Curse

Snow Bunny · Feb 09, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by Lady Yuna

So as letting these players selling them for 100k+??? The newer pig doesn't well match the "polar bear description" if you get what I mean here.

Most people aren't purchasing for 100k.

I've purchased for 10k myself

Gun Pierson · Feb 09, 2008, 02:26 AM // 02:26

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Originally Posted by Savio

The problem is that people absolutely hated the minipig and other common minipets because they are so common and worthless. People like minipets that aren't so common and worthless, but hate them when they don't have them.

People want minipets, but they don't want others to have them. The solution? There isn't one. People will complain no matter what happens.

I get what you're saying and there's truth in it, especially with rare minis imo. I'm happy though the cheap ones filled up my monument. Less wealthy players are also happy to get a few common minis I think.

Savio · Feb 09, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Warn players right off the bat that mini pigs may be made worth a lot in the future due to direct intervention by the devs. This way, those who gave away or trash canned their mini pigs wouldn't feel (and rightly so!) screwed over by this action.

That would just result in no one giving minipets away, because people aren't giving pigs away solely out of the kindness of their hearts. Besides, if we could go back in time like that, why not just go back and not give out a crapload of pigs?

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Another solution could have been: make mini pigs obtainable this year too, but harder to get than they were last year.

Then the Celestial Pig becomes common and nobody wants them. Well okay, a few would, the rest would complain about having a common mini.

Just to put it in, I wouldn't have implemented a Celestial Pig at all. It really didn't need to be fixed. That or I wouldn't have tied it to the original Pigs.

Gli · Feb 09, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Refute my point with sound economic explanation instead of dismissing it with your usual bullshit.

The change aids poorer players with minipigs they had purchased for the sake of having them, as well as from the charity of players like Rahja and myself.

If I must.

A) People with low funds have no reason at all to stock multiples of any minipet, not even cheap ones, because it serves no purpose to own more than a single one on an account. I find it much more likely that the only people who have stashes of mini pigs have them because it's their habit to keep stashes of things, i.e. the packrats.

B) Your assumption about who actually has these stashes of mini pets is just that: an assumtion. Not only is that an assumption, it's an assumption based upon an argument that holds no water.

C) Having established that you have no clue at all as to who actually owns stashes of mini pigs, it follows that we can't conclude that this change aids poorer players. Moreover, I won't even grant you that aiding poorer players is a good idea to begin with.

Numa Pompilius · Feb 09, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by Savio

What do you mean I know it all? You're the one that can explain Arenanet's actions, and with clear, sound reasoning behind them too.

Yes, I could. So why did you disagree?

Gaile openly states they intervened to increase the price of the Minipig. Why would ArenaNet do that?

I can't see any reason why arenanet would care about the minipig being cheap when traded between players. Can you?

I can see that someone with a lot of minipigs would care, though.

Someone convinced ArenaNet the low price of minipigs was a problem which needed fixing, and I bet that person or persons made millions by getting ArenaNet to fix the price of minipigs for them.

Snow Bunny · Feb 09, 2008, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by Gli

If I must.

A) People with low funds have no reason at all to stock multiples of any minipet, not even cheap ones, because it serves no purpose to own more than a single one on an account. I find it much more likely that the only people who have stashes of mini pigs have them because it's their habit to keep stashes of things, i.e. the packrats.

B) Your assumption about who actually has these stashes of mini pets is just that: an assumtion. Not only is that an assumption, it's an assumption based upon an argument that holds no water.

C) Having established that you have no clue at all as to who actually owns stashes of mini pigs, it follows that we can't conclude that this change aids poorer players. Moreover, I won't even grant you that aiding poorer players is a good idea to begin with.

Then who else the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO has hordes of minipigs?

You're just as bad as the rest of them.

Feathermoore Rep · Feb 09, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

They don't truely care about the mini pigs pricing. Last year the changed the finale to include mini pigs for everyone because the mini pigs were selling for like 50k+ because they had too low of a drop rate from the fortunes, so they left the fortune drop rate alone and just gave them out at the end of the festival. To counter the massive amounts of pigs generated from the finales, they decided to allow several pigs to be traded in for a new upgraded pig.

Like i said earlier. The fact that the collector needs 5 pigs and says he gave to many out, pretty much proves this. Anet didn't intend for the mini pig to be extremely rare, but they didnt intend for it to be worse than the whiptail devourer, as evidence by the fact its a gold mini pet.

No can QQ about 'Oh i gave mine away because people didn't get them so i was being nice and now im not being rewarded.' Lets all face it, you gave them away because you thought they were worthless. I know because I heard people talk about them before the event is even over. In all chat i remember seeing people giving away mini pigs, and people going, 'awww man i have like 8 mini pigs in my inv uselesss'. No one could have forseen a collector trading for the extra pigs, so just get over it. If they wouldn't have made everyone and his mother have like 5 mini pigs, there would have only been a couple thousand in the game, and they would have been like 50k or something.

