banned in GW, you would be eligible to ban in other ncsoft owned titles (they would be acting on GW EULA, not some other one.)

If GW2 EULA will be worded similarly to the one that applies to game atm (no reason why it shouldnt), it seems that GW1 Banee would be eligible to ban in GW2.

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You see, if you got banned in GW1 and wanna play GW2, you still need to take GW1 EULA into concern

Oh shit, then nevermind. That's tough, but that's what you get for [email protected] with ANet.

DarkWasp · Jan 17, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Don't worry about the EULA, thats just saying they have the right to ban you, doesnt mean they will.

Just dont exploit/offend people/sell gold/scam/bot in GW 2 and im sure every one of the banned members will be able to return in GW 2.

Its a matter of character, prove that you can change.

Just as money is no reason to kill your spouse, gold is no reason to kill your account.

Steboy93 · Jan 17, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Of course they should be allowed to begin again in gw2, it's a new game.

Shanaeri Rynale · Jan 17, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Wonder how the hall of monuments will work with the banned people. Will they be able to achieve all of their past achievements despite being banned?

I thought of that possibility also, my gut feel says no they wont as it will need an active account to link back in and check the achievements. I'm sure one of the checks will be that the GW2>GW1 database link will make is to check if the account is banned or not(see EULA quotes above).

Personally I don't have an issue with a banned player coming back for GW2, it's a whole new game and maybe they will have learned a lesson from it and be model citizens. However I would say the chances of someone buying GW2 who has been banned is a lot slimmer than one who has not.

willie nelson · Jan 17, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by Jaythen Tyradel

Or should banns be retroactive and carry over into GW2?

The word you're looking for is proactive, not retroactive...

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

"Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive..." - this can explained that ANY account banned by NC (i.e. if you got banned in Lineage or CoH) makes you ineligible for GW playtime should GMs choose to act on it.

No, it can't be explained that way. "Members" refers to Guild Wars members only as this is the Guild Wars EULA you're reffering to.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

They agreed to the EULA for Guild Wars, not Guild Wars 2. They will be able to play it.

Case closed.

Jake_Steel · Jan 17, 2008, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by pamelf

People should ALWAYS be given a second chance. It's just a game, and a brand new one at that. That did not breach the rule of the new game, simply the existing game and as such should not be penalized for it. That would be like someone hacking on Couter Strike and being banned for all Valve games for life. It just doesn't work like that.

Why shouldn't it work that way? If I make an ass of myself at Joe's Diner on 4th street I wouldn't expect for Joe's Diner on 10th Ave to let me in when Joe himself excluded me from his business. 99% of all EULA's and even common sense when applied to business law that " We reserve the right to refuse business to anyone without reservation" can and does apply to internet/game servers.

Dev121 · Jan 17, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Anet wont care, they want money, they have money thats the way the world works im afraid.

Aera Lure · Jan 17, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by Jaythen Tyradel

Should previously banned players be given a second chance to start anew in GW2? If so, why or why not?

Yes. New characters with no inheritance. Its not an IP ban, so they can already do this, and IP bans can be worked around anyway. In fact, if they want, they can start over right now, buying a new account, and begin working on their HoMs again in prep for GW2 if they so desire. Given that, I am not sure I understand the topic, come to think of it, unless you mean names, which will likely remain permanently taken. I think it should remain that way.

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Originally Posted by Jaythen Tyradel

Or should banns be retroactive and carry over into GW2? Again, why or why not?

Like I say, the accounts and therefore the names are permanently banned going forward. There's nothing to stop anyone from starting over now with a new account and play on into GW2. All a ban does is take away that account (which yes, is a lot - doesnt stop playing though).

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Wonder how the hall of monuments will work with the banned people. Will they be able to achieve all of their past achievements despite being banned?

I'm assuming no. I dont see how they could.

Jake_Steel · Jan 17, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

Yes. New characters with no inheritance. Its not an IP ban, so they can already do this, and IP bans can be worked around anyway. In fact, if they want, they can start over right now, buying a new account, and begin working on their HoMs again in prep for GW2 if they so desire. Given that, I am not sure I understand the topic, come to think of it, unless you mean names, which will likely remain permanently taken. I think it should remain that way.

Like I say, the accounts and therefore the names are permanently banned going forward. There's nothing to stop anyone from starting over now with a new account and play on into GW2. All a ban does is take away that account (which yes, is a lot - doesnt stop playing though).

I'm assuming no. I dont see how they could.

They may be ABLE to start new accounts, but Anet's rules say they are not allowed to. I may be able to steal your car and get away with it, however, I am not allowed to. The banning of an account is ALSO the banning of the individual(s) involved by Anet/NCSoft's rules.