Curse

ensoriki · Jan 18, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

LoL at people who say twisted fangs is over used.
If a skill is good and has a legitimate reason for being used a lot its not over used >.>

jagged strike
Orison of Healing
Healing Signet
Troll Unguent

bhavv · Jan 18, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

Ursan just needs removing from the game. Whoever made it needs removing from Anet HQ.

Selket · Jan 18, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Reversal is the most used spell in the game o;

and don't forget GolE

lulz how were these not mentioned?

Sora · Jan 18, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

I don't know, but most people with those overused skills are considered good player.
While people who go their own way are often not good enough, or even bad.

Darkobra · Jan 18, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by trobinson97

Edit: Is it me, or do threads like this pop up to with an ulterior motive (i.e. complain about Ursan)? Lol.

You win a gummy bear! It's still a little "overpowered", though. You know, because every one has them.

Diddy bow · Jan 19, 2008, 01:19 AM // 01:19

Reversal of fortune.

When is that not been on every monks bar? its been a staple skill from day one ^^.

Numa Pompilius · Jan 19, 2008, 02:02 AM // 02:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Ursan just needs removing from the game. Whoever made it needs removing from Anet HQ.

So true. The norn skills are the beginning of the end of GW, because they totally destroy all variety and require no player-skill at all. People defending it are doing so because it is broken, because it allows steamrolling the content in record time, so they don't have to spend more than the absolute minimum time playing the game. Even ANet should see a problem with that line of reasoning.

It would be interesting to have heard the discussions at ANet before these skills were introduced; I know the GW1 team is working with a skeleton crew now, with most of the talent now working on GW2, but it's still hard to imagine that no-one realized that this was a skill which had no drawback, which didn't synergize with other skills, and which became more powerful the more people in the team used it.

So someone in charge must have defended Ursan. That guy needs to be relieved of taking any design decisions ever again. He's clearly not up to the task.

Tyla · Jan 19, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by freaky naughty

It's overused because it's the best not because of noobs.

I'd say it's because of both.
I used to think it's a positive thing for Mesmers, ect...in PvE, but now? Game destroying in the longrun.

bhavv · Jan 19, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

So since WoH is now overused does that get nerfed next? I would rather have LoD reduced back to 1 sec cast and increase the recharge to 8 seconds.

If people like a skill, you dont nerf it to oblivion. Thank god searing flames still works and hasnt been nerfed too hard. Other elites need buffing to same as SF and what LoD used to be, not nerfing. Look at poor healing burst and double dragon

Wish Swiftdeath · Jan 19, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

tbh ROF is overused as well

most people spam it...
rather than look at the situation

trobinson97 · Jan 19, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

So true. The norn skills are the beginning of the end of GW, because they totally destroy all variety and require no player-skill at all. People defending it are doing so because it is broken, because it allows steamrolling the content in record time, so they don't have to spend more than the absolute minimum time playing the game. Even ANet should see a problem with that line of reasoning.

It would be interesting to have heard the discussions at ANet before these skills were introduced; I know the GW1 team is working with a skeleton crew now, with most of the talent now working on GW2, but it's still hard to imagine that no-one realized that this was a skill which had no drawback, which didn't synergize with other skills, and which became more powerful the more people in the team used it.

So someone in charge must have defended Ursan. That guy needs to be relieved of taking any design decisions ever again. He's clearly not up to the task.

Sorry to point this out to you(well, not really), but you are wrong. I don't defend Ursan for any of those reasons you so boldly stated people defend it for. I defend it because it's a PvE ONLY skill that people can choose to/choose not to use when they go play against GW AI in their own instance. I don't have to use it, and I don't have to group with anyone who does. No one can use it against me either, thus I am completely unaffected by it's existence.

Also top it with all that destroying the game in the long term bullshit. It's not destroying anything in the long term. The long term is over. It happened in the past 3 years or so. GW2 is on the way, and GW1 is on the way out. There is no long term.

