Curse

sixofone · Dec 01, 2007, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by bokken

Instead of ignoring the situation and giving us very little in the way of any sort of excuse as to why we cant have 7 heroes why not go in the opposite direction entirely? Make it advantageous to form full groups of live players: increase loot drops and increase the chances of better drops (purple / gold ) in groups of full live players. At least that would encourage some people to want to PUG more often.

Yes!

I hate PUGs because my (limited) expereince with them has been abysmal. Playing with guildies, or PvP, is the main way most people multi-player this game. Otherwise, in PvE, most people hench, or H&H. I H&H because I started with Nightfall. I was introduced to the use of heroes - first 1, then another, then a 3rd (the max). I liked NF, so I bought Factions and was frustrated by not having heroes! Henchmen only sucked, and real people (PUGs) were just nothing but frustration and a waste of time. I wanted to move forward, at my own pace, and unlock skills and uncover more regions, etc. I love creating characters, and try to base my choices on that rather than fitting someone else's skillbar set because that's THE build to use here. Sometimes, I get wiped - my choices don't work. Other times, I do things that work but aren't in wiki - because usually, I haven't advanced far enough in the game to have those skills for a particular build and have to make the best from what I have.

If the incentive is to get players to play with other people, then have the rewards greater the more real people are in a group! That might make PUGs worth joining.

Heroes, I think, were created because people were frustrated with crappy AI henchmen. Henchmen were created to flesh out gaps in a Team for which you couldn't find a human player. The idea was to make real players a better choice than a henchman! But, in reality, sometimes henchmen are more effective than a human player. (Take a Mes, for example. Fun to play - and hard to master! For interrupts, the AI is faster, though it will not use them intelligently. A human chooses better, but is slower.)

7 heroes would be less effective, perhaps, than an 8-man real human team. But, as others have said, getting together with a good group - aside from a guild - takes a lot of time and effort. And even then, you have to play what someone else wants you to play, not what you want to try.

7 heroes would not unbalance the game. (Certainly not as bad as UB has!) If that were a real concern, ANet could certainly adjust the difficulty of the instance - the more Heroes you bring, the harder the region becomes.

Plus, they could make the quests to unlock heroes harder. Make recruiting a Hero more of a reward, like a unique item, or certain skills in Prophecies. You had to quest to get the skill, item, whatever.

I love the suggestion that the Hero be accessable across all characters on an account. I have the same problem of remembering "Now, wait - which Zhed has the 20/20 Adept Fire Staff? What bow does Margrit have for this character?"

And, too, Heroes are a bit like collecting armor: you outfit them to look cool with you! LOL

Isileth · Dec 01, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

Rewarding people for Pugging will not help.

Some people just dont have time to PuG.
They play at odd times.
They go afk often.
Some people just dont want to play with random players.

A lot of people, no matter what, will not join a PuG. If all solo play was removed they would just quit the game. So trying to suggest rewards for pugging over improving the solo system isnt something that would work.

Sleeper Service · Dec 01, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Rewarding players for teaming up together would be a step in the right direction IMO (somone mentioned City of Heroes as an example some time ago), it would however not resolve the basic issues that players have with PUGs but would go a ways to alleviating them.

One thing that would need to be fixed before introducing rewards would be things like Ursan Blessing though. If teaming up ment rewards then all people would do is team up with UB players and such and play (care)Bear.

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48

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In maplestory you get bonus XP rewards for being in a party.

Ok the graphics might not be great, but its a far better MMORPG then GW is (Zomg, it has a market where you can merchant your stuff to other players).

I simply dont find any fun in anything in GW now, especially after dishonour ruined RA.

Also, when you unlock a new hero in GW, you get a message... 'You can now add ....... to your party if it isnt full'. My party isnt full when its only 4/8, why cant I add the hero then?

But can someone please give me a serious reason why we are forced to use henchmen with shit skill bars to fill up the rest of our party? NF has a great mesmer henchmen oh yes (I always use mesmer hench in Factions and sometimes in GWEN where they have ok skills).

In NF we have this: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Odurra

And people wonder why mesmers are so underated in this game lol.

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by Faer

Out of my jurisdiction. I've been asking myself the same question though.

Its becauise we dont have 7 heroes yet and we want them maybe?

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 01:01 PM // 13:01

Yeh, another "OMG, I want a single player Guild Wars game because I lack any in game friends probably because I am such a horrible person that lacks all form of personality and I am better then everyone else, give me my freedoms ANET or I will not buy GW2" thread.

/movingrightalong

BlackSephir · Dec 01, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Rahja is perfect example of why people don't want to PUG- too many retards

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Rahja is perfect example of why people don't want to PUG- too many retards

Yep, I certainly am retarded. Go go person stabs. Your so cool.

Guild Wars is a multiplayer game, learn to be social, even if it is in a gaming environment and not in real life.

