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Taurucis · Feb 21, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

How does it matter that you were just quoting? If the quote wasnt the message you wanted to convey then why quote it?

Because the message I want to convey would take well over a paragraph.

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

I don't think you offended anyone with the quote but you sure made yourself look totally ridiculous and irrational with it.

He's pretty much agreeing with a guy who says that PvEers are stupid and useless, while he's a PvEer himself. He's agreeing that he's stupid and useless. You see the problem?

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

People from BOTH sides pretty much hates the other side. You're getting angry at some PVP'ers for hating PVE yet you're pretty much doing the same thing but in the opposite direction.

They deserve it, they're the ones who cry and get the game balance all screwed up. If not for PvP Mesmers and Paragons wouldn't get hit with the nerf stick that often.

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

This is all pretty damn irrational and silly.

My dislike for PvPers is perfectly rational. 80% of the PvPers that I have met have turned out to be rude, immature, and boastful. Why is it irrational that I don't like them? For the other amount of PvPers I haven't met?

Full Metal X · Feb 21, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

My dislike for PvPers is perfectly rational. 80% of the PvPers that I have met have turned out to be rude, immature, and boastful. Why is it irrational that I don't like them? For the other amount of PvPers I haven't met?

Well I guess that the 99% of PvEers i have met are un open to change and never try anything new (tank and spank SF or Ursan) so I guess i should dislike all of them.

Taurucis · Feb 21, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Yeah, but how do the actions of a bunch of people you never meet affect you in any way?

Yichi · Feb 21, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

wow this is almost as epic as the "soul reaping" or the "How to balance assassins" threads...

Almost.

Creeping Carl · Feb 22, 2008, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Because the message I want to convey would take well over a paragraph.

He's pretty much agreeing with a guy who says that PvEers are stupid and useless, while he's a PvEer himself. He's agreeing that he's stupid and useless. You see the problem?

They deserve it, they're the ones who cry and get the game balance all screwed up. If not for PvP Mesmers and Paragons wouldn't get hit with the nerf stick that often.

My dislike for PvPers is perfectly rational. 80% of the PvPers that I have met have turned out to be rude, immature, and boastful. Why is it irrational that I don't like them? For the other amount of PvPers I haven't met?

I'm mostly a PVE player myself and I have to say if 80% of the PVP players you've met are like that, either you've been hanging out in RA (which is not real PVP and a cesspool) or your bias is showing through and you're antagonizing them in some way. Sorry, but with your hostility being so evident, I think it's the latter.

Yes, there are plenty of rude, immature, egocentric PVP players, but there are just as many in PVE. Some people on either side are acting pretty damn ridiculous with this PVP vs PVE feud.

Taurucis · Feb 22, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

I'm mostly a PVE player myself and I have to say if 80% of the PVP players you've met are like that, either you've been hanging out in RA (which is not real PVP and a cesspool) or your bias is showing through and you're antagonizing them in some way. Sorry, but with your hostility being so evident, I think it's the latter.

Yes, there are plenty of rude, immature, egocentric PVP players, but there are just as many in PVE. Some people on either side are acting pretty damn ridiculous with this PVP vs PVE feud.

Anyone who goes looking for trouble is an idiot in most cases.

I don't actively go looking for rude PvPers. They just seem to appear - whether in Deep or DoA pugs, FoW... 75% of the time I'll get this wolf spamming noob who has no connect of "aggro management" and spits out hate and swearwords faster than a machine gun spits out bullets.

Halmyr · Feb 22, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

In many case's, it does not the majority of a group to make every one look bad.
Pugs for example, are probably a minority of group going in an out every were.
Guilds is were all the nice people are, and they would tend to stick with each other ( I know I stick to my own guild or H&H for almost everything)
So they are less "nice" people to meet.

If your not the smartest, be the loudest, and I think that in this case, The "PvP Elitist" and the "PvE scrubs" are the loudest.

By no mean does that mean that they are the majority of people in GW

Creeping Carl · Feb 22, 2008, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Anyone who goes looking for trouble is an idiot in most cases.

I don't actively go looking for rude PvPers. They just seem to appear - whether in Deep or DoA pugs, FoW... 75% of the time I'll get this wolf spamming noob who has no connect of "aggro management" and spits out hate and swearwords faster than a machine gun spits out bullets.

I don't understand. You bump into these rude people in PVE but somehow they are all PVP players? And if you were going to somehow attribute their bad behaviour due to their love of PVP, wouldnt you say the same thing about PVE? Afterall, these people you're running into ARE in PVE areas....

Taurucis · Feb 22, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

I don't understand. You bump into these rude people in PVE but somehow they are all PVP players? And if you were going to somehow attribute their bad behaviour due to their love of PVP, wouldnt you say the same thing about PVE? Afterall, these people you're running into ARE in PVE areas....