The boost and economical effect on the market by the mini pig trader on both mini pigs and mini celestials pigs, is just a fix to the original prices ANet wanted the minis to be worth.

JeniM · Feb 09, 2008, 03:34 AM // 03:34

Still feel like this is yet another sleezey stab in the back from Anet and i doubt it will be the last hence my cancelation on my preorder of GW2

Spazzer · Feb 09, 2008, 03:36 AM // 03:36

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Savio: Gimme a break. ANet suddenly, after a year of not caring, decides to intervene to raise the price of the most common and worthless mini in the game. Since you know it all, you tell me why.

The Gold Farming Companies need to start the Chinese New Year on a positive note.

Redfeather1975 · Feb 09, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

When I see people bashing Anet over this it pisses me off so much.
You bought the game and had fun playing what you bought or else you wouldn't have played it this long.
Expecting all this extra stuff to thrill you to continue to play is so naive.
The devs don't sit around and think how do we constantly please the people who bought this game months ago and refuse to try other games? How do we constantly keep people with no life from threatening to never buy GW games again?! So stupid.

Zesbeer · Feb 09, 2008, 04:23 AM // 04:23

the bottom line is how this was carried out was wrong.

Zinger314 · Feb 09, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29

It appears that I have been out-Downered.

Jedimagician · Feb 09, 2008, 04:29 AM // 04:29

next year itll be 5 celestial pigs for an extra celestial pig -_-

Numa Pompilius · Feb 09, 2008, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Then who else the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO has hordes of minipigs?

Why would poor players have hordes of minipigs? Poor players would likely have sold off the surplus, as 1K is real money to them.
IMO the people with hordes of minipigs are people with multiple accounts and/or numerous mules - guys with lots of storage space and for whom 1-2K/ea isn't enough money to sell.

Lorden · Feb 09, 2008, 04:32 AM // 04:32

but i understand the reason for getting rid of all the pets, server over-load can be annoying...but...

A-Net, do u think i can get that cat as a mini-pet instead? (possibly one that glows)

Lord Sojar · Feb 09, 2008, 04:40 AM // 04:40

apparently some people just don't get it. my pc exploded, so I am typing on my ps3. in short, anet rewarded greedy people. that's injustice. have a lovely evening.

elk00k · Feb 09, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

apparently some people just don't get it. my pc exploded, so I am typing on my ps3. in short, anet rewarded greedy people. that's injustice. have a lovely evening.

You pegged it Rahja. Whether or not ANET actually meant to reward the greedy, that is exactly what has happened. They were greedy to horde all of those mini pigs, and now they are greedy again - milking them for as much as they can get. I'm not QQ about that. People are greedy. Hey, I'm no saint, either ... but ...

What I am QQ about is that they are also punishing the generous. I gave away 5 mini pigs last year. I never sold one. Consequently, I am 3 pigs short for the trade. What's that? Sell the two I have left at inflated rates? No, I'll keep them and give them to some guildie who comes along without a mini.

Vilaptca · Feb 09, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

This isn't about greed.

It's about a poorly implemented reward system for participating in last years event.

Considering storage space at the time, mini pets being COMPLETELY useless, and how easy they were to come by, I just can't imagine anyone keeping more than one. So why does ANet think we were hoarding these?

All I'd like is some official response as to why they implemented this the way they did.

Kusandaa · Feb 09, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by elk00k

You pegged it Rahja. Whether or not ANET actually meant to reward the greedy, that is exactly what has happened. They were greedy to horde all of those mini pigs, and now they are greedy again - milking them for as much as they can get. I'm not QQ about that. People are greedy. Hey, I'm no saint, either ... but ...

What I am QQ about is that they are also punishing the generous. I gave away 5 mini pigs last year. I never sold one. Consequently, I am 3 pigs short for the trade. What's that? Sell the two I have left at inflated rates? No, I'll keep them and give them to some guildie who comes along without a mini.

Same, 3 pigs away form the celestial, gave like 1 or 2 away for friends who couldn't attend. Can't sell at fair prices, can't buy at fair prices either (when people buy at 10k and others sell at 40k, and no one wants more or less depending if they're buying or selling, can't even make a middle with it!). So I just gave up and resumed my daily stuff.

Just weird that, all of a sudden, they think there's "too many" out there. I think a lot of people got screwed as well; the ones who gave them away from generosity and now who'd like to get the new one, and having to spend a lot of cash on those... I had no intention of reselling the mini celestial pig. I wanted one to collect, but eh... I'll just do something else during the weekend.

Sucks in general though.

wetsparks · Feb 09, 2008, 06:28 AM // 06:28

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Originally Posted by Vilaptca

This isn't about greed.

It's about a poorly implemented reward system for participating in last years event.

Considering storage space at the time, mini pets being COMPLETELY useless, and how easy they were to come by, I just can't imagine anyone keeping more than one. So why does ANet think we were hoarding these?

All I'd like is some official response as to why they implemented this the way they did.

I have more than one because I wanted mini pets on all my characters and they were the cheapest to get (and I also am probably one of the few that likes the mini pig).