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Taki · Feb 19, 2008, 02:30 PM // 14:30

I believe level difference is a variable in damage calculation. So with a higher or infinite level cap in GW2 do you think it should be that way?
Should a lvl 40 have an advantage over a lvl 20, with all gear/skills equal, since he put in more time? Obviously the higher level player is more devoted, more loyal, and more talented so why would he not deserve to have some special means to show or make use of these facts? Why shouldn't he be able to lord over noobs who aren't even anywhere near his level. I mean they're noobs ffs!!! They deserve to be dominated!!! Eventually they can level up and pwn low lvl nubs too so what's the problem??

Veripare · Feb 19, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Or the higher character is a power gamer and rushed through the game or purchases Powerleveling from a third-party.

On topic; riverside isn't a suggestion forum..

I pwnd U · Feb 19, 2008, 02:36 PM // 14:36

You should be able to dominate "noobs" right now. The difference in the skill level is what should decide it, not the level. If you are a better skilled player you should be able to beat a level 20 nub no problem. And while yes a level 40 should have an advantage over a level 20 (if that is what the level cap will be) it shouldn't mean that the level 40 can kill the 20 no problem. Plus there will plenty of level 40 "noobs", just because someone reached the level cap doesn't mean that they are more skilled. Just means that they put in alot of time, time=/=talent. Sorry, but no.

Dylananimus · Feb 19, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

It's rather an unfair advantage over people who may not have as much time to play to be honest. It completely takes away the casual ellement of GW :/

If you lvl to a lv 20 cap (or whatever it will be) but still gain some advantage if you put in more hours after that, that would make the game terribly unbalanced I would think. Unless they're going to have PvP like WoW in which you compete at different levels, which means you could be level 20, but when enter PvP only get put up against other people of your 'actual' level...which means you're both on an equal footing.

Playing more hours doesn't make you less of a noob either

MithranArkanere · Feb 19, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41

That would be in GW2.

In PvP there will be no difference, it will be like 'everyone is level 20'.

The difference would exist only in PvE, where there will be level 99 enemies and things like that. So that's ok.

In PvE some 'grind' is allowed since it's roleplaying, and in roleplaying your character may have skills you cannot have, like a guy with IQ 70 playing as a über-suppah-genious mage.

But in PvP it's just 'what you can do vs what others can do'.

The Way Out · Feb 19, 2008, 02:41 PM // 14:41

I hope to someday be a level twenty noob! lol...

I agree, there are too many bad players in the game as is, and that will carry over to the next game. Personally, I enjoy having the current skill/rune placement system determining the worth of the player. I am still amazed at some of the creations people come up with in PvE when they don't play with anyone... like the ever rare warrior/minion-master? Or monk/barrager??? Great builds that carry you on to leetness!!!

Kattar · Feb 19, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Gw = Balance. (or it's supposed to at least)

If you don't want balance, go play something else. The designed the game so it wouldn't be like other games, the names of which I won't mention.

It's really just as simple as that.

*sits back and waits for The Way Out to flame*

The Way Out · Feb 19, 2008, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Why would I flame you, guild wars is "supposed" to be balanced. However, it isn't. People who own all the campaigns have an advantage over someone who has just Prophecies and Factions. Someone who just own's Prophecies misses out on a lot of inscribable weapons, unless they enjoy grinding Elites in ToA (Hard Mode) so they can get them in end chests.

Guildwars also forces the player to rely upon intelligence as opposed to level volume... which translates into an unbalanced game where intelligent people trump dumbasses. Smart people don't die fifty million times to get from point A to point B because they understand time, the enemy AI and aggro, and have common sense.

Guildwars is a very unblanced game in the sense that anet tends to cater to the noob. The player that figures out the uber leetsauce build gets nerfed because the player that just spams three skills can't win. Do you disagree with that?

Kattar · Feb 19, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

No, for once I don't disagree with you at all. That's exactly how I feel about the game. It supposed to be skill > time, but sometimes that isn't the case. As you brought out.

