Curse

zwei2stein · Feb 09, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Please speak only for yourself.

Kinda ditto.

Pigs were basically perfect gifts: Cheap enough not to feel bad about giving them freely. Cute enough to be aprreciated. Unsual enough to startle casuall players.

Seriously, players were not giving them away because they were worthless ... Otherwise you would see tons of people givign away all matter of crappy drops.

Type of people who proclaimed minipig worthless usually just bin/merch/mule worthless things. Not "waste" time giving stuff away.

Only selfish thing about giving pigs away was that it made givers feel good. People like feeling good, so you cant really blame them.

Lord Sojar · Feb 09, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

If Anet is honestly corrupt Numa, nothing said here will change that.
They'll just cover their tracks better. So it's best to quit playing if you think the people who make this game are bastards.

And tyla salanari, I think Rahja is fooling himself. We didn't give away our mini pigs last year because we were saints. We gave them away because nobody would buy them and it was a waste to either trash them or take up space. There was no divine incentive in giving something worthless away.
Now they can be traded for a shinier version and people are pissed that they missed out on a shiny as a result. It's that simple and that trivial.

Well, I gave them away because I am nice. I could have sold the 20 or something for 1k each. That is 20k+ I could have had, but chose not to because some people missed the festival, etc.

So I don't think I am fooling myself. I am irked that ANET did this.

ElinoraNeSangre · Feb 09, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Please speak only for yourself.

Ditto; I had plenty of room to keep the pigs. I just was much more interested in giving people something to smile about. And that makes me feel good. A lot more good than a celestial pig would make me feel.

Rain Over Pebbles · Feb 09, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Hey - Just randomly jumping in here because I felt strongly about the issue and wanted to give feedback (at the risk of making A-net bashing worse, which I don't condone at all, as they've provided us with an excellent game that has connected me with alot of great friends.)

My girlfriend and I run a guild, and between the two of us after last year's event, we had about 20-25 minipigs between the two of us (possibly a bit of an exaggeration, not positive, but not too much of one). We gave those pigs away to guild members who didn't attend the event, new players that I met who were looking for a helping hand, anyone else who was unable to get a minipet or otherwise would like one. We were thrilled to be in a position where we could do that, as alot of people were excited to be able to get them.

My girlfriend is a huge minipet freak, and wants a celestial pig. Sadly, we do not have enough pigs left to get even one at this point... we're going to try to go out and buy a few, probably at inflated prices (although hopefully not), which is aggravating due to our good intentions. (Had we known, we would have saved 5-6, and then given the excess away.)

Obviously, this isn't the end of the world. We both still love Guild Wars for the great game it is and for the friends that we've made here. I suppose I haven't said much that anyone else hasn't said already, but I feel better getting my opinion out here, as I know the staff reads the forum.

I'm not sure what the reasoning was behind this, but I do hope that future events don't use a similar model. We don't regret giving the pigs away, but we do regret that this is the reason we're going to have difficulty getting the celestial one.

Rain

Vilaptca · Feb 09, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

And tyla salanari, I think Rahja is fooling himself. We didn't give away our mini pigs last year because we were saints. We gave them away because nobody would buy them and it was a waste to either trash them or take up space. There was no divine incentive in giving something worthless away.
Now they can be traded for a shinier version and people are pissed that they missed out on a shiny as a result. It's that simple and that trivial.

And because of that, if I had received 12 mini bone dragons, I would have done the same thing. People like you are so determined to call us greedy, the only thing I was being greedy about was space. I needed space for my characters. They really expected me to have saved 5 mini pigs?

I'd say the biggest issue behind this is storage. Until recently storage has completely sucked. Yet these seemingly worthless items, have been taking up space in my storage, storage space that I needed for more important things, we were expected to keep them for a year...it is BS. Even people who collected minis would not have saved more than one pig at the time.

