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hnkelau · Jan 22, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

evil,wm,reno,iq and loads of others

the_jos · Jan 22, 2008, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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It's really great to see DVDF mentioned, and yes we've done a bit of most stuff and been the first in a few bits. So thanks for the mention.

From PvE perspective, your alliance is one of the first that pops up in my mind.
I've played with several members (friends of friends/guildies) and I also know that people speak with high regards of the alliance.
For me a PvE guild/alliance could never be the 'best guild in history', since PvE guilds can have very different objectives and be good at that.
PvP.... Don't know a lot about the early days, to be honest.
Some names pop in my mind, others mentioned them already.
But I can't tell which one would be the best

Shanaeri Rynale · Jan 22, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

*blush* thanks again

And Yes I agree with you, PvE guilds have such a wide variety of aims, culture and everything else in between there is no such thing as 'best'

Best is where you are happiest and have the most fun at I guess.

Onto the PvP perspective. It might be fun if we ever had a GvG 'all stars' tournament where the top 5 guilds from each year had a tournament. I know some would be disadvantaged due to time away, but it's a fun idea to think about.

infymys · Jan 22, 2008, 11:52 PM // 23:52

Old school: War Machine, Bring Back the Rifts, Sissy Boys, Last Pride, Esoteric Warriors, Idiot Savants.

New school: Delta Formation, Dark Alley, Rebel Rising, Supernova Japan.

Mr Fizzle · Jan 23, 2008, 12:47 AM // 00:47

I dunno I just can't think of a new school guild that real destroys everyone,after you watch people like WM and EviL play its just not the same.

I D E L E T E D I · Jan 23, 2008, 01:51 AM // 01:51

Hmm funny how no one has mentioned vD in here.

i remember abouta year ago they were holding #1 for a long time and i loved watching their matches and how they always won. Not sure how they played against americans. Or maybe i was jsut too misinformed

Anyway id give Virtual Dragons[vD] my vote

Byron · Jan 23, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

I remember playing against QQ when they were in their prime, and seeing how their play and positioning seemed flawless. Just by virtue of position and pressure, they were practically invulnerable. They were incredibly good.

Old iQ, also, was pretty amazing.

But EvIL just didn't lose, not at all. Even WM lost sometimes. EvIL was definitely the best ever, for a short while untouchable.

Imo, the best around today is DF. Skilled and relentless.

Halfcut · Jan 23, 2008, 05:36 AM // 05:36

If I remeber right a guild called sissy boys was a one of the top guilds as well, I know they beat war machine once, I think they might have beat iQ as well. Anyhow I believe that guild is gone, if im not mistaken.

Yichi · Jan 23, 2008, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Real old school guilds:

Nu, Char, sB, IVEX, Te, ZPZG, eP, iQ, RIFT, Prav, MS

Then:

WM, EvIL, iQ, QQ, KGYU, SPNV, EW, PnH, OUT, Te again, iGi

Now:

rawr, DF, dR, ei, cE, Castration (cant think of tag for the life of me atm), HAND, vD, and a few others i cant think of due to me about to pass out.

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 23, 2008, 09:25 AM // 09:25

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Originally Posted by Byron

I remember playing against QQ when they were in their prime, and seeing how their play and positioning seemed flawless. Just by virtue of position and pressure, they were practically invulnerable. They were incredibly good.

Old iQ, also, was pretty amazing.

But EvIL just didn't lose, not at all. Even WM lost sometimes. EvIL was definitely the best ever, for a short while untouchable.

Imo, the best around today is DF. Skilled and relentless.

QFT. I also can't believe DVDF were mentioned in this thread. /fail

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Originally Posted by xhappy feetx

iQ, QQ, EviL, WM, were all very good, the koreans would have to adapt in todays meta that doesn't favour splits and I would lose all respect for them if they ran sinsplit....