Unfortunately, imho, the game isn't broken enough for this to be fixed. It works ok as it is, so I figure we'll have to wait for GW2 for this system to be perfected.

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Guildwars is a very unblanced game in the sense that anet tends to cater to the noob. The player that figures out the uber leetsauce build gets nerfed because the player that just spams three skills can't win.

I really wish the casual player didn't have to be a noob. Heh.

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 19, 2008, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

I hope to someday be a level twenty noob! lol...

I agree, there are too many bad players in the game as is, and that will carry over to the next game. Personally, I enjoy having the current skill/rune placement system determining the worth of the player. I am still amazed at some of the creations people come up with in PvE when they don't play with anyone... like the ever rare warrior/minion-master? Or monk/barrager??? Great builds that carry you on to leetness!!!

If someone enjoys playing the game but isn't up to some peoples level of play, that makes them a bad player? If they are having fun what does it matter?
You play as you like and let others play as they like and don't put them down for doing so. Leetness is just a bunch of bull.

quickmonty · Feb 19, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

In the almost three years that I have been playing this game I have seen ANET make a lot of changes that cater to the noobs. That is, the game has gotten easier in a lot of aspects. I could list a page and a half of things that I have seen, but I won't

I fear that GW2 is going to continue this trend. So, if they raise the level cap to 40, or 60, or 30000000000 they will also make it so easy to reach that level that there won't be any "pwning of noobs" going on.

Kattar · Feb 19, 2008, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

If someone enjoys playing the game but isn't up to some peoples level of play, that makes them a bad player? If they are having fun what does it matter?
You play as you like and let others play as they like and don't put them down for doing. Leetness is just a bunch of bull.

It's not that, it's a matter of "the noob" acting all awesome and not wanting to take any advice when you're in a pug or whatever. See the builds that Way Out mentioned...

As long as they will accept direction and skill suggestions I don't mind them. I've helped out numerous newbs that actually needed help with things like skills or whatever.

It's the people that act like they know exactly what they're doing when they don't, and don't want anyone to tell them otherwise that gets them kicked. That's the only time that how you play matters.

Taki · Feb 19, 2008, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Sorry, wasn't clear in the OP. I'm talking about the non-instanced PvE side of things.

For pvp the level diffrences will be balanced by everyone being on the same footing once they travel through the mists etc etc

Fril Estelin · Feb 19, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Taki

... since he put in more time? Obviously the higher level player is more devoted, more loyal, and more talented so why would he not deserve to have some special means to show or make use of these facts?

Just to point at the obvious: you're putting on a pedestral the time you've invested in the game, but:

1) this is ridiculous as time means nothing; for example, afkers and "weak" players that would take ages to finish a mission have spent loads of time but do not have a "talent" (to use your words); for some people, the time spent in MMOs is a huge waste as it means absolutely nothing in the real world (that should be everyone's priority, unless you want to live FOR the dream world or we're in the Matrix). No problem with having fun, but taking it too seriouly leads to this kind of ideas and threads.

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2) your fellow GW player may want to put on top of the pedestral other things, such as maxed titles, rarest items or even worse: money! Isn't the player that invests loads of money the most "devoted, loyal" (to use your words)? This is the typical "e-peen" scenario where everyone (and in particular young players) attempts to be the e-king of the GW world one way or another. You're all inferior to us, the rare group of elite players.

I'm sure that the really best players, in the sense of devotion/loyalty/talent are probably enjoying the game as it is. Only arrogant people would want everyone to see where they are and only greedy people would want more. I sincerely hope you're neither of those!

A fellow GW player.

The Way Out · Feb 19, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

If someone enjoys playing the game but isn't up to some peoples level of play, that makes them a bad player? If they are having fun what does it matter?
You play as you like and let others play as they like and don't put them down for doing so. Leetness is just a bunch of bull.

