Curse

Agriel · Oct 13, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Okay everyone needs to stop complaining about useless little things like "stop my inventory filling up arena net! please!"

There is a much bigger problem: HENCHMEN
Although I like the new skills they have given the EoTN henchmen, their AI behavior is USELESS. They ball up all the time and do not run out of AoE, they tend to wipe to just a couple of eles with deep freeze...bah. Henchmen's AI should be at least as good as the monsters- at least run out of AoE and maybe add a command for spread out? Anyone else noticed this?

«Ripskin · Oct 13, 2007, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Been suggested.

My henchmen always work wonders. I've vanquished with them. Just depends on who you use.

fenix · Oct 13, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Since the update, my heroes/hench have been acting real stupid. Up until now they were good...but now they ignore calls, refuse to res until EVERYTHING is dead, and don't move about much. I think Anet broke something again...

Neo Nugget · Oct 13, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

I have noticed something like that, maybe they're broken maybe they're not....or maybe they're broken

wilebill · Oct 13, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

The hench can work even in hard mode on some maps. I haven't noticed any changes in hench behavior since the update myself.

Here's something you might try. (Look Ma! No monks!)

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10200851 second post is Sab's Necro/Rit builds. If you can do even just the healer N/Rit hero, you can leave both the healer henchies at home. Set the healer N/Rit to avoid combat (it will stay out of trouble usually), and take along an extra spirit such as the Winds spirit from the Vanguard title track. Unless there is a spirit up and in range, Spirit Light will cause health degeneration. The more spirits the better, but Winds is usually enough.

Amazingly enough, this one hero N/Rit can replace both Mhenlo and Lina, because nobody is beating it up and it can spend all of its heals on the party! Mobs target monks. If you don't have any monks, they tend to go after damage dealers, which is what you want!

Take along your choice of another couple heroes and four damage dealing henchies! Zho is always a good choice with Broad Head Arrow. Rest whatever seems like a good idea. Read the skill descriptions for the henchies in Eye of the North on wiki. They all have really good bars.

As for AoE, like with Charr for instance, the only thing that works is to kite around the group you are attacking. Run a quarter circle around them, this usually pulls the hench out of the AoE.

wetsparks · Oct 13, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by fenix

Since the update, my heroes/hench have been acting real stupid. Up until now they were good...but now they ignore calls, refuse to res until EVERYTHING is dead, and don't move about much. I think Anet broke something again...

I was fighting along a month ago and got caught up by some roaming patrols and everyone but Mhenlo died. Unfortunately he wanded the last enemy to death and just stood there for 5 minutes without rezzing anyone else in the party. So they have been stupid for a while now, I had to go and send him to a mob close by so he would die and we would rez at the shrine.

Age · Oct 13, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

I am not having or experiencing to many problems with them and their AI is better than the mobs AI.It might be you the OP and oh me and Henchies don't get along to well.

King Zeth · Oct 13, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

they r okay but i agree they r annoying because u r trying to run past a guy and they go and attack it then a whole group of monsters advance on u! the henchies r okay in strength but dum! and have no commen snse!

Talinna · Dec 05, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by King Zeth

they r okay but i agree they r annoying because u r trying to run past a guy and they go and attack it then a whole group of monsters advance on u!

This is what you have the pretty little 'flag all' flag for... Use it, it works! (and they wont stop to fight because they are programed to go the the flag first) henchies and heros are designed to take the shortest route possible between point A and point B... so some times you need to add a few points inbetween... if you don't like doing that find a guild where you can team up with real people (heaven for bid that people in an MMO team up with other people!)

Vinraith · Dec 05, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Prioritize interrupting AoE spells and they do fine in NM. In HM on the other hand, they're definitely a problem to be worked around. And then there's the areas where you're not even allowed to bring them...

Bryant Again · Dec 05, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

And then there's the areas where you're not even allowed to bring them...

Find a group.

That aside, I really don't experience a whole lot of these problems. If I *do* notice something odd happen with the henchmen, it happens with my heroes, too.

~ Dan ~ · Dec 05, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

I have noticed something like that, maybe they're broken maybe they're not....or maybe they're broken

I think they're broken

Dev121 · Dec 05, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

They need work, look at half life 2's AI in a fully complex world with full human like reactions and such, Mhenlo wont walk out of a fire storm.

Vinraith · Dec 05, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Find a group.

Honestly, haven't we had this conversation enough? I'm not going to group if I don't want to group, I'm not going to shut up as long as solo players don't have access to elite areas, and that's that.

Brianna · Dec 05, 2007, 10:51 PM // 22:51

It's not Artificial Intelligence that they have, It's Artificial Stupidity, been having problems with heroes and hench for months, but sometimes they do really well, like my Ele heroes, monk H/H = Fail.

BohemianKeith · Dec 05, 2007, 11:03 PM // 23:03

I just wish they'd stick to the target i call out so i can move on and interrupt/ spread conditions to others. When i play mesmer it's so aggravating i backfire healer then move onto the next and they follow me and ignore him when they could have easily finished him and we could have controlled two casters....it'd be nice if they didn't stand in the aoe so much ffs...i mean how come some dumb ettin knows to move out of firestorm but my team sits there?

Bryant Again · Dec 05, 2007, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

Honestly, haven't we had this conversation enough? I'm not going to group if I don't want to group, I'm not going to shut up as long as solo players don't have access to elite areas, and that's that.

Then don't play the elite areas. Plenty of other and more satisfying rewards throughout.

Age · Dec 05, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

I would have to say the game is some what broken from some update a few weeks ago when all the henchies.heros and ai stated to sound like Assassins.You will also notice that if you are in your GH that the Port Cities are backwards meaning Kamaden,Temple of Balthazar,Kaineg Centre and Lions Arch.It is not the players the hench and hero ai is some what flawed atm.

I don't know about the rest of you but I am getting tired of hearing Sin type grunts from the AI this includes those on the Nameless Island as well.

Moonlit Azure · Dec 05, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

The healer henches are especially dumb.

I was literally waiting for minutes waiting for my hench to res me. Note all the monsters were gone and she was standing right on me. D:<

Vinraith · Dec 05, 2007, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Then don't play the elite areas.

I don't, obviously. That doesn't mean I have to approve of Anet's decision to deny a significant percentage of the player base access to these areas just because they're trying to emulate the end game areas of some crappy MMO.