They're usually those naked dancing people saying "STRIPPING FOR CASH" or spam their rank emote who hang about in town all day. They don't actually PvE.

By the way, I found an excellent example of a 12-year old PvP elitist. Note his horrible grammar.

Zahr Dalsk · Feb 22, 2008, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

They're usually those naked dancing people saying "STRIPPING FOR CASH" or spam their rank emote who hang about in town all day. They don't actually PvE.

And I bet they're in Pre-Searing Ascalon or Shing Jea Monastery (though most of the SJM people actually do a lot of PvE and come to SJM to hang out). Using freshly rolled characters.

Taurucis · Feb 22, 2008, 03:50 AM // 03:50

Nope, seen some in less-known outposts like Beacon's Perch, Quarrel Falls... this was like 14 months ago though. Haven't seen them (or even went to those outposts) lately. And they were usually level 20.

Creeping Carl · Feb 22, 2008, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

They're usually those naked dancing people saying "STRIPPING FOR CASH" or spam their rank emote who hang about in town all day. They don't actually PvE.

By the way, I found an excellent example of a 12-year old PvP elitist. Note his horrible grammar.

And wouldnt their behaviour be because of their age and lack of maturity rather than because they play PVP?

It just seems you're irrationally biased against PVP players, which I can sort of understand if enough 12 year olds scream "u sux, go back to PVE" enough times. But my point that I've been trying to get across this whole time was that you're turning into as much as a PVE "elitist' as the PVP 'elitists' that you hate so much.

Taurucis · Feb 22, 2008, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

And wouldnt their behaviour be because of their age and lack of maturity rather than because they play PVP?

It just seems you're irrationally biased against PVP players, which I can sort of understand if enough 12 year olds scream "u sux, go back to PVE" enough times. But my point that I've been trying to get across this whole time was that you're turning into as much as a PVE "elitist' as the PVP 'elitists' that you hate so much.

Maybe. I don't know. Neither do I care to know. He seems to be fresh off Runescape, and those are usually the kids I try to avoid. But from his actions, he's probably one of those wolf spamming jackasses.

Since when did I say anything like "PvEers are better than all you PvPers" ? All I said was that PvE people tend to be less rude and uptight than PvPers. I never knew making an observation based on your experiences was considered elitism.

DreamRunner · Feb 22, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I never knew making an observation based on your experiences was considered elitism.

Really? I didn't either. So if I go to RA and see a w\mo with mending, and I know that this player will be crap and would have bad skills. What are the chances that I would be call a PvP elitist? I would say HIGH.

But my observation and experience with w\mo's, who have mending are most likely crap players in general and also do have bad skills. So, I guess it goes well with your theory.

Snow Bunny · Feb 22, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

All I said was that PvE people tend to be less rude and uptight than PvPers. I never knew making an observation based on your experiences was considered elitism.

try and pug DoA without Ursan.

Taurucis · Feb 22, 2008, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Really? I didn't either. So if I go to RA and see a w\mo with mending, and I know that this player will be crap and would have bad skills. What are the chances that I would be call a PvP elitist? I would say HIGH.

But my observation and experience with w\mo's, who have mending are most likely crap players in general and also do have bad skills. So, I guess it goes well with your theory.

I wouldn't jump to a conclusion based on what I see. I know mending is horrible on anything except for farming/55'ing, but there's many different possibilities as why he's running mending on a warrior. Maybe it's for kicks, maybe he's bad at warrior... since I don't know him well, and probably never will, I'll just let it slide.

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

try and pug DoA without Ursan.

I can pug DoA without Ursan, just let me get my monk there.

Bryant Again · Feb 22, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by Full Metal X

Well I guess that the 99% of PvEers i have met are un open to change and never try anything new (tank and spank SF or Ursan) so I guess i should dislike all of them.

Read between these lines, guys, and you have a good message.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I can pug DoA without Ursan, just let me get my monk there.

I hope you understand his point, though?

Taurucis · Feb 22, 2008, 11:04 PM // 23:04

He told me to try and PuG DoA without having Ursan on my bar. Getting a DoA PuG on a monk, where I would be expected to have a healing build, was not out of the question.

Snow Bunny · Feb 22, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Read between these lines, guys, and you have a good message.

I hope you understand his point, though?

He didn't, but that's ok.

Taurucis, I meant that PvE'ers are equally elitist, they just have to manifest it in different ways because your 'elite' pve'er is in no way shape or form as knowledageble/good at the game as an elite PvPer.

It's simple fact.

Taurucis · Feb 22, 2008, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Yeah, but at least PvE teams don't shut out new players. If you're 8/8 with Ursan on your bar, then you can just join. And at best, you can just do what the majority of your team does, listen to what the leader says, and you'll squeak by.

With PvP, you're stuck in an endless loop. You need to win to get fame. You need fame to get a good team. You need a good team to win. And around you go again.