I will try not to flame your comment, because you are also from Massachusetts... hehe.

If you enjoy playing the game and you are not up to my level of play... then isn't that unbalanced? If you are having fun... why does this post bother you?
Also, I play to the utmost of my ability, which means that I excel at the game. Other people can play here and there and reap those kind of bland rewards. Weekend gaming doesn't do it for me. Understand? Also, when I use the word leetness... or leet... I refer to people that understand the game... have the skills without being asked to buy them... know how to use them... know how to use your skills... and know how to complete the game as fast and easy as possible.
An Elite player imho, doesn't spam lfg in a district for four hours. An Elite player doesn't get stuck at Gate of Madness or Napui Quarter and give up on the game. Do you understand?
I don't even call myself leet. However, I am extremely good at the game. Don't get upset with a post I put up claiming the game is unbalanced. It is. Lastly, if you were looking for me to start a flaming war, I won't. I only flame people that start to flame me or troll about looking for attention. They are easy and fun targets. I get them all riled up and laugh when they eventually look dumb. It is a hobby.

Fril Estelin · Feb 19, 2008, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by Katsumi Rikyu

It's not that, it's a matter of "the noob" acting all awesome and not wanting to take any advice when you're in a pug or whatever. See the builds that Way Out mentioned...

As long as they will accept direction and skill suggestions I don't mind them. I've helped out numerous newbs that actually needed help with things like skills or whatever.

It's the people that act like they know exactly what they're doing when they don't, and don't want anyone to tell them otherwise that gets them kicked. That's the only time that how you play matters.

It's sad to see that the distinction between newbies and noobs is fading away in the net world (not sure that's what you thought, but thought I'd mention it).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noob#Nub

We've ALL been newbies without exception, but only noobs should be blamed for their stupidity. Blaming newbies is actually harming the GW community and the spirit of the game (and elitism usually leads to this kind of attitude).

Kattar · Feb 19, 2008, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Yeah, I know what you mean there.

Noob = bad.

Newb = just a new player, not necessarily bad.

That's what I meant anyway.

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 19, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

I will try not to flame your comment, because you are also from Massachusetts... hehe.

If you enjoy playing the game and you are not up to my level of play... then isn't that unbalanced? If you are having fun... why does this post bother you?
Also, I play to the utmost of my ability, which means that I excel at the game. Other people can play here and there and reap those kind of bland rewards. Weekend gaming doesn't do it for me. Understand? Also, when I use the word leetness... or leet... I refer to people that understand the game... have the skills without being asked to buy them... know how to use them... know how to use your skills... and know how to complete the game as fast and easy as possible.
An Elite player imho, doesn't spam lfg in a district for four hours. An Elite player doesn't get stuck at Gate of Madness or Napui Quarter and give up on the game. Do you understand?
I don't even call myself leet. However, I am extremely good at the game. Don't get upset with a post I put up claiming the game is unbalanced. It is. Lastly, if you were looking for me to start a flaming war, I won't. I only flame people that start to flame me or troll about looking for attention. They are easy and fun targets. I get them all riled up and laugh when they eventually look dumb. It is a hobby.

I disagree with you on the point of finishing the game as quickly as possible. I like to play the game at a slow pace, to enjoy the scenery, help those who need, etc. I don't want to beat the game I just want to play it and have fun.

The Way Out · Feb 19, 2008, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

I disagree with you on the point of finishing the game as quickly as possible. I like to play the game at a slow pace, to enjoy the scenery, help those who need, etc. I don't want to beat the game I just want to play it and have fun.

Once you do the whole... wow this is cool thing... you repeat it? That sounds like "Groundhogs Day" with Bill Murray.

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 19, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

Once you do the whole... wow this is cool thing... you repeat it? That sounds like "Groundhogs Day" with Bill Murray.

I just repeat it with a different profession and enjoy a whole different perspective on the game. Mix in a little AB with different characters and I have unlimited fun.