One year ago from now, there was no reason at all to have saved these. You had to save items that were essential. My storage was filled with weapons and armor. Things that were necessary to play the game. Yeah sure, I didn't need to have multiple armor sets or weapon sets, but it does allow you to do things differently in the game. To me those pigs were wasting the storage space I needed to play the game.

I wouldn't have kept 5 bone dragons at the time. I wouldn't have kept 5 ruriks at the time. I wouldn't have kept 5 pigs at the time.

Clone · Feb 09, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Lilanthe

Gaile's analogy is wrong, you can't compare minipigs which had absolutely no use at the time, with cash which you can buy anything and everything.

A correct analogy would be.

I participated to a special one-time weekend in a year rock show, everybody got free (identical) t-shirt of the event, but the show staff had too much t-shirts still, so they threw boxes of these t-shirts amongst the audience.

Alot of people arrived on Monday, and they were like, crap we missed the show, damn... and wow, these t-shirts look so cool.

Some of the most fortunate ones that had multiple t-shirts said "Bah, I don't really need more than one, else it would be just a waste of space in my closet, I mean, a dozen of the same t-shirt ? And it will make these guys happy. Here guys, take my surplus."

The next year, the show is back, but this time, the announcer says: "Last year we gave too many t-shirts, so those of you who still have at least five of them, you can exchange it for a special signed t-shirt of the entire rock band. You cannot buy these t-shirt guys, only those who have five t-shirts from last year !"

Great analogy. I've always found Gaile's explanations a little far fetched. I suppose she is paid to do damage control. If only she realized a simple, "Yeah, this probably wasn't the best idea... sorry." instead of trying to write them off would work a lot better. Trying to paint people who gave away minis as somehow being the bad guys isn't going to go over well.

Meo Yeong · Feb 09, 2008, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Ok, now this makes me angry...

ANET gave away tons of mini pigs. Some of us were really nice and gave away our mini pigs to those that didn't have any. Now there is a collector for them, and those that gave away their mini pigs to others that were not at the event or who had losing districts are here without mini pigs because we were kind. All those people we gave them to are selling them for...get this... 100k! 100K! WTF? Nice people finish last. Not only do we lose out on any money (which is fine, that was why we gave them away), but now we can't get the new mini using the pig. I call BS on this one, big stinky piles of BS.

yep know how you feel, I gave 10+ away of the pigs for free to people that where not on or just new players that didnt have any pets.

Now if I want a celestial pig going to cost me 100k, like wtf anet.

442 fortunes later = no rat too

lately i feel anet has just been laughing at us players

xmas was a big f you too with that polar bear

Redfeather1975 · Feb 09, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Vilaptca, it wasn't an attempt to say that those of us who gave mini pigs away were greedy.
It was an attempt to put things into perspective.
We don't have the right to stand on such a high horse for giving those things away.
We weren't giving away something useful to us. I understand being pissed about it eventually leading to not getting a shiny object, but honestly if we knew they would lead to this there would be no giving them away because they were actually worth something.
It's like giving away an old toy you don't use or want and then finding out on ebay next year it's become a collector's item.

Numa Pompilius · Feb 09, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Anet helped some of their buddies free up storage space and become millionaires in the process;
I didn't get a minipig;
and now I've gone through my 250th fortune without any rat.

Now I'm waiting with baited breath to see how ANet will screw me with the finale, what disastrous surprise they're waiting to spring on me there?

Yeah. Just peachy.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO I hate surprises.

Shuuda · Feb 09, 2008, 11:17 PM // 23:17

I still stand by my original stance of "your all overreacting", plus I got a feeling all of this will merely repeat itself, overhyped mini pets that become total trash after 1 day, a most comical and ironic thing to watch, is it not?

CougarTheTall · Feb 09, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

33 pages of people bitching about this, the incredibly - up logic behind the whole thing, and the lack of preparedness that they unleash upon their community, and not a single reply from ANET that I've seen yet.

It's like they are saying, "Thanks for buying our game! Here, have a - up economy, some nerfed skills, a search button from which you can spend all the money you have earned over the last 2 years on over-inflated mini pets, and when your done with all that, don't ever expect us to say anything about anything so get lost."