Maybe you're right though. Maybe Anet should listen to you and relieve whoever defended Ursan. I mean, seeing your impressive track record for making great games with balanced content that enjoyable by and accessible to both the hardcore and casual gamer and all, why shouldn't they listen to you, the proven expert? What were those titles again?

Saphrium · Jan 19, 2008, 04:50 AM // 04:50

Shield of Judgement

Mechz · Jan 19, 2008, 04:55 AM // 04:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

Yeah, that's like UB. You could say it's overused, but all that would mean is "people are using it more than I'd like them to", which is entirely subjective and thus not subject to any kind of definition. It certainly isn't used more than makes sense, because UB really *is* that powerful.

But it is subject to definition, since postulates are fragile and hollow to begin with.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 19, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

It would be interesting to have heard the discussions at ANet before these skills were introduced

ArenaNet Worker 1: Hay guys, what's goin' on?
ArenaNet Worker 2: We're making teh leet skillzorz for GWEN!
Izzy: We need something to keep the PvE scrubs occupied while we nerf everything.
ArenaNet Worker 3: How about a leet skill that replaces their skill bars!
ArenaNet Worker 1: OMG that's so leet!
Izzy: I dunno, that might make them too happy, and remember, the point here is to show them that we care more about PvP than PvE.
ArenaNet Worker 2: It sounds like a good idea to me though...
Izzy: Oh, whatever. *writes down details* Here, how about this?
ArenaNet Workers 1, 2, and 3: OMG those skills are teh win! OMG OMG OMG let's release GWEN now!
Izzy: But it's not done yet...
ArenaNet Workers 1, 2, and 3: We're teh PROPHECIES team! We can release an incomplete, expansion! Not like those damn Factions team, making good products...
Izzy: Fine. Let's add annoying creates to the main port cities.
ArenaNet Worker 1: Sounds good. I'll let the boss know.

On topic: Protective Spirit. Farming, anyone?

chowmein69 · Jan 19, 2008, 05:20 AM // 05:20

ursan's blessing.

prism2525 · Jan 19, 2008, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Everyone's entitled to use skills how often he likes and we have no right to moan about it, Ursan or otherwise. If you think a skill is 'overused', don't use it yourself; it should help bring down the 'overused meter'.

genofreek · Jan 19, 2008, 07:47 AM // 07:47

Firestorm and Mending. They may have their place in the game, but I still cry a bit when I see them, especially on Warriors.

Operative 14 · Jan 19, 2008, 08:40 AM // 08:40

To be honest, I'd have to say no skill is overused becuase the entire point of the game is to find good skills, wisely incoporate them into your skill bar, and effectively create a build out of the skills at your disposal. What I am saying is that if a skill is overused, it's usually becuase it's a good spell, not becuase it is overrated.

In general, I find that most people of certain proffessions usually use builds with specific skills. I.E., MM's using Flesh Golom or Fire Ele's using Savanah Heat. They aren't bad skills, just.... popular.

Granted, a Firestorm wielding Tank sort of misses the mark...

Grasping Darkness · Jan 19, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50

splinter barrage makes me lol
echo ss makes me want to vomit
meteor shower makes me rage

Death By Ketchup · Jan 19, 2008, 09:41 AM // 09:41

Sin:shadow prison
rit: splinter weapon, warmongers weapon
paragon: well i see agressive refrain a lot in pvp
derv: avatar of balthazar, (I have no idea why considering there are so many better elites

)wearying strike
warrior:frenzy
ranger:natural stride, magebane shot, d-shot, savage shot
mesmer:deversion, PD
Monk: prot spirit,WoH
ele:flare, fire storm, metor shower
necro:spiteful spirit, flesh golem,sig of lost souls

Well not that all the skills i listed are bad(some are,but then some are awsome) but I see them on almost every bar, prot spirit is on every bar you see but then you kinda need it to prevent getting insta spiked.