BlackSephir · Dec 01, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

AN advertised GW as a game where you can play solo, so shove your little "its multi"
Want to be social? Go out with your friends IRL... if you have any. I play GW because I want to play GW, not train my social skills

Fail less next time

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

Every game ought to be 100% solo play. MMORPG's ruined the RPG genre by forcing us to have to play with others. Playing allongside others is fine, playing with nubs like Rahja however just kills my brain.

I dont need to socialise in my games, I have real friends.

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

AN advertised GW as a game where you can play solo, so shove your little "its multi"
Want to be social? Go out with your friends IRL... if you have any. I play GW because I want to play GW, not train my social skills

Fail less next time

You can play solo, so.... I will have to say, lol...NO.

Hero/Hench. Go right ahead, play solo. Have fun. No 7 Heroes for you though, EVER.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Every game ought to be 100% solo play. MMORPG's ruined the RPG genre by forcing us to have to play with others. Playing allongside others is fine, playing with nubs like Rahja however just kills my brain.

I don't play with people that insult me, and I don't recall playing with you ever. Nor do I recall seeing you post very often here. Thus, you are now being /shovedtotheside. Enjoy your corner.

Oh, and MMORPGs are a new genre, they are not RPGs. Massive MULTIPLAYER ONLINE Role Playing Game. I think you just misunderstood what MMO stood for. You have been corrected.

BlackSephir · Dec 01, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

You can play solo, so.... I will have to say, lol...NO.

Hero/Hench. Go right ahead, play solo. Have fun. No 7 Heroes for you though, EVER.

Yay, progress- from "GW is multi" to "GW is solo but you won't get 7 heroes".
Next stop- from "no 7 heroes for you" to "ok, you can have 11 heroes"

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Yay, progress- from "GW is multi" to "GW is solo but you won't get 7 heroes".
Next stop- from "no 7 heroes for you" to "ok, you can have 11 heroes"

No, you may have 3 heroes, yourself, and 4 henchmen, for a total of 8 players. You may not now, nor ever have 7 heroes, so stop asking. It went from a single thread into a collection of bitchfests. Riverside doesn't like you, it wants to let you know, you make its tummy hurt.

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

You can play solo, so.... I will have to say, lol...NO.
I don't play with people that insult me, and I don't recall playing with you ever. Nor do I recall seeing you post very often here.

1) I dont play with idiots like you anyway

2) Because i am better at the game then you, and everyone else that actually 'needs' to pug for whatever reason.

3) I dont see you post around here often, so ummmm, you suck too. Ok. bye, GTFO of this thread troll.

And to enlighten you as to who I am, heres a nice picture for you.

Shot at 2007-09-18

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Heres a definition for multiplayer for the troll:

A multiplayer game is a video game in which more than one person can play the same game at the same time. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplayer_game

It says 'can' play. It doesnt say 'forced' to play with others.

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Oh, and I do find some other nice pro players like myself to play with, but its too hard looking for them everytime I want to vanquish:

<--- this was a player stuck on Eternal Grove for a long time, I teamed up with her and cleared it first time around.

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

1) I dont play with idiots like you anyway

2) Because i am better at the game then you, and everyone else that actually 'needs' to pug for whatever reason.

3) I dont see you post around here often, so ummmm, you suck too. Ok. bye, GTFO of this thread troll.

And to enlighten you as to who I am, heres a nice picture for you.

Shot at 2007-09-18

and, you just epic failed... lololol. I am not going to get into a popularity game with you, haha. that is awesome man, GJ on your titles, obviously you are seeking attention.

Thing is, I am not selfish and I possess a great community spirit (up to a point)

Rather then post titles I have (I would love to as well, but I am banned for....another...oh....3xx hours, so meh.

I don't PUG very often by the way, just when someone needs some help. I have a guild of great friends I play with, who are treated as equals. So scrooge, I advise you /shoo.

For more info, see the following:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ascal...asquerade_Ball
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Oktoberfest
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10144641
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10198318
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10078234
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10037943
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10037508

So, in the spirit of kindness, I suggest you not call me an idiot. Thanks.

Oh, and last I checked, having the ability to use only 3 heroes didn't alter the programming so you can't use Henchmen. So, your not forced to do anything, including play the game.
Keep check on the triple posting, there is an edit feature.

bhavv · Dec 01, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57

The more you post, the more of an Idiot you appear to be. And you are banned because? Your an idiot maybe? You just make yourself look worse and worse, and obviously sound like, as mad king thorn would say, an oxymoron.

Neriandal Freit · Dec 01, 2007, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Bhavv,

You aren't a pro. Pro's do not bash others.

Rahja posts here all the time, please look at his title under his name.

Pro's do not show off like you are doing.

Pro's understand what they are, you do not.

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Back to topic now folks..

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

The more you post, the more of an Idiot you appear to be. And you are banned because? Your an idiot maybe? You just make yourself look worse and worse, and obviously sound like, as mad king thorn would say, an oxymoron.

Open the links bud, all I have to say. Cheers to your foul attitude. Have a cookie.