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MithranArkanere · Jan 28, 2008, 12:44 PM // 12:44

See that by yourselves.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_...elated_subject

Disrupting Stab may last 10 second less, but you will be able to also daze, remove enchantmets, stances.

And the interrupts are faster and can't be dodged.

zknifeh · Jan 28, 2008, 01:09 PM // 13:09

Wammo with a bow > any interupters!

Faer · Jan 28, 2008, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Gambit Shinobi

Sins > Rangers

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Originally Posted by scare83

No Ranger>Sins

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Distracting Shot.

Blinding Surge / Guardian > Your Faces.

Dumb argument. Dumb thread.

bhavv · Jan 28, 2008, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

sticky please

epic thread

+1 post count

bad build

Agree.

+1 post.

If you want to play sin, golden fox strike > wild strike > nine tail strike with a conjure and flashing blades will pwn all, including dumb rangers.

Cargan · Jan 28, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

from a PvE perspective, R/A is my choice for interrupts.

When using a dagger build:
BHA & dagger attack chain (after weapon switch), even with vanguard assassin or pet for good measures. It's pretty much guaranteed to stop any casting at all.

When using a bow build (16 expertise):
Savage Shot, Distracting Shot, Punishing Shot, Concussion Shot, Point Blank Shot & Zojun's Shot, "I am the Strongest". Catches all but the fastest of casting.

Relying on criticals just isn't the greatest idea as it's leaving too much to chance.

Snow Bunny · Jan 28, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Gambit Shinobi

Sins > Rangers

That's right, I said it.

D-shot -> Sins

Tab · Jan 28, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Herd being able to time your interrupts to actually hit stuff is gud. Also herd 20 sec disable is gud.
c/d?

Cure For Road Rage · Jan 28, 2008, 08:01 PM // 20:01

k, but what if i replace quick shot with punishing shot? punishing shot in addition to critical interrupt, i mean. cept with short bow instead of recurve.

John Panda · Jan 28, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

a ranger can do it better, no doubt.

rangers are made for interupts, assassins are made for 123 killing P;

System_Crush · Jan 29, 2008, 10:19 AM // 10:19

[skill=text]Way of the Assassin[/skill] + [wiki]Way of the Master[/wiki] + [skill=text]Critical Eye[/skill] + 16 Critical strikes = 104% crit chance + the bonus from 12 marksman is a guaranteed is enough interrupt chance to make this useful even on lvl 26+ enemies that have crit reduction when being hit by lower level creatures.

However, [skill=text]Needling Shot[/skill] does not receive increased damage from a critical hit.
A ranger interrupter with [skill=text]Incendiary Arrows[/skill] gets bonus damage from burning and can bring many more damaging skills.

However to maintain IA you must use the preparation more often(and use [skill=text]Serpent's Quickness[/skill] to make it recharge in time) opposed to the sin who only has to recast for 2.25 seconds every 24 seconds.

So its:
A few seconds longer maintained spam, vulnerable to crit denial skills.
VS.
A much more damaging spam, with more optional skill slots, which has a (much) harder time to maintain the interupting.

To me the ranger looks the winner and in the optional slots you also get to add other ranger interrupt skills like Dshot which are also really useful.
(I take [skill=text]Choking gas[/skill] in case IA is recharging)

1 thing though, it's a lot easier to maintain [wiki]Critical Agility[/wiki] than the waiting time for starting [skill=text]Flail[/skill] and also cheaper than the energy cost from [skill=text]Flurry[/skill].

Snow Bunny · Jan 29, 2008, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by System_Crush

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Or you could not suck at the game and Savage Shot/Magebane/Dshot stuff when it's cast?

Marverick · Jan 29, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by System_Crush

[skill=text]Way of the Assassin[/skill] + [wiki]Way of the Master[/wiki] + [skill=text]Critical Eye[/skill] + 16 Critical strikes = 104% crit chance + the bonus from 12 marksman is a guaranteed is enough interrupt chance to make this useful even on lvl 26+ enemies that have crit reduction when being hit by lower level creatures.

However, [skill=text]Needling Shot[/skill] does not receive increased damage from a critical hit.
A ranger interrupter with [skill=text]Incendiary Arrows[/skill] gets bonus damage from burning and can bring many more damaging skills.