This goes beyond complaining or whining. This is a downright insult to the community on behalf of ANET. This by far ranks as the most illogical thing I have ever seen a dev community do, and I used to play BF2 so thats saying something. The sad thing is, I don't EVEN want the nasty little shit of a pet, I'm just completely dumbfounded and astonished at the sheer magnitude of this proverbial community "-" you by ANET.

DO NOT EVADE THE SWEAR FILTER

Redfeather1975 · Feb 10, 2008, 01:10 AM // 01:10

Nothing has been taken away from anyone. Some free eye candy in a video game was offered in a way that not everyone will get some.
Some people here are coming across as emotionally fragile.

lyra_song · Feb 10, 2008, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

Nothing has been taken away from anyone. Some free eye candy in a video game was offered in a way that not everyone will get some.
Some people here are coming across as emotionally fragile.

Well the way I see it, this is a new holiday item to reward players who own the older holiday item.

However, even if you were at the event last year, that doesn't necessarily mean you have enough pigs to get the new celestial pig.

Its only a reward for players who have A LOT of pigs.

And since theres no way to get pigs outside of buying from other players, player greed becomes a MAJOR factor.

So it basically benefits the greediest players who hoard the most. And they control the market.

Casual players have very little chance at this. With Celestial Rats, i can get lunar fortunes on my own.

I'm willing to play by Anet's random item rules, and have rare items through their methods of chance (birthday presents, rare drops, etc.), but when its other players who are motivated by greed who control how I get something, I get annoyed.

Redfeather1975 · Feb 10, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

It's still eye candy with a function no different than all the other mini pets.
I think if people put too much stock into a mere symbol in a video game they are setting themselves up for all kinds of repeated disappointment.
This topic feels more reflective of fragile expectations than the game itself.

lyra_song · Feb 10, 2008, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

It's still eye candy with a function no different than all the other mini pets.
I think if people put too much stock into a mere symbol in a video game they are setting themselves up for all kinds of disappointment. This topic is more reflective of fragile expectations in a video game than the game itself.

If I have fun doing something, such as collecting minis, drawing, tap-dancing, eating sushi, or something else and someone comes along and ruins my fun, I think I'd be pretty pissed.

Do you understand the concept?

Redfeather1975 · Feb 10, 2008, 01:39 AM // 01:39

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

If I have fun doing something, such as collecting minis, drawing, tap-dancing, eating sushi, or something else and someone comes along and ruins my fun, I think I'd be pretty pissed.

Do you understand the concept?

I understand the reason why people are pissed. I'm saying it's not justifiable.
Nobody came along and took your minis.
A mini was added in a way that will make it rare.
Just add it to the pile of other rare minis.
Anyone who seriously had to have every mini to be happy already knows how expensive that is.

lyra_song · Feb 10, 2008, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

I understand the reason why people are pissed. I'm saying it's not justifiable.
Nobody came along and took your minis.
A mini was added in a way that will make it rare.
Just add it to the pile of other rare minis.
Anyone who seriously had to have every mini to be happy already knows how expensive that is.

The other rare minis are still available without relying on other people to dictate how things are.

They are directly from Anet's contests, promotions, special editions, etc. (for the most part).

This is different. Do you see that?

Turtle222 · Feb 10, 2008, 01:56 AM // 01:56

Am i missing something here? people are willing to go on strike outside Anet's HQ because of a minipet?

Gli · Feb 10, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

No, you just made that up, silly.

Redfeather1975 · Feb 10, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

The other rare minis are still available without relying on other people to dictate how things are.

They are directly from Anet's contests, promotions, special editions, etc. (for the most part).

This is different. Do you see that?

I have said in the past I see why people are upset, but I think it's unjustifiably melodramatic. Do you honestly think the intensity of the feelings in this thread are displaying rational behaviour?
If so, then I honestly can't prove how trivial this all is.