Lol, EvIL and WM would completely stomp this meta. As for sinsplit, I definitely think they would have at least tried it- it's a very strong build.

makosi · Jan 23, 2008, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by Yich

Castration (cant think of tag for the life of me atm),

Was it C A S T R A T I O N [Milk]? For some reason 'milk' pops in to my head.

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

QFT. I also can't believe DVDF were mentioned in this thread. /fail

Why?

I D E L E T E D I · Jan 23, 2008, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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Originally Posted by makosi

Was it C A S T R A T I O N [Milk]? For some reason 'milk' pops in to my head.

Its C A S T R A T I O N[SoaP] do i get a cookie plzzzzzz

Legally · Jan 23, 2008, 05:03 PM // 17:03

My favorite guild was War Machine but i must say that The Last Pride were better.
Just go look Historical Ladders, They got at place 1 four times...
But thats just the ladder but i remember seeing them beating WM :P

Anyways, Best guild: The last Pride [EviL]

Phear Me · Jan 23, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

PvP: WM and EviL, no doubt

PvE: i'd say DVDF before they started to run everything yellowway or ursanway

Shanaeri Rynale · Jan 23, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by Phear Me

PvP: WM and EviL, no doubt

PvE: i'd say DVDF before they started to run everything yellowway or ursanway

Thanks for the mention, but in all honesty Yellow way is run by about 12 people who do it for fun every so often, 20 odd people have used Ursanway in DoA, more than once, out of a total of 480 people(most people killed Mallyx Balanced before Ursan came along for example. Don't mistake builds designed to goof off with and designed to be played with an attitude of pure sillyness once in a while to how things are all the time. It's great to have a place where people are really great players, but not too uptight not to run silly stuff every so often.

Kinda OT, but I refuse to run Ursanway, but i'm not such a control freak as to ban it's use. I just discourage it. The vast majority of players in DVDF run balanced and are pretty darned good, the FoW clear we did in 1hr 1 min was by a pure balanced team for example.

BTW Phear, if I remember rightly a character called Phear me you Foo helped the 12 or so people develop yellow way, was that you?

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Anyway, I still go with WM and EVIL as the top GvG guilds of all time. Their movement, and tactical ability was immense.
HA guilds are difficult to measure, the ones I remember holding for ages and ages were Marvel superheroes, Sissy boys, Power of my rangers and MATHS. Sir covesman also won loads of times, and was always good for a Euro favor win or so.

PyrAnkh · Jan 23, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by xhappy feetx

iQ, QQ, EviL, WM, were all very good, the koreans would have to adapt in todays meta that doesn't favour splits and I would lose all respect for them if they ran sinsplit....

I remember evil running shocksins at one point ^^.

Anyways, best guild: PnH, they have been running in the top for such a long time. Te being a good second.

Nowadays: dR, DF, cE.

Ekelon · Jan 23, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Old: EvlL/WM/iGi
Since Ladder Reset: None. It's been fair game, no guilds have dominated without dropping out of it. The old guilds retired while they were still good, but the new guilds have not actually retired, they played good, then played bad.

Snow Bunny · Jan 23, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Ekelon

Old: EvlL/WM/iGi
Since Ladder Reset: None. It's been fair game, no guilds have dominated without dropping out of it. The old guilds retired while they were still good, but the new guilds have not actually retired, they played good, then played bad.

QFT

Then again, I agree that EvIL would pull that sinsplit BS that I see, and thus I wouldn't have any respect.

Te and PnH though. They were always nice, solid, and consistent.

Blame the Monks · Jan 23, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

My all time top 5:
Evil, WM, iQ, EW, eF

Honorable mentions:
Te, Rift, cow, QQ, MH, IVEX, Sissy Boys, EP, DF, Rawr, Reno, PnH, KGYU, ZPZG, Spnv, and VD.

Those were guilds I thought were at the top of the game and/or legit championship contenders. A lot of my best memories were watching or playing with/against these guys. Other guilds were good too, but these were the ones I feared.

kel77 · Jan 24, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

I'm in the alliance withe eF