However to maintain IA you must use the preparation more often(and use [skill=text]Serpent's Quickness[/skill] to make it recharge in time) opposed to the sin who only has to recast for 2.25 seconds every 24 seconds.

So its:
A few seconds longer maintained spam, vulnerable to crit denial skills.
VS.
A much more damaging spam, with more optional skill slots, which has a (much) harder time to maintain the interupting.

To me the ranger looks the winner and in the optional slots you also get to add other ranger interrupt skills like Dshot which are also really useful.
(I take [skill=text]Choking gas[/skill] in case IA is recharging)

1 thing though, it's a lot easier to maintain [wiki]Critical Agility[/wiki] than the waiting time for starting [skill=text]Flail[/skill] and also cheaper than the energy cost from [skill=text]Flurry[/skill].

Critical Probability does not stack additively.

It's actually 37% + 22.05% + 6.552% + 5.50368% + 4.9120344% = 76.0177144%

Which is pretty abysmal for interrupting purposes when Magebane Shot is a 100% 10s disable and D-shot is a 100% 20s disable when target isn't blocking.

Incendiary Arrows and other on-attack interrupts are really useless because the target will just time their spells between your attacks. It's like all those Rangers who just spam Magebane, D-shot, and S-shot on recharge in RA: cast your spells after they waste their interrupts; they can't interrupt you then due to aftercast.

Amy Awien · Jan 29, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

See that by yourselves.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_...elated_subject

Disrupting Stab may last 10 second less, but you will be able to also daze, remove enchantmets, stances.

And the interrupts are faster and can't be dodged.

I am no sin, but Disrupting Stab, Exhausting Assault, Temple Strike seem to be part of the attack chain and thus can't be used at will. Disrupting Dagger looks fine, not expensive at 5e, though the 10 sec recharge is a bit long. A sin with Beguiling Haze looks like it could be a caster's nightmare.

But I think the OP was referring to interrupting on critical hits.

Coloneh · Jan 30, 2008, 01:54 AM // 01:54

rangers have 5 options:
CG
Magebane
Punishing
BHA
any normal build with distracting/disrupting

sins have:
disrupting accuracy ( which is inferior to all the ranger options)

rangers win this one.

System_Crush · Jan 30, 2008, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Or you could not suck at the game and Savage Shot/Magebane/Dshot stuff when it's cast?

I do D-Shot stuff when it cast's, but the OP asked for critical accuracy sin VS ranger and D-shot != [skill=text]Disrupting Accuracy[/skill] IA and choking preforms that function better.

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Critical Probability does not stack additively.

It's actually 37% + 22.05% + 6.552% + 5.50368% + 4.9120344% = 76.0177144%

It doesn't? RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO!!
Well tanks, I guess you learn somethign new everyday.

[EDIT]
Tested and confirmed, how did I not notice that? I've use a crit disrupter for long time, before I started a ranger again.
And why does it work that way... AO, DS, SWG and TR I know to have cumulative crit chances, it's a billion times easier to calculate how much crit chance you actually have, that way.

scare83 · Jan 30, 2008, 10:28 AM // 10:28

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Rangers do not remove enchantments, nor stances.
Assassins can deal unblockable hits that remove stances and enchantments, then add dazing to prevent them coming back again.

For example assas uses critical defense, ranger uses natural stride and escape,then critical defense will finish

good ranger always > good assas

Scary Raebbit · Jan 30, 2008, 10:31 AM // 10:31

Ranger can survive a lot more skirmishes than a sin.
Also, Apply being interrupted isn't as bad as Disrupting Accuracy being interrupted.
Also, Mending Touch and Natural Stride. And disable.

Tyla · Jan 31, 2008, 01:14 AM // 01:14

This thread is stupid.
Rangers, hands down...

N E D M · Feb 02, 2008, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by Iotan

So I hear Dwarven Battle Stance interrupts with every attack! This probably makes a hammer warrior better than a ranger, amirite?

You sir, are correct.

yum · Feb 06, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Tis izz so epic.

Interupt = BHA, Choking gas, Disr acc, inc arrow....

Just wow.